embarrassing muppets on Paddy's Day

Branoic

So is it only me, or is any one else embarrassed/disgusted by muppets who insist in this age on strolling down the street in groups yelling the "Fields of Athenry (Sinn Fein!! IRA!!)" at the top of their lungs? We're not talking drink fuelled silliness either. This was at about 10AM on the Quays, and another group a little later at Pearse Station. Strangely enough both groups consisted entirely of girls. Dublin really is an international city now, and I cringe at what image this gives us on our national holiday, when tens of thousands of foreign people (a sizeable number British) come over to take part in the festivities.

WhiteWashMan

its usually immaturity and\or ill education.

they'll grow out of it.

angelofdeath

just had a drunk guy come in, use a computer for 4 minutes and then on his way out the door asked me how to use it, turn the handle and push it..

StupidLikeAFox

hmm, i thought this thread was gonna tell me how to embarrass muppets on paddys day

Personnally i dont see why people are so offended by them, theyre the muppet, not you

nlgbbbblth

Branoic wrote:

So is it only me, or is any one else embarrassed/disgusted by muppets who insist in this age on strolling down the street in groups yelling the "Fields of Athenry (Sinn Fein!! IRA!!)" at the top of their lungs? We're not talking drink fuelled silliness either. This was at about 10AM on the Quays, and another group a little later at Pearse Station. Strangely enough both groups consisted entirely of girls. Dublin really is an international city now, and I cringe at what image this gives us on our national holiday, when tens of thousands of foreign people (a sizeable number British) come over to take part in the festivities.

were these people wearing Celtic shirts?

If they were truly Irish they would have a Shamrock Rovers, Derry City or Shelbourne / other Irish club shirt.

Ireland is made up of 32 counties. Not 32 counties plus Glasgow

losers

Guy:Incognito

who mentioned anything bout football jerseys?

Mimikyu

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nlgbbbblth

Stekelly wrote:

who mentioned anything bout football jerseys?

I did.

ferdi

touche

Pigman II

Solitaryman666 wrote:

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I think I've worked out the 'Celtic Jersey' phenomenon.

If you buy the Celtic jersey you get to wear it in the local pub 50+ times per year while you 'support' 'your' team but if you buy the Ireland one you only get to wear it 10-ish times per yer while perched on your favourite barstool. Add to this that it seems acceptable to wear Celtic for Ireland matches but not vice-versa then it makes little sense to these unfortunates to buy anything else.

Megatron

The whole footy jersey thing always cracks me up.

There is this d00d who walks his dog in town , they dog wears a Celtic jersey and so does he. It's really stupid imo ( and yes he is Irish).

Myself i have about 20 jerseys , most from the football team i support ( 1 for each year i've supported them) i think 3 Ireland tops, 2 AC Milan Tops and 1 newcastle top ( with Tino on the back, yes WWman i still have it).

If i want to feel irish and show off i'm irish i let my accent do that.

Nuttzz

what is worse than the celtic jerseys are the GAA's compromise rules jersey which looks like it was designed by a blind 7 year old on speed.

A Dub in Glasgo

nlgbbbblth wrote:

were these people wearing Celtic shirts?

If they were truly Irish they would have a Shamrock Rovers, Derry City or Shelbourne / other Irish club shirt.

Ireland is made up of 32 counties. Not 32 counties plus Glasgow

losers

Yeah isn't Ireland just famous for the natives supporting their local football team. All those English football jerseys must all those English guys taking holidays in Dublin!

Actually, Lanarkshire is the 33rd county of Ireland

Terry

i'm embarassed all year round by people wearing foreign football shirts.
but that's just me.

Kernel

julep wrote:

i'm embarassed all year round by people wearing foreign football shirts.
but that's just me.

Nothing wrong with following the fortunes of a foreign sporting team, if your own ones are not up to scratch. The league of Ireland still isn't a patch on the premiership, so it's normal that most people will have been more exposed to the English teams.

What if someone was wearing an american football t-shirt, or a foreign rugby jersey? Double standards?

Miguel_Sanchez

I'm getting me a full upper body Celtic jersey tattoo. That way when it gets really hot in the summer I can take off my Celtic jersey and still show that I'm a blinkered wannabe republican who hates the British.

Class or wha?

