The Frames on New years Eve

lazygit

Anyone go to there gig last night in Vicar Street?
I have to say what a load of ****e...

They disappeard off stage about 11:55 and came back on at about 00:05
we had a lovley count down on the TV screen with Gaybo!...

They played the same few songs all night, we might as well have had a CD on repeat..

Bring back the Stunning... now that was a night to talk about.!

Third_Echelon

<rant>
Im my opinion the frames are the most over-rated band in ireland. For the past few years they have been churning out boring predictable rock... They have never progressed beyond playing the college circuit and a few gigs in the olympia now and again... oh yes and we also had the unfortunate experience of seeing them at witnness a few years ago as well....

The sooner people actually listen properly to the muck produced by acts such as the frames, paddy casey etc and actually realise its very poor quality the better... drivel of the highest order....
</rant>

fightin irish

the frames are absoulate ****e, always have been and always will, i agree with above, they haven't moved on.

Paddy casey i do like, (livin has ony 4 good songs, the first 4) But i would be expecting a whole lot more when he does a new album, altough i wouldn't hold my breath!!!

BTW when will the frames or other such irish acts REALIZE that image is ALSO a big part of your music, OMG a big red beard :eek:

What 14-16 yr old is gonna say ''oh yeah these guys look cool'' im sorry but that is the way it is when your that age.

I remember seen the stunning in '94 and they were rocking but they looked like rockn' roll stars.

But NO we have BIG CURLY HAIR and RED BEARDS.

**me walks away feeling a whole lot better**

Badly Drunk Boy

But you still say you like Paddy Casey....publicly...? Sicko!!!

fightin irish

Badly Drunk Boy wrote:

But you still say you like Paddy Casey....publicly...? Sicko!!!

LOL lets say i enjoy 4 of his songs :rolleyes:

I am MAN

Another display of idiots!

well done!

cormie

Third_Echelon wrote:

<rant>
Im my opinion the frames are the most over-rated band in ireland. For the past few years they have been churning out boring predictable rock... They have never progressed beyond playing the college circuit and a few gigs in the olympia now and again... oh yes and we also had the unfortunate experience of seeing them at witnness a few years ago as well....

The sooner people actually listen properly to the muck produced by acts such as the frames, paddy casey etc and actually realise its very poor quality the better... drivel of the highest order....
</rant>

So what would you define as good music?


I was at the New Years gig, I stopped listening to the Frames a year or so ago, I was really into them up until then. My taste just progressed I suppose. My friends were going to the gig so I went too. It was good, but I've been to better Frames gigs.

I would never judge a gig or a band by the fact that the lead singers hair happens to be curly.

Doodee

*Grumble* Paddy Casey *Grumble*

Third_Echelon

cormie wrote:

So what would you define as good music?

not the frames

cormie wrote:

I would never judge a gig or a band by the fact that the lead singers hair happens to be curly.

neither would i, that was the other poster that said that.... the fact that he is a loudmouth idiot may be a factor as well...

Third_Echelon

I am MAN wrote:

Another display of idiots!

well done!

What exactly are you trying to say here?

Because someone has a different opinion to you, that they are idiots?

well done yourself

cormie

Third_Echelon wrote:

not the frames


neither would i, that was the other poster that said that.... the fact that he is a loudmouth idiot may be a factor as well...

Sorry, I wasn't pointing the thing about the hair to you, just the question regarding your taste in music. Please elaborate and name some artists/bands.

Third_Echelon

cormie wrote:

Sorry, I wasn't pointing the thing about the hair to you, just the question regarding your taste in music. Please elaborate and name some artists/bands.

I like rock'n'roll music and rock/blues type stuff as well, which you could include the frames in the rock category... i just think there music is bad and a bit unimaginative.

Bands i like:

Radiohead
Ash
Oasis
Foo Fighters
Blur
Kings of Leon
David Bowie
Nirvana
U2
Audioslave
Rage Against The Machine
Rory Gallagher
PJ Harvey
Weezer
The Jam
Whipping Boy
Lou Reed
The Streets
Belle And Sebastian
Snow Patrol
Metallica
System Of A Down

they are just some artists of the top of my head

I also like dance and electronic music by such bands as chemical brothers, underworld, leftfield.
Sigur Ros are another band i like, thats a completely different type of music.

