Would You Buy a Tesla.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269475#Comment_123269475

A "non issue" that will lead to the death of thousands of people should never, ever be considered a "non-issue".

However, to use your words, throwing TRILLIONS of dollars at defence, annually for decades with no resolution to the issues but thinking we should continue doing this is insane.

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269499#Comment_123269499

Well the maths us certainly adds up, and we're older than you. However I'd be as happy with a PHEV, best of all worlds where you can get the benefit of cheap nighttime electricity rates for the daily commutes and then not having to rely on recharging for long journeys. That's where I see the Irish market settling in the long run.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269475#Comment_123269475

You saying they're a non issue is more just your personal opinion though. It will cost lives and suddenly dropping such funding is pretty catastrophic. I think Musk actively influencing wars and threatening an exit of NATO is pretty sinister TBH and it is actively endangering global security.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269335#Comment_123269335

Must be very old Tesla's they're being put on 😉

I find it hard to believe anyone who's spent any time watching Musk, his interviews, his tweets and the video of him twice throwing a HH would seek to excuse any of his behaviour.

The lad who 100% didn't throw 2 Nazi salutes in succession also just happens to have done his utmost to support the AfD in the German elections, just a coincidence.

As is the open support for Putin, Orban and Manifest Destiny 2.0 🤔

Flaneur OBrien

Anybody that still supports Musk or buys his products, or uses his services, absolutely falls into the bracket of someone who, "knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing".

freshpopcorn

Even tough I wouldn't be his biggest fan having that big screen to control everything would turn me off more.

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269648#Comment_123269648

Plus we don't know if Musk in a pique of vengence may send out dodgy software updates to bork his cars in Europe.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269510#Comment_123269510

I agree, there is so much money thrown at defence spending around the world that is wasted.

If it were up to me, Europe, the west etc would never go near the middle east, the amount of money and lives squandered on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars was a disgrace.

French Toast

I wouldn’t buy a Tesla. Nor could I care much less about Musk and his childish antics.

AMKC

NO. There are better electric cars out there with HUDs and driver displays instead of the rubbish no dash design of the rubbish frumpy looking Teslas. Horrible cars.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269440#Comment_123269440

Conspiracy theory garbage.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123270010#Comment_123270010

Go easy. At least he’s giving the hits and not trying new material.

3DataModem

He owns 12.8% of the company.

Whomever thinks Tesla = Elon and Elon = Tesla is just a simpleton, as in, someone who only looks at the world in a very simple manner.

silliussoddius

But his net worth is tied up in the valuation of Tesla, they’re valued much higher than many major car companies despite lower sales. He also has stakes in Space X, the brain chip company and his AI company (don’t forget his notions of twitter being an everything app). These companies valuations seem to be driven by the Silicon Valley idea of blitz scaling, and by his delusional promises (tied to Tesla) that haven’t been delivered. The no show of these products plus his recent behavior is finally revealing what a clown he is, the upcoming book linked below is well timed.

Of course the same media criticizing him now could have easily dug into his bullsh1t back in the day.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/author-upcoming-elon-musk-biography-040538098.html

Retr0gamer

If you do a fascist "Roman" salute and endorse AfD you are a fascist and I can't support that. If you say he isn't the you are just factually wrong Not like there's a shortage of electric cars to choose from.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123270010#Comment_123270010

Nah.This is a man who funds numerous media all over the world so the likes of yourself can fall for the supposed nice guy reputation he's tried to put out them about themselves.

Musk funds Media = He's a tyrant

Gates does the same and not a peep from people.

All these billionaires are a bad as each other, they're all power hungry, they all have inflated sense of their own abilities and think they are experts in everything.

pale rider

Not a chance, like it or not Tesla is now a statement purchase and I’m not a supporter.

littlefeet

slightly joking before anyone loses their reason, buying or not buying a tesla will become a signifier so those opposed to fascism should buy Tesla to negate them becoming a signifier for the right or fascists.

