Using Unifi Cloud Gateway Fiber (or similar) in Dublin - options?

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123821887#Comment_123821887

It's just using Virgin's fibre to the handover where it would be brought onto the providers core network - Sky or Vodafone.

You would share a connection on all access networks, the split rate for XGS-PON is usually 64:1 and GPON is usually 32:1.

tazzzZ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123821915#Comment_123821915

I was onto VM during my cool off period (other providers were 10 quid cheaper per month) and they said they provide 1:1 and no other provider was offering that! At the time I just wanted to try get them to match the price and didnt bother following through on changing provider. Like i said I have no idea if they actually do and I didnt know enough at the time to argue more.

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123821961#Comment_123821961

Yeah that’s not correct, that’s not how XGS-PON works. They shouldn’t be saying that.

A 1:1 connection from Blacknight is €510pm for 1Gb -

https://www.blacknight.com/broadband/business/

Y2K2000

Hi @R75MM

Could I please ask how long after you had the VM fibre installed at your home were you able to order Sky?

I'm on the D6W/12 border, and VM has done a lot of groundwork around the area at their cabinets and installed fibre to my home almost two months ago. However, when I check the Sky/VF website, they still tell me that fibre is not available in my area!

Did you have to call Sky directly to order, or did your address appear on their site?

Thanks.

R75MM

Hi @Y2K2000 ,

Sorry I thought I replied to you earlier but I must not have tapped send.

It was about ONE YEAR from the time the cable was run under my gutters until the time it appeared on Virgin Media's website directly.

OpenEir ran cables more recently and they seem to have provisioned the service a lot quicker than VM Wholesale.

Hope this helps.

-R75

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123821961#Comment_123821961

Yeah they tried that with me too when I was cancelling - "you do know Digiweb share your connection with 32 other people"? As if they didn't, but I wasn't having it.

tazzzZ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123825275#Comment_123825275

Ye I thought they were full of ****… I just wasnt sure because I also hadnt heard VM were installing their own fibre. I had been on a SIRO line for 5 or 6 years.

kaahooters

save yourself the €100 and just get the max, your not doing anything that you need more then 1-2g for, like at all, not a dream of it with your current setup. its fun to have the stuff, but your not going to notice any diffrence betweek 1g and 5g, no home user will.

alex_r

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123803634#Comment_123803634

Sorry, I am curious what's wholesale and where does a regular customer buy that from? I thought you need to be a big ISP for that?

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916711#Comment_123916711

They're with Sky but using Virgin Media's network. Same as being on OpenEir, SIRO or NBI.

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916711#Comment_123916711

It's wholesale to Sky/Vodafone/Digiweb, not to the end customer. As @Glaceon said, like OpenEir/SIRO/NBI. You are then brought onto the provider's core network, in this case Sky.

R75MM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123916711#Comment_123916711

Correct, I purchased Sky Broadband directly from Sky; however they are using Virgin Media's wholesale fibre network.

As others have said 😁

-R75

alex_r

Oh, I see. Just never heard anyone call it like that in an end-customer context. I actually didn't know VM got their network updated to FTTH. 5 years ago when I was living on a different address, I was waiting 3 years for NBI and every year they would move the date. Eventually I left and two years after they finally connected my estate. Anyways, NBI and SIRO(Vodafone) were the only FTTH network. It's good we re getting more competitors this should make for more competitive prices. 2Gb/5Gb are still too expensive for now and maybe one day we will finally get symmetrical speeds.

Btw, does anyone know if NBI uses any of the OpenEir lines? Or why does SKY connect through PPPoE? I though NBI uses XGS-PON

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123921765#Comment_123921765

There’s the open access networks - OpenEir, SIRO, NBI, Virgin FTTP.

and then there is the retail providers - Eir, Sky, Vodafone, Digiweb etc.

The access network is connecting you the retail provider’s core network in most cases. So for example, Vodafone through NBI would have slightly different peering and latency compared to Digiweb through NBI.

PPPoE is being used on XGS-PON. All providers use PPPoE except Eir and Virgin, you can use IPoE with them.

Some retail providers don’t have access to some access networks. For example, you can’t get Eir through SIRO and you can’t get Virgin Media through OpenEir.

alex_r

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123921972#Comment_123921972

That's interesting about different peering and latencies. And who has the best?

Also, do you happen to know how Three FIber works? Need to connect one address(which currently has 3Business 5g Broadband Advanced) and Three sent me some connection details, but strangely enough they sent Sagemcom F5366s Fibre Box manual which has Eir logo on it. And that's despite the fact that the premise is connected by NBI. Im confused.

I heading there in a few days to install a new network setup(the whole Ubiquti shebang) and planning to remove their T3000 router and out UCG instead. Their support said I don't need any logins or anything it will jsut connect to their outside modem (MC7010). Then will have to go back and replace their new router(I assume this F5366 yoke) and wanna make sure I have it all ready. They did send me some settings for it as well but they are even more strange, they include External Gateway Address and username including o2 domain.

Any idea on how Three connects you to the fibre?