My background would be rock and bluesy rock type stuff, but i have a wide range of stuff in my collection...

cormie

I'd have to say that The Frames are better than some of those bands you mentioned in my oppinion.

I like to judge music purely by what it is. Music. Not by the image created or displayed by the artists.

As far as this goes. I feel The Frames are not so bad. They have played overseas, Australia and the likes. I don't understand why you say you had the unfortunate experience of seeing them at Witnness. Why did you watch them if you don't like them? I saw Oasis there a year or so ago and I left because I felt I could find something better to listen to. I found Josh Ritter in one of the smaller tents. He's ok.

I find some of the lyrics and music The Frames produce to be above average of what is out there.


I do have a wide musical taste.
From The Frames to Paul Van Dyke, Gigi D'Agastino to David Kitt, Django Rheinhardt to Ennio Morricone, Tom Waits to Leonard Cohen, Smashing Pumpkins to Enya, Counting Crows to NWA, Ryan Addams to Bela Fleck, Dave Matthews Band to Scooter, Bob Segar to Daft Punk, Weezer to Bach, DMX to Deep Forest, Joni Mitchell to Joan Baez, Dire Straits to Live, Paul Brady to Rammstein, Prince to Prodigy, Sinead O'Connor to Springsteen, The Wallflowers to Tool.

You get the picture. As I said, I haven't listened to The Frames in about a year, I got their latest album and haven't even bothered to listen to it because I'm listening to other artists who I prefer and think are far superior. But as far as bands go, they aren't the worst.

Jim

What makes you an authority on music Third_Echelon?

If people get enjoyment out of the music I don't really see what harm its doing. Just because you don't like it doesn't define it as "drivel of the highest order".

I personally really like The Frames, thought their new album is excellent. I also used to be a fan of Paddy Casey's first album, but thought his second was dreadful.

fightin irish

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neither would i, that was the other poster that said that.... the fact that he is a loudmouth idiot may be a factor as well...[/QUOTE]


WTF...who gives you the right to call me a loudmouth idot, i clearly was stating how bands get new audiences such as 14 to 16 yr olds and alot of whats in a 14yr old head is image, so im a loud mouth for this am i?????

Btw my favourite band is The Stone Roses, i also love Mowtown and the rolling stones and i must not forget a REAL GOOD irish band The Stunning.

Third Echlon don't call me a loudmouth idot .....it really offends

Third_Echelon

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

What makes you an authority on music Third_Echelon?

If people get enjoyment out of the music I don't really see what harm its doing. Just because you don't like it doesn't define it as "drivel of the highest order".

I personally really like The Frames, thought their new album is excellent. I also used to be a fan of Paddy Casey's first album, but thought his second was dreadful.

The certificate on my wall that says im the authority on music...

Its not just my opinion, other people have this opinion as well.

Third_Echelon

fightin irish wrote:

Third_Echelon wrote:

neither would i, that was the other poster that said that.... the fact that he is a loudmouth idiot may be a factor as well...

WTF...who gives you the right to call me a loudmouth idot, i clearly was stating how bands get new audiences such as 14 to 16 yr olds and alot of whats in a 14yr old head is image, so im a loud mouth for this am i?????

Btw my favourite band is The Stone Roses, i also love Mowtown and the rolling stones and i must not forget a REAL GOOD irish band The Stunning.

Third Echlon don't call me a loudmouth idot .....it really offends

please re-read my post with the knowledge that loudmouth idiot = that ginger fool from the frames... not you

chewy

really?

Third_Echelon

cormie wrote:

I'd have to say that The Frames are better than some of those bands you mentioned in my oppinion.

In your opinion thats ok, but i have to disagree. Not one frames album would touch in anyway any album by any of those bands for quality...

The amount of classic albums in that list alone by those artists is astonishing. The frames just dont cut the mustard in comparison.

cormie wrote:

I like to judge music purely by what it is. Music. Not by the image created or displayed by the artists.

As do I

cormie wrote:

As far as this goes. I feel The Frames are not so bad. They have played overseas, Australia and the likes.

More than likely to the people who were students over the past 10 years or so and are now there on there year away... I wouldn't be surprised.

cormie wrote:

I don't understand why you say you had the unfortunate experience of seeing them at Witnness. Why did you watch them if you don't like them?

