Linkin Park and Jay-Z

Deine Mutti

I'm just trying to get some feedback in this section of the boards cos they weren't helpful in the Rock/Metal section at all.

Anyway I'm trying to find out if you liked Linkin Park and Jay-Z's song they did together.

I thought it was great so if you liked it please tell me why

kmart6

I downloaded all of the album and its f**kin class.

daveirl

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bennyx_o

Got this album for Christmas and I love it. Can't stop listening to it.

bombidol

think its terrible myself. the only thing i can see decent about it are the live performances as the album is just remixes not a collab, it sounds lazy

Geranium

It's good enough. A few of the songs are nice and catchy. It's not going to last for me though. Still, could have been a lot worse....

jesus_thats_gre

I hate to admit it (I hate Linkin Park) but the album is savage..

David19

I think its good. Its done very well. I've yet to watch the dvd though.

Kristok

Its such a rip off of the grey album, its not bad but such a rip off.

Dr. Dre

It's adequate

jesus_thats_gre

Kristok wrote:

Its such a rip off of the grey album, its not bad but such a rip off.

shame the grey album was a pile of dog ****..

David19

Its certainly better than the grey album.

Shrimp

I think it sounds great, really good combination, almost remindes me slightly of RATM.. you know, the whole Rap/Rock thing.

I think you will find that it will get very boring after a while, probably wont stand the test of time in much respect!

David19

Shrimp wrote:

I think it sounds great, really good combination, almost remindes me slightly of RATM.. you know, the whole Rap/Rock thing.

I think you will find that it will get very boring after a while, probably wont stand the test of time in much respect!

Nah i don't think its supposed to either. It was just an experiment really. Its not a classic album or anything.

Shrimp

Hey Man,

Yeah I know what you mean. I think that Rap/Rock is always a great combination. Just pitty that there aint many bands around in that genre!

ubu

its absolutly notjhing like RATM, its a combination of rock and rap songs that were previously released and just thrown together on the same track and to compare it to RATM is like comparing sex to your love sock, and why do you feel the need to quote yourself in your sig? that has to be the saddest thing ive ever seen

Kristok

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

shame the grey album was a pile of dog ****..

I think thats a bit rough, I know a few people who have heard the grey album who are only slightly intrested in jay z and think its great. I think it was a great album and it sounds like it was recorded with the beetles music orignally which I defo cant say about collision course that album whlie good at times is just a lazy mix of old songs. You can hear stuff like this all the time on the radio i.e the remix of milkshake with b.i.g and michael jackson.

Shrimp

I can quote mself in my sig If i like.. but if you look now.. it doesn't say anything about me!

I am not trying to compare them to RATM all i am saying it's the same combination.. Rock/Rap.. now relax ubu..

Cannibal Ox

Listened to it earlier, its ****.
Grey album was much better, actually made me like Jigga.

Klimseven

The grey album was decent because Dangermouse did it...had nothing to do with that twat.

I assume this 'album' is awful...forgive my close mindedness...

David19

Klimseven wrote:

The grey album was decent because Dangermouse did it...had nothing to do with that twat.

I assume this 'album' is awful...forgive my close mindedness...

Why is jay-z a twat?

smiaras

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Makaveli

Listening to this at the moment.
Not bad, nothing to write home about. Not worth buying in my opinion, and it's only a 6 track ep, knowing Ireland it's probably €20.

Kingsize

you beat me to it makavelli it is 20 squid & theres only 6 tracks,
its also a bit of a rip off to call it a "mash up" album its a just a remix with no imagination,
i do rate jay-z but i cant cant stand linkin park & wont spend the cash,
There have been some great rock/rap crossovers in the past but its old news now really its just marketing "synergy" at this stage-like move promos with your happy meal.
you can download the grey album for nowt so even if you dont like it you wont be out of pocket.
personally being a beatles fan & a jay z fan i was a little dissapointed i have heard the beatles being used to much greater effect in some other mash-ups.

BangBeater

This album isn't the best at all. Just a way to make some fast money for jay-z and linkin park.