A Dub in Glasgo

If you want to do that, that is your choice. If you want to slag yourself for that, again that his your choice. You may look like a bit of a prat though

DrIndy

Megatron wrote:

The whole footy jersey thing always cracks me up.

There is this d00d who walks his dog in town , they dog wears a Celtic jersey and so does he. It's really stupid imo ( and yes he is Irish).

Thats Paul and he's sound - he has two alaskan wolves as pets and he used to rescue abused dogs.

He's officially the biggest Celtic fan in Ireland and drives a car emblazoned with Celtic Logos.......

nlgbbbblth

DrIndy wrote:

Thats Paul and he's sound - he has two alaskan wolves as pets and he used to rescue abused dogs.

He's officially the biggest Celtic fan in Ireland and drives a car emblazoned with Celtic Logos.......

wonder what he thinks of Shamrock Rovers fans?

Orange bastards for not supporting Celtic?

Thorbar

I can never understand this anti-celtic sentiment that's so strong on boards. Also it almost always is put forward by someone with a superiority complex.


How's wearing a celtic jersey any different then wearing and English or European team's jersey.

A Dub in Glasgo

Thorbar wrote:

I can never understand this anti-celtic sentiment that's so strong on boards. Also it almost always is put forward by someone with a superiority complex.

or guys with huge chips on both shoulders

nlgbbbblth

Kernel wrote:

Nothing wrong with following the fortunes of a foreign sporting team, if your own ones are not up to scratch. The league of Ireland still isn't a patch on the premiership, so it's normal that most people will have been more exposed to the English teams.

It's acceptable to follow an English/Scottish football team
However to hurl abuse at same players as they play for their country (most particularly England) is the height of hypocrisy.

Irish people need to work out whether they love or hate the English. At the moment there's a lot of confused people out there.

nlgbbbblth

Thorbar wrote:

I can never understand this anti-celtic sentiment that's so strong on boards. Also it almost always is put forward by someone with a superiority complex.

the reason for this is that Celtic have picked up a huge amount of moronic Irish supporters in the last few years. Primarily since the Rangers ten in a row bid was halted.

booing (ex) Rangers players at Lansdowne Road made them look like bigots.

People who support them for all the wrong reasons
There seems to be a viewpoint with many of them that supporting the club is a necessary badge of nationalism and by doing so they are enhancing their Irishness. To do so under the misguided banner of what they deem to republicanism / appropriate 'republican behaviour' is very wrong.

It's also ironic. If they want to be true republicans they should support an Irish club not a British one.

Pigman II

I saw Brendan Kilkenny walking around town once in a Celtic jersey. That should be enough reason for anyone not to wear one.

Pighead

Hey pigman 11,are we related,is your mother Miss Piggy Pig Pig from the glens of lovely leitrim?
If so word up my piggy Cousin!

Kernel

nlgbbbblth wrote:

It's acceptable to follow an English/Scottish football team
However to hurl abuse at same players as they play for their country (most particularly England) is the height of hypocrisy.

Irish people need to work out whether they love or hate the English. At the moment there's a lot of confused people out there.

I take your point about people hurling abuse.. I don't agree with that. However, likewise, you can like an English sporting club and not like the government or even the nation of England. I have no problem with England btw, I am just pointing out that one would judge a country on their policies and attitudes rather than a sporting team, (and wouldn't decide to hate England because they hated Chelsea FC) and if you decided you hated English people, it would not prevent you from, for example, liking Manchester United or Chelsea... since most of their players are from foreign countries anyway.

My main point in this whole thing, is that someone said earlier that they are embarassed by people in Ireland wearing foreign football jerseys. I think he should loosen up.

The problem with the Celtic football club, is that they have a noticeable proportion of scumbaggish/thuggish/neo republican following of bigot fans, in much the same way that Rangers have. That's why people have problems with the Celtic fans/jerseys, and make such wild generalisations.

Of course, they should not judge people on so superficial a thing - unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that they will.

Pighead

Right.....
Would this be the same kernel that once accused all people hailing from the countryside as being a gang of "sheep shagging potato munchers"
Oh it is the same kernel,hmmmm pretty drastic change in attitudes there Mr high and mighty.
Q.E.D,Q.E.D

Chucky the tree

Thorbar wrote:

How's wearing a celtic jersey any different then wearing and English or European team's jersey.

its not. But if i went to the next irish match in my liverpool jersey i would be doing well to survive without a kicking. The thing is, its would be the lads in the wearing the Celtic jerseys at the match giving me abuse probaly.

i have no problem with people wearing Celtic jersey, just dont wear the ****n things as a symbol of supporting Ireland, cos you will look like a muppet.

