Chavs??

CerebralCortex

Did anybody see the Chav documentry on Sky one last night? What did ye think?

Chalk

fairly crap.
turned it off afer about 20 mins
your one presenting was a fvcking retard.

magpie

Arse. Chavs are just knackers, pikeys, gyppos, skangers or whatever other name you want to give to the tracksuited masses. Trying to turn them into a new phenomenon is pushing it a bit.

Arse. Chavs are just knackers, pikeys, gyppos, skangers or whatever other name you want to give to the tracksuited masses. Trying to turn them into a new phenomenon is pushing it a bit.

there is a little more to it. I didn't see the "documentary" (Sky 1 doesn't do documentaries, they do scare factors), but Chav's also include a growing number of youths from respectable families that wish to be seen in this light.

We've all seen them. They come from decent households, with decent incomes, and yet they dress like knackers, and act like knackers. There's almost a "coolness" to being able to do this. Personally, I don't get it very well, and wish they'd all **** off. But they're here, and there's more every time you check a street corner, or look into a discount store.

Sleepy

It's life mimicking art afaic. Remember Tommy Tiernan's sketch about middle class kids wanting to be knackers in the future ("Justin's not me name no more Mammy, I wanna be known by me sham name 'hatchets'...").

Why someone wants to be included in a group of society known only for their abilities to procreate and sponge off the state is beyond me. Given the fact that society has grown up and most parents are now quite liberal in their approach to child rearing, is this the new punk / rock 'n roll? Is it just silly little kids wanting to rebel against their parents' ideals?

FX Meister

Deleted User wrote:

but Chav's also include a growing number of youths from respectable families that wish to be seen in this light.

We've all seen them. They come from decent households, with decent incomes, and yet they dress like knackers, and act like knackers. There's almost a "coolness" to being able to do this. Personally, I don't get it very well, and wish they'd all **** off. But they're here, and there's more every time you check a street corner, or look into a discount store.

You're talking about Hollywood Knackers there mate, that's the phrase for them.

Personally I don't see the point in adopting an English term for what we already call knackers.

Goodshape

The very thought of classifying these idiots as anything other than idiots makes me physically ill.

Who came up with the term 'Chav' anyway? First heard of it on CNN or somewhere.. it was the 'light-side-of-the-news' story: a report on the UK's growing number of Chavs. I couldn't believe it - a news story on tracksuited muppets.

Makes my brain hurt, tbh.

landser

in dublin, they're usually called scangers.

the documentary was rubbish. julie bulldyke is a middleclass wanna be working class hero. her treatise was based on the premise that "chavs" are the true heart and sould of britain who have always been with us and who made britain great, salt of the earth type people. her theory goes that what turned these working class people into feckless thugs was margaret thatcher, who destroyed the working class.

burchill is a reviled idiot who no one takes seriously

Keyzer

Why do Chavs have a fascination with Burberry?
It's like their uniform or something.

magpie

("Justin's not me name no more Mammy, I wanna be known by me sham name 'hatchets'...").

A bit like Colin Farrell you mean?

FX Meister

Collin Farrell wants to be called hatchets?

magpie

He's a posh boy playing at being a knacker

FX Meister

He's from castleknock isn't he? I wouldn't really call that area posh. Did you know him before he became famous or are you basing your opinion on assumption?

maccydoodies

I have another name. CAnt really spell it but here goes. Schwaarres. Fukin hate them.

mr_angry

Keyzer wrote:

Why do Chavs have a fascination with Burberry?
It's like their uniform or something.

Thats one thing I have never understood. Did the whole 'Chav' thing start in Scotland or something?

ARGINITE

utter rubbish!

super_furry

mr_angry wrote:

Thats one thing I have never understood. Did the whole 'Chav' thing start in Scotland or something?

No, they call them 'Neds' up there.

Doper Than U

They like Burberry for the same reason they like fake Tommy Hilfiger and Ralph Lauren clothes, and bootleg designer stuff in general. They think it makes them look wealthy, or posh or classy or something like that.

Funny site : http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

Zombrex

FX Meister wrote:

He's from castleknock isn't he? I wouldn't really call that area posh. Did you know him before he became famous or are you basing your opinion on assumption?

He went to a private school afiak and was a bit of a posh lad (by north dublin standards) ... he certainly wasn't a scanger, he puts on that Intermission accent for the Americans :rolleyes:

I knew a load of middle class lads in school who when they hit about 3 year all started talking in "Al'rite Anto!" accents and wearing baseball caps (this would have been a good few years ago).