In one song jay-z is rappin bout how he "****s the bitches"(big pimpin), while linkin park come in with something about how everthing's depressing,etc,etc.

It just don't work.


Get 'Grey Album'. If your in2 the remix kinda thing, then this is way better.

David19

I don't think they did it to make money at all. It probably won't sell too much and you then have to divide that money into their shares. Not much left. They don't need the money either.
Anyway the album gets old very fast. I got it as a present, don't think I would have bought it. It is only 6 tracks but the dvd looks quite big.

Kristok

They totally made this album simply to make money off, and it is selling fairly good i think they sold a million and a half copies in the states so far, nobody makes albums simply for the sake of it there is too much money too loose if an album flops to do that and they could have released a mixtape if it was just for the sake of the art or whatever.

David19

Kristok wrote:

They totally made this album simply to make money off, and it is selling fairly good i think they sold a million and a half copies in the states so far, nobody makes albums simply for the sake of it there is too much money too loose if an album flops to do that and they could have released a mixtape if it was just for the sake of the art or whatever.

A lot of artists don't make money off albums. Its tours and promotional work where you make the money. They'd make hardly anything off this. 1.5 million isnt a lot for jay-z or linkin park. Linkin park have sold maybe 15+ million off two albums. They tour consistently too. Jay-z is similar. Jay-z is worth well over 100 million. He hardly needs the 50 grand he'll get off this.
There's too much money to loose? Don't worry the record companies get their cut. Its a lot more than the artists.

jesus_thats_gre

If you watch the DVD that comes with it, it lists who came up with the original concept of doing it. Someone actually sent their own mix tape to MTV and MTV approached the two artists. There is a season of these out on MTV in the states. The JayZ vs Linkin Park is just one show from the series.

Kristok

I dont think jay z is worth that much but you never know i suppose he could be. 1.5 million is just the states god knows worldwide what its sold. When you go over the million mark the artist makes a fair chunk of change and jay z is no chump he is going to get the best share out of the money. While I agree for most artists the concerts etc make the most money but when your album sales are up in the millions you will do fine off them. But I think i read on sohh.com that they where touring for the album anyway.

David19

Kristok wrote:

I dont think jay z is worth that much but you never know i suppose he could be. 1.5 million is just the states god knows worldwide what its sold. When you go over the million mark the artist makes a fair chunk of change and jay z is no chump he is going to get the best share out of the money. While I agree for most artists the concerts etc make the most money but when your album sales are up in the millions you will do fine off them. But I think i read on sohh.com that they where touring for the album anyway.

Well I know that in one year he made 23 million.That was a couple years ago, in a regular year for him. He recently sold his 16.6% share in rocafella for 30 million. I imagine his deal with reebok is huge considering his shoe is the fastest selling reebok shoe ever. Im not sure if he has a share in rocawear but if he does he's worth considerably more than a 100 million. Also he's with beyonce who has a fair bit of change at this stage.
I think they probably have a good deal on this album because theirs no big producer or video costs. Still 1.5 million isn't huge for either party and the money is split 7 ways. The world sales wouldn't add much.
Im sure they will tour it but he probably would have toured himself anyway. He'd make a lot more on his own tour.

Kristok

I think you missunderstand its 1.5 million coppies sold, and worldwide market is not talked about much but it makes a load of money sure eminems second album sold something like 5 million in america and worldwide sold like 18 million coppies. Even if all they sell is the 1.5 million coppies thats still a hell of a lot of money, even if they only get a few dollers off each record its a decent few million each. Its not going to get split 7 ways it will be 50 50 with jay and lpark cant see any situation where jay z would split it with them 7 ways.

Anyway turns out your right he has $286 million which im fairly supprised at.

Still the album is totally made for cash even if its just for the 50g as you say thats still nothing to say no too seeing as it took them no time or effort to make.

