Some info u might like to know next time u meet an on-street Concern fundraiser

smiaras

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tk123

O-M-bloody-G!!!! I can't believe it!! Not that I every give them monies but I thought they were volunteers/do-gooders!!

Chad ghostal

ispcc do the same thing, pay the street people and the pub goers,
they dont pay as well as far as i can see, they only pay a percentage of what you collect..
id imagine alot if not all charities do that.

D!ve^Bomb!

this isn't exactly a secret.. it's a job ffs. so what if they get paid.. no one else seems to do it so what the **** is the problem

smiaras

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alleepally

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

this isn't exactly a secret.. it's a job ffs. so what if they get paid.. no one else seems to do it so what the **** is the problem

I agree with that. Unfortunately I think the constant street presence could have (or may be having) a negative effect on the charity involved. I rang Concern once to ask about the street charity collections and they said it's having a positive net effect on their charity income so if it saves lives I guess what's the problem. They are people doing a job like the rest of us. That job helps save a life in the developing countries. I'm quite sure that a lot of them doing it are actually motivated to do it because of the charity element. If it means diverting a few inches while walking on the street rushing to buy an overpriced sandwich for lunch or what not, so be it. Resolve to donate the cost of an overpriced sandwich to charity or contribute a fiver a month by direct debit.

fade2black

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

this isn't exactly a secret.. it's a job ffs. so what if they get paid.. no one else seems to do it so what the **** is the problem

The problem is the people on the street like to pretend that they're saving the world.

D!ve^Bomb!

fade2black wrote:

The problem is the people on the street like to pretend that they're saving the world.

since when? do you talk to them everyday and have conversations at length? no? didn't think so

tba

Im sorry but the concept that they guilt you into giving them money is utter rubbish. They are payed a wage which is not commision based and therefore has no impact on their attitude to you and your trifftyness.

When being trained they are told to NEVER move from the spot they are in, this make them feel less threatning to pedestrians. Sure if they dont get sales they will be fired but I can assure you that over aggressive charity workers never get people to buy their wares either. Take those people who harass you down the street for five minutes demanding you give them money as an example.

And the best way to not feel guilty about passing them by is to actually get a standing order from them and forfeit the seven euro a month. The charity gets its money, the individual on the street keeps their job and you get to feel smug, everyones happy.

eth0_

I absolutely hate these people. They harrass people in the street, probably have f*ck all interest in the charity they're working for, i'd almost go so far as to call them scum.

As for them being told not to move from the spot they're in, that's rubbish. On several occassions I have been followed down the street by these people, despite my having made no eye contact, and in another case saying "I'm not interested".

I think most people would agree these people are incredibly irritating when you're trying to make your way down the street! They should be banned from the streets.

tba

eth0_ wrote:

[They]probably have f*ck all interest in the charity they're working for, i'd almost go so far as to call them scum.

I have a friend who works for them and is going to India to assist tsunami victims of her own accord and actually had to put in major personal effort to get into the country as a foregin worker. Scum she is not.

eth0_ wrote:

As for them being told not to move from the spot they're in, that's rubbish. On several occassions I have been followed down the street by these people, despite my having made no eye contact, and in another case saying "I'm not interested".

Concern? I dont think so argue all you want but in all my years I have never been pursued by a concern charity worker down the street ever and was quite surprised until my friend informed my of their policy.

Doper Than U

Y'all might want to see this thread : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=222645&highlight=charity

fade2black

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

since when? do you talk to them everyday and have conversations at length? no? didn't think so

Actually cocky boy I have talked to many of them on numerous occasions. Although I really shouldn't have bothered posting because there are far too many people like you on boards. If the OP was speaking in favour of Concern's people on the street you'd come out and abuse them. If he said it was sunny outside, you'd say it was pissing. Are you really that bloody bored?

alleepally

eth0_ wrote:

I absolutely hate these people. They harrass people in the street, probably have f*ck all interest in the charity they're working for, i'd almost go so far as to call them scum.

As for them being told not to move from the spot they're in, that's rubbish. On several occassions I have been followed down the street by these people, despite my having made no eye contact, and in another case saying "I'm not interested".

I think most people would agree these people are incredibly irritating when you're trying to make your way down the street! They should be banned from the streets.

I too pass many of them during the day and as they are human too I just "Sorry, I already contribute to a charity by direct debit" (which I do - Concern as it happens).

So a solution might be to use the above line even if it's not true so that your distress is lessened. Given that you can almost go as far as calling people making a living "scum", telling a little white lie like that will not bother you at all PLUS it might make the day easier for the people on the street who could probably find something nice and cosey indoors to work at and not have to feel like sh!t at the end of the day having to see the worst of human nature scowling by!