It is the its-cool-to-be-from-da-streets fashion, they think they are 'ard because they pretend to come from the knacker areas of dublin, instead of coming from Sandymount :rolleyes:

Didn't the whole Burberry thing start off in Glasgow? Something to do with football or something... A Scottish friend told me the reason once.

Personally I'd rather Sky1 didn't try to romanticise being a Chav. Kids these days have enough problems without being told its ok to be a scummy little ****. Stick to Sci-Fi and normal programs. We have the Discovery channel for "proper" documentaries. (I'm getting kind of sick of seeing ads for "documentaries" for Bacteria, dangers of cooking etc)

magpie

the knacker areas of dublin, instead of coming from Sandymount

Possibly a moot point, but Sandymount used to be a working class area (back in the 70s/80s) before all the filthy rich cultchies started moving in and putting on 'DORT' accents.

A mate of mine gave me a handy way of spotting wannabe D4 types who are actually rich farmers, they pronounce Father 'Forther' as they are trying to overcompensate for their rural vowels. Sandymount is full of them, parking their BMs at 45 degrees to the footpath and balancing shades on their head.

As for old Colin (the name's a giveaway, no?) He's a public school boy as wicknight points out, and is certainly not the gum chewing, fag smoking 'filthy knacker' he puts across.

fletch

Documentary was ****! Not enough hot chavs.....have to admit to havin a serious fetish for chavs.....gimme a guy in tracksuit bottoms and a peak cap anyday!

koneko

Sky tend to do this, with their original "documentaries". It was the same with the "Who Are The Beckhams?" program, that was on a few months back (and repeated last night after the Chavs program). Instead of pretending an unbiased look at a particular phenomenon or person, they give someone an hour for their soapbox rant. The Beckhams documentary was basically just this woman going around giving out to everyone for being so mean to the Beckhams, that they were both actually really smart and funny, and aren't we all sad they're being targetted in the papers.

The Chavs "documentary" was laughable. Every time I flicked it on, she was moaning about how Beckham and Kate Moss are apparantly chavs, but no one minds them. Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because Beckham and Kate Moss don't go around in gangs, giving people hassle on the bus or causing a public nuisance/drinking in public/whatever scumbags do nowadays.

fletch

Who else thinks chavs are WELL fit!

po0k

www.fat-pie.com

Go there.
Watch some of the videos.

That is a true Chav documentary.

There's a big difference between English "Chavs" and knackers/tinkers. As someone above pointed out they are similar to Ireland's scumbags, but they certainly aren't middle-class teenagers trying to act hard.

N.E.D.s is by far my favourite term for them.
Non-Educated Delinquents

FX Meister

wicknight said he went to a private school not a public one. Just because someone goes to a private school does not automatically mean they talk with a knacker accent. I went to a knacker school for three years and a private school for three years yet I never spoke with either a knacker accent or posh accent. All classes of people smoke, he has a Dublin accent, he is who he is but I don't think he puts across anything that he isn't.

magpie wrote:

Possibly a moot point, but Sandymount used to be a working class area (back in the 70s/80s) before all the filthy rich cultchies started moving in and putting on 'DORT' accents.

A mate of mine gave me a handy way of spotting wannabe D4 types who are actually rich farmers, they pronounce Father 'Forther' as they are trying to overcompensate for their rural vowels. Sandymount is full of them, parking their BMs at 45 degrees to the footpath and balancing shades on their head.

As for old Colin (the name's a giveaway, no?) He's a public school boy as wicknight points out, and is certainly not the gum chewing, fag smoking 'filthy knacker' he puts across.

magpie

wicknight said he went to a private school not a public one

You've never heard Eton, Harrow etc being referred to as Public Schools then? 'Public School' does not equal 'open to the public', it means fee paying.

he has a Dublin accent

Yeah, but not a Castleknock one.

FX Meister

magpie wrote:

You've never heard Eton, Harrow etc being referred to as Public Schools then? 'Public School' does not equal 'open to the public', it means fee paying.



Yeah, but not a Castleknock one.

Sorry mate this is Ireland not England, they may be called public schools in another country but not here. I've known plenty of people from Castleknock who speak with an accent similar to Colin, none of them are wanabe scumbags, it's just their accent. Sounds like you're just jealous of him as he's done better for himself than you have.

bopper

fletch wrote:

Who else thinks chavs are WELL fit!