David19

Kristok wrote:

I think you missunderstand its 1.5 million coppies sold, and worldwide market is not talked about much but it makes a load of money sure eminems second album sold something like 5 million in america and worldwide sold like 18 million coppies. Even if all they sell is the 1.5 million coppies thats still a hell of a lot of money, even if they only get a few dollers off each record its a decent few million each. Its not going to get split 7 ways it will be 50 50 with jay and lpark cant see any situation where jay z would split it with them 7 ways.

Anyway turns out your right he has $286 million which im fairly supprised at.

Still the album is totally made for cash even if its just for the 50g as you say thats still nothing to say no too seeing as it took them no time or effort to make.

I don't believe those eminem figures. Who bought the 18 million? Irish and the english? Not many continental europeans buy eminems albums i imagine. Generally popular artists sell more albums in america than the rest of the world. Why do you think the american market is so coveted?
Decent few dollars off the album? they'd make maybe 1 dollar per album, 1.50 maybe. That'd be collectively. That'd be a pretty good deal. I'd say it is split 7 ways.
50gs is nothing to any of them! Especially jay-z. I did think he was worth more like 200-300 million. He must have a share in rocawear then. Jay-z couldnt even buy a chain for 50 grand.

Makaveli

I'd say Eminem sells very well in continental Europe, Germany especially.

David19

Enough to make 18 million? I don't think so but i could be wrong. I can't imagine he sold 5 in america and 13 everywhere else.

Makaveli

18 million I would very much doubt.
I'm sure it would plastered all over the cd case if the Marshall Mathers LP was 18x Platinum.

jesus_thats_gre

He is the second best selling Hip Hop artish ever already with 17+ million units sold. According to MTV Base anyway..

Makaveli

That would cover 4 albums though surely.
Who is the biggest selling HipHop artist? 2pac I suppose?

David19

Actually i'd say Eminem has sold more than that in total. He'd easily have sold 20 million over four albums I imagine. I just think the vast majority of those are american sales. 2pac is the biggest yeah. Snoop and jay-z are up their too.

Kristok

I read that on mtv.com just before the eminem show came out but cant find it on their site now. I found this site that says he sold 7 million in america and this site that says he sold 18 million copies of the marshall mathers cd. Its hard to find any info on worldwide sales as they are not quoted regularly. If you dont believe these sites (which i could understand as they are fairly dodgy looking) bbc.co.uk have him as selling 16million copies of marshall mathers lp but I am 100% sure it was 18 in 2002 and probably more now.

Eminem is the biggest selling rap artist of all time even bigger than 2pac, remember even people who dont like rap buy his records where as 2pac is only bought by rap fans and his biggest selling album of all time, all ayez on me only sold 11 million coppies and thats to date since he died. Its not just english speaking countries who buy eminem records like england and ireland but the whole world english and non english alike.

David 19 the american market is so coveted only by non american artists and because it is the single biggest market in the world. While eminem may have sold 18+ million coppies of that album 7 million in the states was the most in any single market, the rest are sold in countreis where it mainly sells allot less than a million coppies in each market.

Anyway im very supprised that jay z is worth that much frankly, his albums dont sell more than about 3 million at best, but I suppose with all the other pots he has his hands in the money builds up. Id love it if you can show me any proof that the linkin park get a 6/1 split with jay z cause it really seems odd to me as bands ususally get an equal share as one entity, just seems unlikly to me they would get so much more than jay z.

Who distrubites that album anyways def jam, rocafella ?!?

David19

Ok maybe that eminem stuff is true, fair enough. I didn't think he'd sell that much outside america. This isn't really relevant though, eminem is a lot more popular worldwide than jay-z or even linkin park.
Jay-z sold 5 million of volume 2. I don't think the black album topped that. Thats his biggest seller. The rest of his albums do between 2 and 5. Thats the point though, you don't make much money from record sales unless you're selling a huge amount.
I have no proof its split 7 ways, i just imagine thats the fair thing to do as they're all putting in the work.
Defjam and rocafella dont distribute the album afaik. Sure jay-z is president of def jam, if they did he'd probably make all the money lol.

Makaveli

Since when is Jay-Z president of Def Jam?