Getting a good spot for the next band if i remember correctly and my friend wanted to see them. They were not that exciting in fairness. They have 1 or 2 good songs and thats it.

cormie wrote:

I saw Oasis there a year or so ago and I left because I felt I could find something better to listen to. I found Josh Ritter in one of the smaller tents. He's ok.

That was a particularly bad oasis gig. The sound was fcuked up for the first 6 or 7 songs before someone actually realised that it sounded ****. Wasnt too bad after that.

cormie

Well in my oppinion Oasis are not a good band and are not better than The Frames. I did like them when I was about 12 or so, and then I started listening to other music, then about a year later, I thought to myself that I would put on an Oasis album as I recall it being good and I hadn't listened to it in a while, so I stuck it on and it didn't make it past one song before I switched it off. Purely my oppinion however.

I am not here to say who is better than who. I am just saying The Frames are not as bad as you make them out to be. And it doesn't matter if Glen Hansard is an idiot, I have no oppinion of if he is or not, I don't know him. I judge by music not personality.

The Frames do have a slightly unique sound to them and it can be quite appealing.



They didn't really play the same song twice. They were playing Fake and were interrupted by a screening of them performing on some countodown show with Gay Byrne where they were playing Hey Day by Mic Christopher. After the countdown they played another song or two and decided to play the full version of fake without fear of interruption.

Mark Geary, supporting, also added an interlude of Hey Day to one of his songs.

fightin irish

Third_Echelon wrote:

please re-read my post with the knowledge that loudmouth idiot = that ginger fool from the frames... not you

My bad sorry m8.

Bottle_of_Smoke

I was at the gig last year when they didn't come on till a few seconds before 12, did a countdown then auld lang syne then the rest of the set, that was a great night. Didn't go to this new years cos i saw them the other week and they were terrible. Love the albums and that was the first bad gig ive been to by them

Third_Echelon

fightin irish wrote:

My bad sorry m8.

no probs.. i can see however how you thought what you did.

StupidLikeAFox

fightin irish wrote:

BTW when will the frames or other such irish acts REALIZE that image is ALSO a big part of your music, OMG a big red beard :eek:

Thats crap right there! How is how ya look gonna influence your talent? If Bob Dylan played in a leotard, shaved off all his hair and wore dutch clogs do ya think all his fans would go straight off his music?

Sure the frames are no girls aloud, but ya can still listen away to their music no bother

Emmo

To be honest unless some scientist produces the Fliminy Music Scale with Chaz and Dave at absolute and Elvis in full come back get up at the peak then we are never going to aggree if music is good or bad.

How about its music which I do not like or music which I like dont give reasons cause they will be based on opinions and they are never objective are they?

I have met the Frames in San Francsisco and they are very nice people, sent me tickets for their gig in Dublin Castle for 6 weeks later and that was a lovely night.

I have met the bassist from System of a Down and he was an absolute ****. Tried to speak to the singer / guitarist from Sigur Ross but he didnt understand me and ran away.

This is nothing to do with music but it will colour my opinions of the music, you see?

Emmo

Deadwing

Im of the opinion that this new wave of irish 'whine rock' is a pile of toss. Damien rice, paddy casey, mundy, christ almighty its like they all came fromt he same bloody blueprint. *Irritating 30yr old + whining about being a teenager + acoustic guitar = new wave of irish whine rock'.

I heard a damien rice song the other day about how 'love taught him to lie, life taught him to die'. I wanted to stab him in the face with his f*cking guitar and strangle him with his god damn microphone lead. That'll give him something to whine about.

StupidLikeAFox

Deadwing wrote:

Im of the opinion.....

Grand, your entitled to it.

At the end of the day theyre all millionaires, well off anyway, and pretty damn successful. Dont begrudge them that anyway. And love them or hate them ya cant deny that theyre v.talented.

Look this is a load of shíte, if you don't like teh frames, don't listen to them, stay away from their circles and don't discuss them with fans. I personally hate Death Metal and Rap music, there's forums on here for both of them, do i post in them? no, do i even look in them? no. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're ****e!

MojoMaker

Deadwing wrote:

Im of the opinion that this new wave of irish 'whine rock' is a pile of toss. Damien rice, paddy casey, mundy, christ almighty its like they all came fromt he same bloody blueprint. *Irritating 30yr old + whining about being a teenager + acoustic guitar = new wave of irish whine rock'.

I heard a damien rice song the other day about how 'love taught him to lie, life taught him to die'. I wanted to stab him in the face with his f*cking guitar and strangle him with his god damn microphone lead. That'll give him something to whine about.