Kernel

Pighead wrote:

Right.....
Would this be the same kernel that once accused all people hailing from the countryside as being a gang of "sheep shagging potato munchers"
Oh it is the same kernel,hmmmm pretty drastic change in attitudes there Mr high and mighty.
Q.E.D,Q.E.D

What?!? When did I say that...??? Stop trolling and going off topic! :cool:

Pighead

Trolling?this from the man who complains we're losing our irishness!Don't remember being taught that at school.Stop speaking like an american and admit to yourself you hate culchies
PS In kernels world a culchie is defined as anybody outside his beloved South Dublin

Thorbar

nlgbbbblth wrote:

the reason for this is that Celtic have picked up a huge amount of moronic Irish supporters in the last few years. Primarily since the Rangers ten in a row bid was halted.

booing (ex) Rangers players at Lansdowne Road made them look like bigots.

People who support them for all the wrong reasons
There seems to be a viewpoint with many of them that supporting the club is a necessary badge of nationalism and by doing so they are enhancing their Irishness. To do so under the misguided banner of what they deem to republicanism / appropriate 'republican behaviour' is very wrong.

It's also ironic. If they want to be true republicans they should support an Irish club not a British one.

So you assume that everyone who wears a celtic jersey does so because they think it makes them more Irish? You're basis this massive generalisation on what exactly? And do you think all the Irish Americas who support the Boston Celts are moronic as well?

Nala

DrIndy wrote:

Thats Paul and he's sound - he has two alaskan wolves as pets and he used to rescue abused dogs.

He's officially the biggest Celtic fan in Ireland and drives a car emblazoned with Celtic Logos.......

I've met him! I've a couple of pictures of the dogs. They're beautiful.

pwd

Celtic and Rangers are associated strongly with sectarianism.
Wearing Celtic jersey, or getting a Celtic tattoo, is similar to an British man getting a union jack vest or tattoo. Most patriotic British men wouldn't consider the idea because the Union Jack has become a symbol of Facism. Celtic jerseys have become a symbol of support for the IRA. There is no difference in my mind between a skinhead in a Union Jack vest and a scumbag in a Celtic jersey.
You may as well argue that the swastika is a symbol of fertility tbh.

nlgbbbblth

nlgbbbblth wrote:

There seems to be a viewpoint with many of them that supporting the club is a necessary badge of nationalism and by doing so they are enhancing their Irishness

Thorbar wrote:

So you assume that everyone who wears a celtic jersey does so because they think it makes them more Irish? You're basis this massive generalisation on what exactly?

Not everyone - just many of them as I said above

Canis Lupus

I think it's just sad that people take sport and turn it into more than it is. The jersey a person wears should not have any influence on what people think of him.... Can't say I've ever seen someone in a [insert soccer team here] jersey and thought "what a wanker".

A Dub in Glasgo

pwd wrote:

Celtic and Rangers are associated strongly with sectarianism.

Celtic? Really? Give me some examples?

Wearing Celtic jersey, or getting a Celtic tattoo, is similar to an British man getting a union jack vest or tattoo.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about if you believe that

Celtic jerseys have become a symbol of support for the IRA.

In your eyes? or has there been some study done?

There is no difference in my mind between a skinhead in a Union Jack vest and a scumbag in a Celtic jersey.

What about a scumbag who is not wearing a Celtic jersey? Do you call all people who wear Celtic jersys scumbags? If not, how do you differentiate?

A Dub in Glasgo

nlgbbbblth wrote:

Not everyone - just many of them as I said above

Many of them in the world? or many of them in your study? or many of them who you know? or many of them you heard from your uncles sisters aunt?

Slutmonkey57b

Whaddya know, celtic supporter goes rabid at the suggestion that a lot of celtic supporters might be scumbags, or ira supporters, or scumbags.