I think you're the only one

billy the squid

There's a big difference between English "Chavs" and knackers/tinkers. As someone above pointed out they are similar to Ireland's scumbags, but they certainly aren't middle-class teenagers trying to act hard.

It is interesting actually that one would use words like "tinker" and "knacker", which are actually different paying professions, to describe a bunch of lazy ****es.

unless your making an anti-traveller stereotype statement sort of thing, to which i would say that this fettish of chavism started in the settled community.

NotMe

SyxPak wrote:

www.fat-pie.com

Go there.
Watch some of the videos.

That is a true Chav documentary.

You know it's not real right?

Davey Devil

Deleted User wrote:

Didn't the whole Burberry thing start off in Glasgow? Something to do with football or something... A Scottish friend told me the reason once.

Your right. In the 60's and 70's when English and Scotish football fans went abroad for European matches, they used to rob the designer stores with all the fashions that you couldn't get in Britian. Lacoste and Burburry were two of the most popular and became recognisable as the choice of the football holligans.

Back in Britian it made it easier for the football holligans to identify who was up for a scrap. All the normal supporters would wear the football shirts and scarves whereas the holligans would go to the game fitted out in the latest designer gear. It's something to do with the "holligans code", which stated that you were only supposed to fight other holligans who were up for it rather than attack innocent supporters.

vibe666

Davey Devil wrote:

It's something to do with the "holligans code", which stated that you were only supposed to fight other holligans who were up for it rather than attack innocent supporters.

jolly sporting of them.

magpie

Back in Britian it made it easier for the football holligans to identify who was up for a scrap. All the normal supporters would wear the football shirts and scarves whereas the holligans would go to the game fitted out in the latest designer gear.

Yes, they referred to themselves as casuals. But as fxmeister pointed out this is Ireland, not England, so therefore any discussion or references to england, even though we share a common language and idiom, are utterly irrelevant and should result in a lifetime ban.

As for being jealous of Colin Farrell, seeing as how he had to pimp his backside to Kevin Spacey and all his deviant friends in the hollywood hills to get where he is, I'll keep my lot in life thanks. Out of interest his brother lives down the road from me and has a permanent look of surprise from his overplucked eyebrows and is an interesting shade of orange. Nice Porsche though.

Baz_

magpie wrote:

But as fxmeister pointed out this is Ireland, not England, so therefore any discussion or references to england, even though we share a common language and idiom, are utterly irrelevant and should result in a lifetime ban.

That wasn't fxmeisters point and you know it (either that or you're a f*cking retard).

Just in case you didn't get the point let me spell it out for you. You stated that the term "public school" meant private school, which in Ireland is wrong which is what fxmeister pointed out to you. Since this is an Irish site I don't think fxmeister was out of line to let you know that you were using the wrong term. I don't see anywhere in his posts that says discussions that mention England are invalid - just that using the english terminology on an Irish site (i.e. the wrong terminology) might get confusing. You might want to tone down the sensitivity tbh.

As for the jealousy of Colin Farrell thats just something your going to have to live with, lots of people do things that some would feel demeaning just to get ahead in life, thats intelligent. Thats not to say Colin Farrell did compromise himself in the way you say, maybe he did maybe he didn't, I don't know, but if he did I think even you would agree that it has been worth it.

Baz_

Heathen

i thought it was great!! it put us chavs in the right light we deserve to be in.
yous havent a bleedin clue! so shut up!! just look how cool i look in my photo -See Attached- Righh!!

i'll bleedin Burst ya if ya slag me off ever!!

Heathen

Macker Eire wrote:

i thought it was great!! it put us chavs in the right light we deserve to be in.
yous havent a bleedin clue! so shut up!! just look how cool i look in my photo -See Attached- Righh!!

i'll bleedin Burst ya if ya slag me off ever!!

hehehe only messin :eek:

i thought it was crap! yer woman was wierd, she seemed really imature towards any comments she diddnt agree with... i couldent watch the last 15 mins, was just too crap.

Kingsize

"colin farrell's a posh boy playing at being a knacker"
yeah from what i heard (cant say I ever seen him interviewed before he became mega famous). not many skangers have a dad who owns a health food shop in a trendy part of town either.
nigel kennedy went through the same transformation years ago funnily enough.
there are loads of middle class wannabe skangers its funny really.