D!ve^Bomb!

fade2black wrote:

Actually cocky boy I have talked to many of them on numerous occasions. Although I really shouldn't have bothered posting because there are far too many people like you on boards. If the OP was speaking in favour of Concern's people on the street you'd come out and abuse them. If he said it was sunny outside, you'd say it was pissing. Are you really that bloody bored?

you're right, you shouldn't have posted

bounty

worse than beggers

remember people, if you where conned into signing one of their forms, just phone your bank now to cancel it

My two cent:

I dislike these concern people for the simple reason that when people are out in force FOR FREE FOR CHARITY (daffodil day for example), people will be more inclined to walk right by them. The money people give in direct debits or whatever may help some people, but I'd much prefer my money to go straight into a charity rather then pay some girl/guy money to harass people.

D!ve^Bomb!

Myth wrote:

My two cent:

I dislike these concern people for the simple reason that when people are out in force FOR FREE FOR CHARITY (daffodil day for example), people will be more inclined to walk right by them. The money people give in direct debits or whatever may help some people, but I'd much prefer my money to go straight into a charity rather then pay some girl/guy money to harass people.

do you gob****es not understand at all?? if these people weren't paid to do the job, then no one would do it ffs!!.. comprende????? even if only half of what you contribute goes the the charity, it's better than nothing.

damnyanks

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

do you gob****es not understand at all?? if these people weren't paid to do the job, then no one would do it ffs!!.. comprende????? even if only half of what you contribute goes the the charity, it's better than nothing.

But people already do it for free... comprende?

D!ve^Bomb!

damnyanks wrote:

But people already do it for free... comprende?

yes, a very small minority compared to those that don't.. comprende?

Static M.e.

They can be quite annoying, I get hit by them at least twice a day every day allmost, I walk the all through the city to and from work.

I thought they were doing it for free to be honest because they belevied in the charity, and they say to me constantly "I really beleive in this, you can really make a differance" etc. While I suppose I dont really mind the fact they are getting paid, but they shouldn't make you feel so guilty for not signing up every time, I was told the last day that I dont give enough and what kind of person was etc, when I explained to one of these charity people that I wasnt going to sign up because I am already signed up to 3 others (True too, homeless, worldvision and lifeboats), he simply said that I still wasn't doing enough, at the time I just let it go because I thought he was just an over zealous and because he eas doing it for free etc it wasnt worth my time to argue with him.

I think that unless you are being hassled by these people every day you REALLY dont know how bad it is, they take over a whole street so you have to run the gauntlet and make some sort of contact with one of them, that is harassment.

They have really but me off their different charitys the only one I would actively go out of my way to support is those Lifeboat guys, those guys simply rock in my books and need all the cash they can get. (And no I dont work for them or anything, just a fan)

DapperGent

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

The white noise of adolescence attempting to validate itself through being an asshole on the internet.

[Penny-Arcade]Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total fúckwad[/Penny Arcade]

Normal person might be a bit of a stretch though.

I am MAN

Just pretend your on the phone when you go by them, it works for me all the time

D!ve^Bomb!

DapperGent wrote:

[Penny-Arcade]Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total fúckwad[/Penny Arcade]

Normal person might be a bit of a stretch though.

you're just jealous;)

StupidLikeAFox

Where do ya go to get a job with these guys?

EDIT: nevermind, it was in the first post, move along

tk123

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

do you gob****es not understand at all?? if these people weren't paid to do the job, then no one would do it ffs!!.. comprende????? even if only half of what you contribute goes the the charity, it's better than nothing.

I don't agree at all why should I give my money to some arrogant twat in town knowing only a percentage is going to the charity when I can give it to an organisation like the Red Cross or Goal that gives 100% of all donations to the charity??

mycroft

tk123 wrote:

I don't agree at all why should I give my money to some arrogant twat in town knowing only a percentage is going to the charity when I can give it to an organisation like the Red Cross or Goal that gives 100% of all donations to the charity??

1. People in Ireland want to make a difference.

2. People who make a difference still need basic essentially, like y'know food, n clothes and a roof over their head.

My girlfriend works for a charity (no she's not a chugger) and loves working for them but in the end of day needs to earn a crust. She gets paid.

Now you may disagree with these guys getting paid. But spending 8 hours a day (and considering the weather we've had the last week who'd want to). They also make, proportional, a serious amount of revenue for a charity.