I don't think it's a difficult stretch to assume that football fans are scumbags. They have riot police at football matches for a reason you know. They don't have riot police on horses at cricket matches. I suggest the reason for that is that cricket fans are mostly quiet, middle-aged people with no interest in violence, while football fans are scumbags who shout abuse and attack people for no good reason. You don't hear rival sets of cricket fans shouting "you're going home in a ****ing ambulance" at each other.

For proof, see tv footage of any major football match from about 1975 on anywhere in europe.

Chucky the tree

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Whaddya know, celtic supporter goes rabid at the suggestion that a lot of celtic supporters might be scumbags, or ira supporters, or scumbags.

I don't think it's a difficult stretch to assume that football fans are scumbags. They have riot police at football matches for a reason you know. They don't have riot police on horses at cricket matches. I suggest the reason for that is that cricket fans are mostly quiet, middle-aged people with no interest in violence, while football fans are scumbags who shout abuse and attack people for no good reason. You don't hear rival sets of cricket fans shouting "you're going home in a ****ing ambulance" at each other.

For proof, see tv footage of any major football match from about 1975 on anywhere in europe.

i guess i am a scumbag so.

i think i will rob someone tomorrow to celebrate.

billy the squid

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Celtic? Really? Give me some examples?'

here you go
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/scotlandssecretshame.txt

above is the transcript of this programme
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4284023.stm

Lord Nikon

What has any of this got to do with people singing "Fields of Athenry"?

pwd

google for celtic football and ira (17,800 results)

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%2Bceltic+%2Bira+%2Bfootball&meta=

google for celtic soccer ira (6,780 results)

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%2Bceltic+%2Bira+%2Bsoccer&meta=

bizarre huh? How did I end up thinking that shouting IRA chants and slogans,calling people "british *****", and participating in sectarian violence makes people bigoted scumbags?
There was a march commemorating that scumbag Bobby Sands in Dublin a few years ago. About half of these scumbags publicly displaying their support for the IRA were wearing Celtic jerseys, as I recall.
Why would you want to support a football club whise fans shout IRA slogans and chants at their matches and whcih is so strongly associated with sectarianism unless you sympathised with these ideals? You would not. In the same way a British man would not wear a uniion jack vest because he would not want to be considered a Fascist. For this reason, Celtic jersey = scumbag. No question.
You go to the next Celtic match wearing a Rangers jersey and singing "rule britannia and God save the queen. Stand in the Celtic supporters section. See what happens you.

jesus_thats_gre

billy the squid wrote:

here you go
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/scotlandssecretshame.txt

above is the transcript of this programme
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4284023.stm[/QUOTE]

Some nice quotes

"DEVINE: I remember visibly the Irish Ambassador to the UK attending its first old firm match. He thought he was at an international game because on the one side of the park the Irish tricolour, the Republic of Ireland; on the other side, the red hand of Ulster. It was almost, if you like, a metaphor for the fact that Irish problems had been transferred onto Scottish soil."


"SHAUN McGRANAGHAN
Paramedic
People who don’t understand it, down South it's probably like if you had an all black team and an all white team, and the all black team were always supported by blacks, and all white team were always supported by whites and that's the only way you could really explain it, where there was that type of violence out in the street, that's what it's like up here, so it's not colour of skin, it's the religion."



It's amazing that Celtic fans in this country will try to deny what is actually the truth..

pat kenny

Wow that’s the fastest I have seen a thread go off topic in a while. Was it the third post?
It started with drunken people singing the fields of Athenry.
I see this everywhere especially at weddings (I used to work at plenty) and when about 2am comes all the people who looked nice and respectable earlier in the day show themselves to be the true lowbrow idiots that they are.
I dont think its really pro IRA sentiment rather just closing time republicanism of stupid people.

growler

pwd wrote:

Most patriotic British men wouldn't consider the idea because the Union Jack has become a symbol of Facism. .

you learn something everyday :rolleyes:


QUOTE=Slutmonkey57b]while football fans are scumbags .[/QUOTE]

and now I learn I am a scumbag too

QUOTE=pwd]Celtic jersey = scumbag. No question..[/QUOTE]

pwd = prone to sweeping generalisations without knowing what he's on about, no question.

A Dub in Glasgo

billy the squid wrote:

here you go
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/scotlandssecretshame.txt

above is the transcript of this programme
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4284023.stm

I don't have the inclination to go through that discussion again

see Thread which discussed the sensationalist Panorama programme on boards

A Dub in Glasgo

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Whaddya know, celtic supporter goes rabid at the suggestion that a lot of celtic supporters might be scumbags, or ira supporters, or scumbags.