Shrimp

unclean, uncleanly, unkempt, unwashed, verminous creatures... Thay should be just wiped off the earth, I recommend putting them in a space shuttle and HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..... sending them to the sun.

magpie

just that using the english terminology on an Irish site (i.e. the wrong terminology) might get confusing

Like 'chav' for instance?

Shrimp

Ok, Lets all speak in irish then, then no words will be english

*adele*

twas shít,they called paris hilton a chav for christs sake!!!
they were acting like EVERYONE wanted to be a chav...like come on!!!

Shrimp

Paris Hilton is WRECKED, Her face is ****ed up. And she's all skinny..

ehh, No thanks, Taxi for one...

Yes, they referred to themselves as casuals. But as fxmeister pointed out this is Ireland, not England, so therefore any discussion or references to england, even though we share a common language and idiom, are utterly irrelevant and should result in a lifetime ban.

Thats crap. While I was a teenager (abt 10 years ago), people used to say that ireland was 5 years behind the UK. Basically that Ireland would adapt what the UK was doing once it was accepted over there.

If anyone can prove that the "Chav fashion" came from the UK over to here, then it has some bearing on the discussion.

And as for the lifetime ban, calling for one is just as bad, since you're not a Mod. This is a discussion forum, not us talking and you deciding. :rolleyes:

magpie

that was what's known as 'sarcasm'.

Nasty_Girl

Personally I think the "Chav" thing is just another thing for people to make a fuss over

mr_angry

I think its just another way to describe a group of people who dress and act a certain way. For example, there was a right Chav-like bloke in the alley beside my house this morning. I have no hesitation in calling him a Chav, since he was hanging around an alley on his own at 9:30 in the morning smoking hash and with his peak cap at a 45-degree angle. All these things in their own right are ok, but put them all together, and you have a Chav.

magpie

I have no hesitation in calling him a Chav, since he was hanging around an alley on his own at 9:30 in the morning smoking hash and with his peak cap at a 45-degree angle. All these things in their own right are ok, but put them all together, and you have a Chav.

And doubtless 1) sovereign rings 2) blade-1-based hairstyle 3) skinny jeans 4) tracksuit top or patterned 'sweater' 5) earring 6) White reebok runners

DublinWriter

FX Meister wrote:

He's from castleknock isn't he? I wouldn't really call that area posh.

Where are you from? BellAir?!?

It was nice to see Julie Burchill lose the weight. She was Harneyesque about three years ago.

However, she completely lost the plot and betrayed her middle-class background when she assumed that 'Chav' equals 'Working Class'.

mr_angry

magpie wrote:

And doubtless 1) sovereign rings 2) blade-1-based hairstyle 3) skinny jeans 4) tracksuit top or patterned 'sweater' 5) earring 6) White reebok runners

1) Dunno. 2) Yes. 3) Dunno. 4) Patterned sweater. 5) Dunno. 6) Yes.

pretty-in-pink

so far as my understanding goes, a chav is a nicer name for a scumbag.

It is someone half-way between a knacker and a street-knacker.

street-knacker - someone who acts,looks and possibly smells like a knacker. Difference being they have different shaped bodies. This group is mostly non-working class(u know the joke "im an artist" "really?" "yeah im drawing the dole"), they do a lot to degrade the image of council estate workers and those on the dole, or disability. They scam the government, and choose to live a knacker-esque livestyle, This makes them lower then the knacker as knackers are born into it.

Chav- someone who can come from any background, acts like a total scumbag, has many undesirable habits, wears horrible clothes - fake burberry etc, tracklegs tucked into socks, they develop an attitude and way of walking and behaving (we'd call it shaping up down here! "shaping up to someone= cocky swagger, challenging those around you to fights, you know -whats your problem, what you looking at bla bla bla) so that even when dressed up they can't be brought out. They are slightly above street knackers as they do not possess all knacker tendancies, and have some brand new ones (the clothes!). However the difference is minimal, and they could be categorised as two slightly different examples of the same species.

Knackers - born into their life, don't know any different really as they have been broght up through generations of this kind of behaviour. They are also scummy, weird, arrogant, ignorant, smelly, abusive people for the most part. they are meerly ahead as they didnt chose their life, though they choose to continue living it(which opens a whole nature/nurture thing, and thats a whole new topic) Knackers also have a different genetic struvture, or bone structure to us. Its why they all look the same more or less. Fact. Im not being rascist. so however we shape society, knackers will always be different. physicaly at least.

Society is multi-tiered, and even within each group there are tiers. Its always been that way and will always be that way. At least you can climb or decline nowadays.