Would You Buy a Tesla.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271797#Comment_123271797

In fairness, you can make that argument about a lot of vehicles. Maybe the 3 is a bit cheap compared to, oh, a Honda Fit. But the Fit might seem a bit less nice inside than a Ford Mustang E. Which itself might seem a bit, well, unpleasant compared to a Mercedes C class, which isn't up to the par of an Audi A6 which itself is behind a BMW 7 series, and that's behind a Bentley….

Ultimately it comes down to what you want in a car and what you want to pay for it. If your only and sole focus is a cheap but reliable way of getting from A to B and don't much care about the control stalk or dashboard, there's something to be said for the 3. Of course, there are alternatives in that segment, but they have their pluses and minuses.

JJayoo

Would never touch one

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271784#Comment_123271784

Remember when it was a conspiracy theory to say that COVID came from a lab rather than a wet market in Wuhan? Which of course was always a fairly sensible argument to make and it turns out the conspiracy theorist's were right about that.

There is nothing wrong with being suspicious of Gates motives and his interference in agriculture, land ownership, food production and his funding of media around the world and his wish to influence government policy around the world.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271983#Comment_123271983

Were they Indeed? …..….

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271983#Comment_123271983

Hey, you must have missed this post, are you claiming that this is a non issue? Over 2 million deaths as a result of Musk's aimless cuts. Pretty sure you're not gonna find an equivalent with Gates etc.

Also I do think some of Gates's philanthropy is problematic however it's also grossly exaggerated by you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271053#Comment_123271053

Cluedo Monopoly

No chance. I'd be too concerned about losing second hand value because Musk/Trump giving it a bad name. Depreciation on them is already chronic. I don't particularly like their look/feel either, especially inside. Musk has already done enough damage with the pricing.

The EV market has enough problems as it is.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272038#Comment_123272038

Sorry you mean 2 million people have died in the last couple of months since DOGE was set up? Really?

The people saying this are the people employed in this sector so they really are not a trustworthy source.They just don't want to see their funding cut.

Also if these estimates are true then surely other countries and private donors can pick up the slack, I don't think the American government should ahve to fund foreign aid forever when they have plenty of issues in their own country to fix.

It's this sort of hysteria about investigating waste in charity/NGO sector which means nothing ever gets improved.

BTW I think every single subsidy that any of Musks companies get should be removed aswell.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272108#Comment_123272108

It absolutely is not hysteria, predicted deaths as a result of removing vital services is entirely valid. As the death toll starts to hit, you'll have a fresh excuse or conspiracy.

yagan

The comparison with VW and other German brands is a defence overlooks that they were companies that were subsumed by a fascist era, whereas Elon is using a car company profit to promote a new fascist era. .

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272119#Comment_123272119

Well then if these services are so vital other entities can pick up the slack or private donors can do it.

Why does the American government have to fund these oversea's aid programmes, let some other country do it now.

In 2023 USAID confirmed they had donated $200 million to India for COVID relief .India is a country which has a nuclear arms programme, gigantic military spending and which is supposed to be a new economic powerhouse.

This is clearly unneccesary spending that could be corrected, India shouldn't be receiving any foreign aid they should be looking after themselves.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272157#Comment_123272157

And blanket removals of such services suddenly will cost a lot of lives. So not exactly something that should be celebrated.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272157#Comment_123272157

Cost of everything, value of nothing.

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272395#Comment_123272395

In Norway Toyota seem to be the biggest benefactor from consumers dumping Tesla.

almostover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272140#Comment_123272140

Diesel gate occurred less than 20 years ago. VW knowingly cheated the emissions tests leading to thousands of respiratory illnesses and deaths.

I doubt much of the lithium being mined for any EV car currently is being done very ethically......

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272415#Comment_123272415

Add to that the way emissions standards for sedans moved buyers towards SUVs and trucks which are far more damaging but have more exemptions as sports and utility vehicles.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272173#Comment_123272173

It won;t cost lives.

You say "From This date the funding will be removed, you need to find other sources by then".

Other groups can then pick up the slack.

No need for any aid to be given to India as a country yet US Aid was giving $200 million for COVID relief alone, this is an example of colossal waste that if I was an American taxpayer I'd be wanting to eradicate.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272381#Comment_123272381

What value is there to America to be giving aid to India which is a supposed rich and powerful country these days.