Kristok

Couple of weeks now, he sold his share of roca fella to def jam as did biggs and dash and then became president of def jam under la reid. Apparently dash and biggs are pissed off with jay z cause he got the rocafella records name and they wanted it. The artists on the roc went different ways, some to the new rocafella company and some with dash for his company.

Makaveli

I thought LA Reid was president of Arista.
Russell Simmons is president of Def Jam isnt he?

Kristok

Leor cohen was running def jam and Kevin Liles was president. Cohen and Liles are now running universal music group I think. I dont think russel simmons does much over there anymore. La reid has been running def jam for bout 6 months i think, he was the reason they bought out the roc.

FTA69

I saw a few extracts from the DVD on MTV Base the other day, tis good car music but tisn't what you'd call heavy by any means. Some colabs between rap and metal can be good ie Public Enemy v Anthrax

Winning Hand

Didnt like it at first listen, especially after spending $17 on six measly tracks but on subsequent listens i found it to be a much better mix of the songs than I initially thought. If it was a 10 tracker I would give it 4.5/5, otherwise 3.5 is the final score.

Seaneh

David19 wrote:

Enough to make 18 million? I don't think so but i could be wrong. I can't imagine he sold 5 in america and 13 everywhere else.

Shaggy's last album sold 14million...

the offsping were 16x plat with americana and 12x plat with smash.

the highest selling rapper is probably Jigga, he has a lot of albums abd love or hate him the majority of people in the industry regard him as "the best rapper alive".

Seaneh

Makaveli wrote:

That would cover 4 albums though surely.
Who is the biggest selling HipHop artist? 2pac I suppose?

Definatly his 4 albums together.

Seaneh

Kristok wrote:

I read that on mtv.com just before the eminem show came out but cant find it on their site now. I found this site that says he sold 7 million in america and this site that says he sold 18 million copies of the marshall mathers cd. Its hard to find any info on worldwide sales as they are not quoted regularly. If you dont believe these sites (which i could understand as they are fairly dodgy looking) bbc.co.uk have him as selling 16million copies of marshall mathers lp but I am 100% sure it was 18 in 2002 and probably more now.

Eminem is the biggest selling rap artist of all time even bigger than 2pac, remember even people who dont like rap buy his records where as 2pac is only bought by rap fans and his biggest selling album of all time, all ayez on me only sold 11 million coppies and thats to date since he died. Its not just english speaking countries who buy eminem records like england and ireland but the whole world english and non english alike.

David 19 the american market is so coveted only by non american artists and because it is the single biggest market in the world. While eminem may have sold 18+ million coppies of that album 7 million in the states was the most in any single market, the rest are sold in countreis where it mainly sells allot less than a million coppies in each market.

Anyway im very supprised that jay z is worth that much frankly, his albums dont sell more than about 3 million at best, but I suppose with all the other pots he has his hands in the money builds up. Id love it if you can show me any proof that the linkin park get a 6/1 split with jay z cause it really seems odd to me as bands ususally get an equal share as one entity, just seems unlikly to me they would get so much more than jay z.

Who distrubites that album anyways def jam, rocafella ?!?

Eminem isn't Rap I'd class him in the pop-hop catagory with nelly chingy and Ja Rule, 14 year old white girls who hate school bs.


As for who distrubits colission course it's MTV's inhouse label afaik.

Also Jay-z sells well in excess of 3 million copys of his albums in the states, sales of the black album were crazy same with blue print one and two and most of his others albums, he's an institution in the U.S.

David19

Seaneh wrote:

Shaggy's last album sold 14million...

the offsping were 16x plat with americana and 12x plat with smash.

the highest selling rapper is probably Jigga, he has a lot of albums abd love or hate him the majority of people in the industry regard him as "the best rapper alive".

You know Im talking about eminem right? Im a jay-z fan, I know how popular he is. I was just surprised eminem sold considerably more outside the U.S. 2pac is the biggest selling hip hop artist btw. Although Eminem will probably overtake him. Jigga is about 3rd or 4th afaik.