If asking for some examples is going rabid in your book, well done

I don't think it's a difficult stretch to assume that football fans are scumbags.

substitute people for football fans

They have riot police at football matches for a reason you know.

Just goes to show hw many football matches you have been to. Are you talking all football games? some football games? all Celtic games?

They don't have riot police on horses at cricket matches. I suggest the reason for that is that cricket fans are mostly quiet, middle-aged people with no interest in violence, while football fans are scumbags who shout abuse and attack people for no good reason. You don't hear rival sets of cricket fans shouting "you're going home in a ****ing ambulance" at each other.

So you have been to more criket matches than football matches... interesting

For proof, see tv footage of any major football match from about 1975 on anywhere in europe.

That hardly constitutes proof for your wild generalisations

A Dub in Glasgo

neuromancer wrote:

What has any of this got to do with people singing "Fields of Athenry"?

Nothing... some bright spark thought it would be fun to equate thuggish behaviour with Celtic fans and then it degenerated to football fans apparantly

A Dub in Glasgo

pwd wrote:

google for celtic football and ira (17,800 results)

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%2Bceltic+%2Bira+%2Bfootball&meta=

google for celtic soccer ira (6,780 results)

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%2Bceltic+%2Bira+%2Bsoccer&meta=

bizarre huh? How did I end up thinking that shouting IRA chants and slogans,calling people "british *****", and participating in sectarian violence makes people bigoted scumbags?
There was a march commemorating that scumbag Bobby Sands in Dublin a few years ago. About half of these scumbags publicly displaying their support for the IRA were wearing Celtic jerseys, as I recall.
Why would you want to support a football club whise fans shout IRA slogans and chants at their matches and whcih is so strongly associated with sectarianism unless you sympathised with these ideals? You would not. In the same way a British man would not wear a uniion jack vest because he would not want to be considered a Fascist. For this reason, Celtic jersey = scumbag. No question.
You go to the next Celtic match wearing a Rangers jersey and singing "rule britannia and God save the queen. Stand in the Celtic supporters section. See what happens you.

Again, I don't see any evidence to back up your assertion that Celtic fans are sectarian. You are just using other google. Celtic fans sometimes sing about Irish independence and the 1916 Rising... Is this sectarian and scummy? Celtic fans sometimes sing the Irish national anthem... Is this sectarian and scummy?

Go to the next Man United game wearing a Leeds jersey and sing the Munich song - lets see what happens. Only an idiot would contemplate doing such a thing.

A Dub in Glasgo

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

It's amazing that Celtic fans in this country will try to deny what is actually the truth..

And what is the truth, in your opinion?

Kernel

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

I don't think it's a difficult stretch to assume that football fans are scumbags. They have riot police at football matches for a reason you know. They don't have riot police on horses at cricket matches. I suggest the reason for that is that cricket fans are mostly quiet, middle-aged people with no interest in violence, while football fans are scumbags who shout abuse and attack people for no good reason. You don't hear rival sets of cricket fans shouting "you're going home in a ****ing ambulance" at each other.

Whoa there! You're making a huge and unfounded leap of logic there to suggest that people who like football are scumbags. I (and many of my friends) like football, and we sure aren't scumbags by any stretch of the imagination. If you have 90,000 people at the Nou Camp, then of course you will need police, you won't get 90,000 at a cricket match now will you? Plus, cricket is (IMO) not as passionate or fast paced as football, where the tides of fortune can change in a minute. Seriously, even you must admit that saying all football fans are scumbags is totally wrong????

Likewise, whereas I can understand that Celtic have gotten a lot of chav supporters in Dublin (and I've mentioned this earlier), it is also unfair to brand all Celtic fans... think about it, it's just dumb to say that everyone is xxxxx because they like xxxxxx. Generalisations... Taken to the logical conclusion, if you stretch that rationale out far enough, you can say everyone in Dublin is a scumbag.. and that just isn't true now, is it?

Also, calling Bobby Sands a scumbag is a little out of order. The times were different then pwd, and the man died on hunger strike for his political stance on this country.. which whether right or wrong in your book, should earn him respect.