Consider those flower sellers on daffodil day, they make a once of source of cash for the charity, the chuggers create a constant cash flow for a charity, so yes they get paid, but in terms of what they generate it's money well spent by a charity.

If you think that this is wrong and waste of space, then you probably weren't going to give money in the first place. If you don't and you understand that because they're out there and generating revenue for a good cause then give them the time of day

Nermal

They all wear bright clothing that makes it pretty obvious what charity they are from. So if I want to donate to this charity, I will go up and ask one of them. There is no need for them to talk to me. So when they do, I feel like getting stabby.

Our man in Havana

Do the chuggers need a licence to collect money or are they exempt as they only collect bank account details?

Orla1

Reciently my friend and I raised over €6,000 for concern.

That was before we realised that the majority of that money will go to people working within the orgasnisation and NOT to the people in countries that need it.
Now we've got a LOT of money lyin around and need to find a worthwhile charity to give it to... one where all of the money will go to famine or war victims... any ideas??

(we don't want to give it to the Tsnuami victims, they have recieved more money because of that one off event than the pepole who are suffering war or famine everyday!!)

grimloch

i know its for a good cause but i can sympathise with a few people here

a while back my summer job involved a fair bit of walking around town and the amount of them i had to dodge and evade was unbelievable, i was 16 at the time and i didnt look older but every single one of them hassled me, at one stage when i walked out the door in work there was one on each side of me thus id have to blow off one on the way out and again when i came back 20 minutes later

breadmonkey

Isn't Concern riddled with internal corruption and general incompetence?

breadmonkey

By the way, I'd take legions of Concern workers over just one of those ****in Hanley Centre bastards. I'm gonna deck the next one of them that hassles me!

impr0v

Charity is now the developed world's third largest employer. If it gets any bigger the labour involved will be shipped off to a third world country at which point the percentage of the contributions which actually make it to a third world country, rather than into the pocket of a first world professional guilt tripper or street hassler, will rise above 30% for the first time.

Direct Debit request lines are also regularly tested on animals.

SantaHoe

tba wrote:

eth0_ wrote:

As for them being told not to move from the spot they're in, that's rubbish. On several occassions I have been followed down the street by these people, despite my having made no eye contact, and in another case saying "I'm not interested".

Concern? I dont think so argue all you want but in all my years I have never been pursued by a concern charity worker down the street ever and was quite surprised until my friend informed my of their policy.

Myself and a friend were followed half way down Henry Street by some collector bird from Concern... I remember it was concern because I was making a joke afterwards going "hey, we should have said 'I couldn't be less concerned about your charity dear', haha boom boom etc."
Argue all you want, but I remeber it clearly... (had a half-bottle of Volvic in my coat pocket as I recall).

I'm surprised to hear how judgmental some of these charity collectors are, "ooh ooh you're not doing enough"... shít, I'd ask for my money back if someone said that to me, cheeky bastards.
Maybe I'll stick a 10cent coin in their box and see what they say
Actually that's a idea, to the people who feel harassed by these collectors, just carry around a load of 1cent coins, only root around in your pocket for ages before you pull it out... they'll probably remember your face after that

Our man in Havana

Do chuggers actually collect money or is it a strictly a Direct Debit details gathering operation only?

I would like to check out the legality of chugging.

tk123

mycroft wrote:

1. People in Ireland want to make a difference.

2. People who make a difference still need basic essentially, like y'know food, n clothes and a roof over their head.

My girlfriend works for a charity (no she's not a chugger) and loves working for them but in the end of day needs to earn a crust. She gets paid.

Now you may disagree with these guys getting paid. But spending 8 hours a day (and considering the weather we've had the last week who'd want to). They also make, proportional, a serious amount of revenue for a charity.

Consider those flower sellers on daffodil day, they make a once of source of cash for the charity, the chuggers create a constant cash flow for a charity, so yes they get paid, but in terms of what they generate it's money well spent by a charity.

If you think that this is wrong and waste of space, then you probably weren't going to give money in the first place. If you don't and you understand that because they're out there and generating revenue for a good cause then give them the time of day

I was disagreeing with the comment that even if only half of donations go to the charity then so what - I want 100% of my donatation to go to the cause - thats why I donate to the Red Cross! Also why are they called 'chuggers'?!?! That makes me think of peeps chugging beer!!

sickle

tk123 wrote:

IAlso why are they called 'chuggers'?!?! That makes me think of peeps chugging beer!!

chuggers = charity muggers...
i had one talk to me for over 20mins,i told him straight away i want interesed (have no money/job at the moment),and did he go away,noooo. i tried walking away and he follwed me with his big learned off spiel about how much it costs to save a child. in the end he had to just give me his card to go to the website and sign petitions(which i dont have a problem with,they are free after all...)
and this whole 'not moving from the spot thing', may be true,but the way they line up on both sides of the steet means they cant be avoided,one of the feckers will get ya...