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123928293#Comment_123928293

It's really close between them all and would be different for each website/server, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Someone mentioned before that Three resells Eir fixed broadband so that would make sense. If that was the case, you use IPoE/Dynamic IP/DHCP as the connection type and set VLAN ID 10 in VLAN/IPTV settings.

Eir themselves also provide broadband through NBI, NBI just connects you to Eir's core network.

pizzahead77

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123928293#Comment_123928293

The MC7010 that you mention is an Outdoor CPE that connects the internal router (F5366s) to Three's 5G broadband.

So possibly the support agent was confused as to what the new setup is supposed to be?

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123928409#Comment_123928409

Three does offer fixed broadband to business customers. Has Three said they are switching them to NBI FTTP @alex_r?

A F5366s wouldn't be supplied with the MC7010, @alex_r mentioned it was a T3000.

Glaceon

I’ve come across Three’s business broadband but the ones I’ve seen were legacy O2 connections, they even used o2@o2.ie as the PPPoE username! IP range was a Three address but using Eir’s DNS somehow.

alex_r

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123928335#Comment_123928335

I was wondering, cause I'd like to tinker with the WAS-110 to circumvent ISP's ONT boxes, I heard you can get higher speed. Im on SKY at home, so they would be first I'd tinker with.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123928335#Comment_123928335

I dunno, I think the person I was talking to got a bit mixed up. The settings they sent me are really odd. Hence I am thinking maybe I should avoid their 3Business "Fibre" Broadband. It’s not just the old o2.ie login, but they’re also asking for Encapsulation: PPPoE, Multiplexing: LLC, VPI: 8, VCI: 35. That’s proper ADSL-era stuff. I’ll double-check with them of course, but it’s not exactly a great start for something that’s meant to be modern “fibre” broadband.

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929451#Comment_123929451

There's really no need to remove the ONT with a WAS-110, there would be no real benefit and is only needed for Virgin through Virgin's own FTTP network. There's also no guides or support for other providers here apart from Virgin at the moment.

You don't have to worry about most of that for FTTP but like all providers, except Eir and Virgin, you need to select PPPoE as the connection type and enter the Username and Password. You need to set VLAN ID 10 in VLAN/IPTV settings also.

@Glaceon has said the PPPoE Username was 'o2@o2.ie' before and by the sounds of what they've said you, it seems to still be the case.

alex_r

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123928597#Comment_123928597

They didn’t say that. There’s something Three needs to figure out. They’re apparently trying to find a landline number for the premises, which is another “WTF” moment in itself, if Im being honest. Once they do, they’ll let us know.

Looking at the specs for this F3566s router/modem, it seems they’re using all those old-school ADSL settings to connect through the old Eircom landline system. The more I dig into it, the more I feel like running away from this offer.

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929523#Comment_123929523

No it's most likely FTTP through NBI, that router is for FTTP also.

They are on the NBI list also - https://nbi.ie/where-can-i-buy/

There's lots of choice of providers through NBI anyway, if they didn't want to go ahead with Three.

alex_r

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929470#Comment_123929470

I expect the same will happen with the rest of the ISPs here in Ireland to be honest, they’ll start enforcing their own ONT/router boxes. It’d be nice to have a way around that. I don’t mind tinkering with it myself for research purposes of course :)

» You need to set VLAN ID 10 in VLAN/IPTV settings also.
There’s nothing about VLAN settings though, just ADSL stuff. I suspect they’re selling FTTC as FTTP.

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929564#Comment_123929564

No I would be fairly sure it's FTTP. VLAN ID 10 is needed for every provider here across all access networks so I would assume it's needed.

alex_r

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929568#Comment_123929568

I emailed them, let's see what they are going to come back with. Quite possible it could be a mix up. Even their email subject says "PPPoE for Fixed Line with Three". And honestly, there is nothing about VLAN ID.

NotShero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929583#Comment_123929583

Yes that's normal, PPPoE is needed. Eir also only lists DSL settings on their website and don't include that VLAN ID 10 is needed for FTTP. They give out this information to people who ask for settings, even when they are on FTTP.

https://www.eir.ie/helpandsupport/fibre-broadband/eir-fibre-box/modem/

Under "Can I use my own modem?"

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929470#Comment_123929470

Funny enough, Three no longer own the o2.ie domain, they let it lapse and someone else got it in 2020.

alex_r

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929607#Comment_123929607

And that's the thing, we have too many middlemen here. Three(ancient O2 bras/radius servers), Eir authentication infrastructure, NBI. If something goes wrong, it might take ages to fix or to find whose fault it is.

They sent us a contract today and they aren't really helping themselves here. The contract looks old and doesn't have a word about providing 1gb fibre, apart of marketing name 3Business Fibre Broadband and Line Type:NGA Fibre. but it has a lot of wording about providing fixed lines and contractual estimated maximum speeds up to 150Mpps by any means feasible, no mention of asymmetric fibre speeds. So in other words Three's contract doesn't bind them to provide FTTP or 1Gb speeds.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123929955#Comment_123929955

Exactly. It's not really a good indicator that they care about their fixed/fibre broadband offerings, cause if they did they wouldn't still be using ancient O2 auth servers that were designed for Eircom coper lines.