Amen brother. Why is the current generation of Irish "rock" appealing to the suicidal/self-obsessed/puerile tendencies in their respective audiences?

Whine Rock is a pretty good analogy tbh. I've been to a few Rice gigs and he has a talent, I just wish to fcuk he would start singing like a man instead of an emasculated cuckhold and get out there and enjoy life.

Casey on the NYE late late was a complete joke. Such sulleness and ignorance towards the host of a show I haven't seen in years. Hansard's beard looked like it was about to burst into flame, jebus the man is only gone 30 and is from Ballyfermot ffs. What's that all about?

Mundy should be up there with Tabby...selling Big Macs in Bundoran.

Deadwing

ColHol wrote:

Grand, your entitled to it.

At the end of the day theyre all millionaires, well off anyway, and pretty damn successful. Dont begrudge them that anyway. And love them or hate them ya cant deny that theyre v.talented.

Yes i can deny theyre talented. Sorry but 3 chord tricks and miserable lyrics do no a good musician make.

Mojomaker wrote:

Mundy should be up there with Tabby...selling Big Macs in Bundoran.

Post of the week

Ro: maaan!

I'm not gonna bother quoting anyone here 'cause it sounds like all of the people who are saying they're ****e have exactly the same reason for thinking it.

Glen Hansard has red hair and a beard. I can't for the life of me think of any reason for this being in any way relevent to the music of the Frames. Nor can I think of any reason why one would dislike him or feel the need to slag him off. It's just hair... is it not? Please explain it to me. Please! I would really like to know.

You all seem to think Glen Hansard is a gob****e... etc. Why do any of you think this? Do you have one reason? Please explain this to me too.

And for the love of god what Raul Sweet Meat said. If you don't like them why the hell do you spend so much time talking about them? I'd really like you all to expalin these things to me...

cartman

from reading the whole thread iv came to the conclusion of both parties that the frames are good and have a grand talent and glen hansard is a dick.. i agree

I'm gonna get eaten for this, but, Bono is also a dick!

So what he makes music, which some people like, and some people don't, that's just the way of the world.

/rant

Jim

/me strokes beard

Evilution

I'll make this quick. The frames are $hit

I'll make this quicker- Fúck You :mad:

Ro: maaan!

I doubt anyone is going to change their views here, but if it would be possible to give a reason why you dislike them this would at least be a discussion rather than people just saying they're ****.

exactly, if someone would please provide linkage to the excellent thread made by Giblet, of the Bands/Musicians forum, who banned all comments like the one above because they're ridiculous. Back up your comment or don't make it!

Evilution

Deleted User wrote:

I'll make this quicker- Fúck You :mad:

Oh, the scorn :rolleyes:
Right, a reason I don't like them - all their songs sound the same, poor live sound (I've seen 'em live), no standout songs, they're another band with the word "the" in the title - give it a rest etc etc.
Fúck the frames - if you want a good irish band then look elsewhere.

StupidLikeAFox

Evilution wrote:

Oh, the scorn :rolleyes:
Right, a reason I don't like them - all their songs sound the same,

Not true, as a semi fan ill say that i can listen to a whole album and listen to every song. Sure there are similarities, just like all bands have, isnt that how they break songs down into genres?

poor live sound (I've seen 'em live),

Ok thats debatable, but ive also seen them live and i enjoyed the gig

no standout songs,

Ya mean no catchy pop type songs? I dunno its not really what i would look for in a band but whatever your into

they're another band with the word "the" in the title

Oh no! I didnt see this until now, i take back all my points, sure if a band cant even pick the right name what hope have they got of making good music?

Fúck the frames

Yes, lets all fúck the frames, that'll teach them

Evilution

ColHol wrote:

Ya mean no catchy pop type songs?

Yes, lets all fúck the frames, that'll teach them

I'm not a pop fan, but then again they're not a pop band. They just don't rub my rhubarb. There are hundreds of other bands out there doing the same thing as they are but doing it better. Free economy buddy, I'll choose the better bands any day. And I don't want to hear any "irish begrudgery" crap either!!!
Thing is, I wasted my money seeing them because its the likes of you who hype them uneccessarily. The frames, average at best, but fúck them anyway :rolleyes:

StupidLikeAFox

Evilution wrote:

I'm not a pop fan, but then again they're not a pop band. They just don't rub my rhubarb. There are hundreds of other bands out there doing, in my opinion, the same thing as they are but in my opinion doing it better. Free economy buddy, I'll choose what i feel are the better bands any day. And I don't want to hear any "irish begrudgery" crap either!!!