][cEMAN**

D!ve^Bomb! has a small willy!!!

Or at least i'm under the assumption from most of this thread, and generally his/her/it's comments, that direct insults and unsupported retarded claims are perfectly acceptable.

Etho, was he following you to give to charity, or to get your tel#?

As for general people looking to collect for charity, I don't mind giving if the person isn't pushing me to give. If they do, i'll in no uncertain terms, tell them where to shove it.

Charity is an option, not an obligation.

delop

hope any of the Dissenters dont end up in Australia looking for a job... A lot of Irish get employed to do charity work door to door over there, something to do with the Irish accent or something...

I find it funny that people are firstly annoyed about being hassled to give money to charity on a street, and then annoyed that people get paid to do this job..

Are you annoyed that youare being asked to donate? Just say no! Or are they making you feel guilty? If that is so, then you are annoyed that they are not doing the job out of the goodness of their hearts.... Sounds a bit Hypocritical to me...

And anyhoo where should the pay Stop and start? Should the MD of Concern get paid? How many levels below that of MD should get paid... Im pretty sure if you dont offer pay, you will not get the best person for the job... Someone Like Michael o Leary might do and good job of running a charity but would not be attracted to the job unless he gets paid ??

No Yes maybe ? hmmmm...

karlh

if you want to give money to charity, for the love of jebus why give it to concern, trocaire, oxfam? they are businesses and although non-profit in the way that they cannot pay shareholders money, top execs earn in excess of €200,000 a year, preformance related! the more tragedy and kind people in the world, the more money they get....kinda fúcked up!

the bib wearing cronies are the tip of the iceberg.

joseph brand

I think that what is of 'Concern' to people is that this Charity seems rather like a small Business.

Also, 13 euro an hour is no minimum wage.

What about paying them 8 euro an hour, an still let them collect the scratch.

The extra 5 euro per hour would do a lot for the poor.

The other reason I think people dislike these Chuggers is that they always seem to me anyway, to be students from Trinners and D4 youths who can probably survive on their pocket money???

combs

They'll be debating this on The Big Bite tomorrow on RTE 1 at 2:30.

Tusky

Every notice how well tanned the concern workers seem to be ? I always found that strange...

nlgbbbblth

Concern chuggers rely solely on bullying and intimidation to get people to contribute/sign a direct debit mandate

Dinner

Tusky wrote:

Every notice how well tanned the concern workers seem to be ? I always found that strange...

Maybe they were out in the middle of Africa trying to help people.

nlgbbbblth wrote:

Concern chuggers rely solely on bullying and intimidation to get people to contribute/sign a direct debit mandate

Do you mean everyone who collects for Concern?
I've had to do my bit for them during TY and it was not through intimidation that we got any money.

tba

nlgbbbblth wrote:

Concern chuggers rely solely on bullying and intimidation to get people to contribute/sign a direct debit mandate

Never felt pressured by them at all, maybe your the highly suggestable type?

skywalker

Orla1 wrote:

Now we've got a LOT of money lyin around and need to find a worthwhile charity to give it to... one where all of the money will go to famine or war victims... any ideas??

i posted this on another forum a while back. might interest ya.


the late late i think it was last week when an irish charity guy was on, this guy made his fortune in an internet company in a few years, sold it for $500million and then set up a charity with his own $100million donation and apparently does great work in africa. he uses the interest on the 100m to fund all operating costs so any donations made to his charity he guarantees that 100% of it goes towards helping people. very inspiring guy, and it struck me thats exactly the type of person to run that kinda operation, one who cuts through bull**** and burocracy. the guys name was Philip Berber and the website for the charity is http://www.aglimmerofhope.org/ if any of you want to take a look

grimloch

tba wrote:

Never felt pressured by them at all, maybe your the highly suggestable type?

i feel pretty pressurised when they really put you on the spot with the "can you help us out question?"

Red Alert

The Hanly Centre gang are without a doubt the worst of the lot. When I used to work for BT2 i was followed back into the shop by one of them as i brought my lunch back from dunnes!

StupidLikeAFox

well if ya think about it, those concern guys are getting paid by the hour, theyre not on commision. So the more money collected the more money that goes to the poor people. Sure a some MORE could go to them, but still, not every charity is perfect. Id be more concerned with the scratchcard people than the direct debit/standing order people