Why can't India look after itself?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272438#Comment_123272438

The New York Times and the likes have concluded it absolutely will cost lives. John Oliver had a similar segment a few weeks back, it included a news clip where sexual health clinics literally got shutdown over night. So no Jack, you're entirely wrong and people will die as a direct result of Musk's aimless cost cutting. You just aren't willing to admit to it.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272462#Comment_123272462

Maybe then on hearing this we'll get people who care about all this giving their wealth away to fill the gap.We know he's cutting costs so why don't all the concerned people cobble together funds and bail out any entity that has had it's funding cut.

John Oliver earns about $30 million per annum so perhaps he should pick up the slack if he cares so much.

We'd find out very quickly how much people really care and now many of these services are actually necessary.To pretend their isn't waste in the NGO/Charity sector is nonsense and to pretend that all the money USAID spends is necessary is nonsense also.

Once government funding is provided without question for any NGO and Charity it reduces the incentive to actually fix the issue and it becomes an ongoing never ending crisis that people can make nice careers for themselves out of.

Look at the continual waste in this sector in Ireland , you;d be naive to think it's any better in the USA.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272487#Comment_123272487

I guess at least you've moved on from claiming nobody will die. It ultimately boils down to you really not caring how many people die as a result of pulling vital services over night.

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271818#Comment_123271818

Oh I totally agreed with that, Tesla were absolutely right in understanding that, at a certain price point, customers would rather spend money on a battery and powerful motor than on other luxuries.

I'm in a position where I do enough driving that the luxuries are important to me, but not so much that I really care about fuel economy (I do pay the equivalent of €1.15/L so it's not free either!).

Still, it's a very hard car to ignore in the market, and the some of the reason those small things get to me is that I've strongly considered one.

D-Lo Brown

I probably wouldn't have anyways. But I absolutely wouldn't now. I've disliked this guy for a few years but I detest him now. A slimeball. I hope he crashes and burns (figuratively speaking)

kneemos

No indication stalks is enough for me not to buy one.

El Gato De Negocios

No, for the simple reason that i think they are an exceptionally ugly vehicle.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272487#Comment_123272487

The GDP of the world, is $106.2 trillion there or thereabouts. The GDP of the USA is easily the biggest country's GDP @ 27.72 trillion or thereabouts. 26.1% of the worlds GDP (or thereabouts) is from the USA. Do I think this means the US has a responsibility to the other 194 countries in the world? Yes I absolutely do. If we're in a position to help those less fortunate than us, then we should absolutely help them.

(The Indian GDP is 3.5 trillion or thereabouts - so yeah, I have no problem with the US sending over 200 million (a drop in the ocean at 0.000722% of the United States GDP (or thereabouts) if it saved a few thousand lives.)

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123272401#Comment_123272401

Are they?

Where did you see this, January figures?

Tom Sanders

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123268678#Comment_123268678

He did it twice though. If it were I give my heart to you, it would be palm up. He has endorsed a Nazi party in Germany. I don't believe it's a coincidence. And he loves annoying the 'woke left'. So I think he did a salute that was just a tiny bit different in order to allow himself deniability.

Most of the people who were trying to defend him tried to say that it was a Roman salute.

dxhound2005

India is also a big donor of foreig aid. When the USA was in great need, India stepped in.

Washington, DC
September 17, 2005

An Indian Air Force IL-76 aircraft delivered 25 tonnes of relief supplies for the Hurricane Katrina victims at the Little Rock Air Force Base, Arkansas on September 13, 2005. The relief supplies comprised 3000 blankets, bed sheets, tarpaulins and personal hygiene items. Brig General Kip Self, Station Commander of the Air Force Base, received the IAF’s IL-76 aircraft. 
IAF’s IL-76 took off from Palam airport on September 10, 2005 and reached USA via Muscat, Cairo, Lisbon, Lajes and Boston. The aircraft returned to India on September 17, 2005 following the same route as inbound. The Indian Ambassador in Washington earlier presented a cheque of US Dollars 5 million to the U.S. Red Cross on September 8, 2005 as aid to Katrina victims on behalf of the Indian government.

New Scottman

Can’t afford it.

if I had the money, I’d buy a Tesla to p*ss off the Left.

_Kaiser_

I buy my cars based on my needs and wants. Reliability, running costs, spec/features etc etc.. I couldn't give a toss about who the CEO is of the company that made it or their politics.

This personalisation of everything based on overactive social media usage/trends is frankly ridiculous and immature. Twitter, Tik Tok, Facebook or whatever else isn't reality. This is not America either no more than it's Gaza or anywhere else that it's fashionable to be upset about for some.

There's real problems and worthy causes right here if people need a crusade.