Tesla Talk 2

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123390825#Comment_123390825

And not just Tesla, any car brand.
Detection could send an alert to the app or indeed drop the windows.

drunkmonkey

a tad hard on ablelocks, it’s a useful feature and it’s not always the parents fault, I managed to lock myself in the boot of my dads car years ago on a hot sunny day…..it’s a long time ago but all I can remember was a lot ok kicking and a possible broken window to get me out. Kids are stupid.

Padraig Mor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123386986#Comment_123386986

Have this in my BYD. It's a pain in the hole TBH (or at least the BYD implementation, acknowledging that Tesla will probably do a better job). Sets off the alarm if there's basically anything at all left on a seat (I left a <1kg package last week - it went off), and also alarms if you're just sitting in the car, even if the car is switched on. Worst of all, it resets every time so if you turn it off (say, you don't have kids!) it's back on next time - even though it's not a mandatory safety system.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123390944#Comment_123390944

Have heard about this on the BYD as my brother mentioned it. Basically can’t leave someone sitting in the car and walk into the shop if you have the key, Tesla is very similar in that regard too in fairness.

Implementation of how the software detects a person may be key.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391316#Comment_123391316

When I am getting out of the cupras along with the 'goodbye, have you got your belongings' message, I get an option to turn off interior monitoring at that stage.

If it's only me and I'm leaving the dogs in the car going into a shop or something i select this.

So it's easily overcome if they put the proper thought into it.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391329#Comment_123391329

That’s the same with Tesla.
You can leave your phone in the car or you can turn on camp/dog mode.

The thing about people leaving kids in cars though, is that this won’t fix that. The pop up alert on the Cupra may have some chance of making a person re-check but in these cases, the people driving have some other issue that makes them forget the child.

I don’t know how it can be implemented perfectly so hopefully someone smarter than me is sorting it out 😂

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391417#Comment_123391417

No i was just saying it solves the problem of alarm going off if you dont want it to, response to the BYD comment about items left on seat being mistaken as occupancy.

As for leaving kids in cars, that's a bit bigger than we'll solve here!

Air conditioning remotely and while the car is switched off is a great feature of EVs overall though, both hot and cold.

sk8board

”Morgan Stanley number cruncher Adam Jonas reckons Tesla’s 12.5 per cent first-quarter gross auto margin, its lowest level in a dozen years, is lower than almost any big carmaker. It would point to a loss-making operating margin when the dealer cut that Tesla enjoys is stripped out. Unlike traditional carmakers, Tesla sells directly to customers, cutting out the middleman.”

MojoMaker

Stock up again.

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123390081#Comment_123390081

All adds to safety, it's not the same but my bZ4X reminds me to check the back seats when I turn it off.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392508#Comment_123392508

The problem with that kind of persistent/repeated message is that your brain will quickly learn to ignore it. A dynamic properly implemented dynamic warning is much more likely to be successful.

prosaic

Testing of autonoumous fsd is going on at present in Austin with something like 300 MY (with driver for safety). They are clocking up miles driven in order to eek out edge cases, "long tail" of unusual situations. They seem to be very strongly aiming to go live with 10 to 20 fully autonomous MY cars for June 1st but prehaps really aiming for before June 30th.

There will be a remote control room, but if I understand it right, this will be to take over where the car decides it needs help rather than as an intervention override.

Cybercab will be in production late this year or quite early next year.

The expectation is that cybercab will start contributing profit during 2026, as it rolls out to more cities in volume.

Fsd seems to be getting rolled out in China currently, possibly starting in India soon, possibly accepted in Netherlands in May/June and rest of EU soon after.

We wait and see, som of us more optimistic than the average contributer on here.

CMOTDibbler

FSD coming to a road near you Real Soon Now™ 🤣

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123395129#Comment_123395129

Real Soon! Within the next 100 years! Funding Secured!

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123396997#Comment_123396997

promising

prosaic

Tick, tick, tick.

We won't need to wait 100 years to see. More like a couple of months.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123397926#Comment_123397926

Couple of months… lol

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123397926#Comment_123397926

isn’t it happening in June? That’s 5 weeks away.

Tick tick tick indeed.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123398115#Comment_123398115

June, yes. But I won't tell you what year or decade!

pah

@prosaic love your optimism. I'll eat Elons MAGA hat if we see FSD IN Europe before the turn of the decade.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123400494#Comment_123400494

I think your hat is safe. 🤣

drunkmonkey

if this is meant to be camera based it’s never going to work. Having used Volvo and Tesla it’s not really going to work unless you use radar which I think Tesla doesn’t have..

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123401140#Comment_123401140

You need radar and lidar and camera.

If I had to pick 2 of 3 I'd pick the first two and leave out camera as it's the least reliable input. What does camera have going for it? Oh that's right… it's the cheapest by far!

sk8board

musk is refining photo film to be the best in the world, while ignoring the move to smartphones

JOL1

Far too simplistic, there are a lot of visual inputs that are relied upon, signage, lights. regardless of your views I doubt if there are any automobile manufacturers that are relying on lidar and radar alone without cameras to finalise FSD on a mass market level

prosaic

Humans don't have lidar, yet they manage. At distance over 10 m, we guage distance by visual only, not 3D.

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123406845#Comment_123406845

I think our eyes can process a lot more data than a 5MP camera.

SchrodingersCat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123406845#Comment_123406845

Can humans gauge distances? -yes, they can.
Are they more accurate than a simple laser range finder?
-no, they are not.

Because something is possible using humans, doesn’t mean it’s best approach for us to currently try and implement.

The technology currently isn’t there. If we are closer to solving the problem using laser and radar we should use that instead for now. Waymo have a better self driving experience using these technologies than what Tesla are offering.

There is a reason we put wheels on cars first instead of trying to put them on legs.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123406845#Comment_123406845

this is such a lazy argument - on the move, people are walking at 5-10kmph at most, and almost all footpath obstacles are obvious, usually fixed, and rarely if ever come at us fast enough that we can’t avoid, or maybe even killed.

Doing that at vehicle speeds, on roads where everyone is going the same speeds, is so utterly different.

prosaic

What's lazy? Humans using only eyes while driving?

We build a sufficient model of environment to plot a safe course. We depend on orderly behaviour enforced by rules. We can probably handle up to two things diverging from normal expected behaviour at one time. We employ some preemptive what-if caution, slowing down when something is suspect.

I don't see why a visual system would be fundamentally incapable of reproducing this kind of capability with suitable processing.