Lucky for you i have corrected your post, see the red text

now if ya said that the first time instead of just frames bashing ya would have had a point

its the likes of you who hype them uneccessarily.

at which point did i hype them unnecassarily. I merely said i liked them as a band, for their music, clearly a personal opinion. Which is more than i can say for the tone of your posts

mad m

ColHol wrote:

. I merely said i liked them as a band, for their music, clearly a personal opinion.

With you on that one ColHol.Like to listen to them myself from time to time.

cormie

We all have our own personal taste in music.

The Frames are not that bad actually. As far as bands go they are quite good. There are certain bits in certain songs that can make a band stand out. The Frames have such instances in some of their songs. I like the sound of a violin. I like the violin solo in Red Chord, I think it sounds very nice. I like other sounds they produce also.

I wouldn't go judging a band by their name. Please judge by music.


I'm not one of these people who like a band because they are "in" at the moment. I have been listening to The Frames for a few years. When I first heard them I didn't even know they were Irish but I still liked what I heard.

As I said, I haven't bothered to listen to them in about a year or so. This is simply because my taste in music is maturing. However, they are still a good band.

monument

Deadwing wrote:

I heard a damien rice song the other day about how 'love taught him to lie, life taught him to die'. I wanted to stab him in the face with his f*cking guitar and strangle him with his god damn microphone lead. That'll give him something to whine about.

You should really give up playing computer games.

Evilution

Evilution wrote:

I'm not a pop fan, but then again they're not a pop band. They just don't rub my rhubarb. There are hundreds of other bands out there doing the same thing as they are but doing it better. Free economy buddy, I'll choose the better bands any day. And I don't want to hear any "irish begrudgery" crap either!!!
Thing is, I wasted my money seeing them because its the likes of you who hype them uneccessarily. The frames, average at best, but fúck them anyway :rolleyes:

what kinda music do you like? The Frames actually play in a couple of Genres,
- Rock
- Country Western (New Song - Bad Bones)
- EMO
- Folk
- Traditional
- Dance (many early singles had dance versions as B-sides. Shockingly enough Red Chord was one of them!)

and i think they play most of these genres quite well, also what you said about a live sound, the Frames continuosly get voted best live in Ireland, the sound?? you spoke about, em, afraid to tell you this but the guys on stage at a gig don't really have too much to do with the sound, usually you'll see a guy somewhere behind a ****ing huge desk with thousands of wires coming out of it, moan to him about the sound! and chances are he's not in the Frames!

BolBill

The Frames are garbage (and not lucky enough to be the band either !!!)
People in this country like the Frames because they're Irish. If they weren't Irish NOBODY would give a toss about them. Try not to compare them to anyone because most bands aren't as poor as them.

StupidLikeAFox

BolBill wrote:

People in this country like the Frames because they're Irish. If they weren't Irish NOBODY would give a toss about them.

How can ya say that? Have you not been reading the whole goddam thread? If ya dont like their music fair enough, but jus putting their whole following down to their nationality is lame at best. Talk about goddam stereotyping. Six were all irish, where did that get them? Its not like the frames are singing all about ireland or anything, now if ya said the dubliners/wolfetones were only successful because of being irish you might have a point

Try not to compare them to anyone because most bands aren't as poor as them.

in your GODDAM opinion!
:mad:

Evilution

ColHol wrote:

at which point did i hype them unnecassarily. I merely said i liked them as a band, for their music, clearly a personal opinion. Which is more than i can say for the tone of your posts

Since when did you have the monopoly on opinions here? As my posts said, my opinion is that they suck. If I didn't clarify this from stage one its because I didn't care to. Tough.

StupidLikeAFox

ColHol wrote:

at which point did i hype them unnecassarily. I merely said i liked them as a band, for their music, clearly a PERSONAL opinion. Which is more than i can say for the tone of your posts

At which point did i say i had the mnopoly on opinions? Jesus man read the freaking posts and dont just disagree for the sake of it

BolBill

I thought Six were great, especially yer wan with the long blond hair. Yer wan with the dair hair looked a bit too much like a munchken for my liking........