There are better EV out there.

cars become symbols that represent values and ideologies

Strumms

look at the latest range. One of the major issues i have with them, is the interior. Unimaginative and cheap looking..

Flaneur OBrien

https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ?si=50l30jmarp8H86dX

This is going to do some big numbers. And it won't be good.

Video showing how the absence of lidar or radar and only relying on one RGB is asking for trouble. It also didn't see a child in heavy rain and fog

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271003#Comment_123271003

No buttons or dials. All on the bloody IMAX screen.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269475#Comment_123269475

The New York Times is the first to put out comprehensive estimates on the cost of a year without U.S.A.I.D. and they’re much higher than I thought.
- 1.65 million deaths from AIDS
- 500,000 from lack of vaccines
- 550,000 from lack of food aid
- 290,000 from malaria
- 310,000 from TB

Do you still consider the USAID a "non-issue" after seeing this?

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271053#Comment_123271053

Approximately 4 million dead. The crippling of American soft power and trust in the word of the "west". All to fuel unevidenced conspiracy theories pushed by a Ketamine junkie…

The most impactful arm of US foreign policy and it's been obliterated. Millions will die but sure what does it matter as long as "NGO bad" conspiracy is defeated.

I hope justice is eventually served upon those that enabled and enacted this murderous horror. I doubt it ever will be though.

silliussoddius

Also the man who sees himself as saving humanity boasted about feeding it into the wood chipper.

Terrlock

I just think the market is starting to get competative now. For a while there Telsa where the only real player in the game if you wanted an half decent electric car, however now with options from almost all manufacturers then I think the simplistic dash and screen with no hud would be a big turn off for many people that like a decent dash on their cars. For me I still think electric cars haven't matured enough and are still too expensive with worries about long term value for me to go out and get any of them yet. But Musks reputation wouldn't be the factor that puts me off buying on at all.

almostover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123269204#Comment_123269204

You'd never again buy a car if you choose based on the morality of the manufacturer.

Porsche, who designed the people's car for Hitler. Or VW, who made it, post war.

VW who lied about diesel emissions and contributed to respiratory illness and death worldwide.

BMW, who made motorbikes and aero engines for the Nazi war machine. I've been to their museum in Munich and they have an entire wing dedicated to their wartime efforts. But they do show contrition about it in the museum.

Mitsubishi, made aero engines for Japan in WWII. Mostly likely powered the planes which dropped bombs on Pearl Harbour.

Rolls Royce, made aero engines that powered planes that were used to firebomb Dresden.

Ford, founded by a massive anti-semite who had Irish ancestry.

Pretty much any car manufacturer has blood on their hands in some way.

The new Chinese EV manufacturers in the market treat their workers really well I'm sure.

If you're not buying a Tesla solely because of Elon being a giant areshole, you'd want your head checked.

Choose car you can afford that suits your needs and forget making political statements.

Or else get a pushbike....

Edit: To answer the question. I'd only buy an EV if it was new or nearly new. And I can't afford anything that new. My current car meets my needs and costs me very little to run.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123271580#Comment_123271580

94% of Germans said they would not buy a Tesla going forward. The brand's popularity is rapidly diminishing so yep, pretty clearly I'm not alone. 🙂

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123270658#Comment_123270658

I actually don't like Gates (what MS got up to in the 80s and 90s was shocking) but he's long left the company. I acknowlege his philanthopy. But he's now just a hate figure for right-wing mouth-foamers and weirdo conspiracy whack jobs - mainly because he promotes life-saving vaccination and the whack jobs hate that.

Hotblack Desiato

The VW talk is bollocks. The current VW company was established by the British Army.

kirving

I live in the US and can lease a Tesla Model 3 for about 1/3rd the price as I could in Ireland.

Musk would put me off somewhat, but the real issue I have with them is absolutely every single component is pared down to be as cheap as possible.

No indicatior stalk, window switches that don't have a double-click action, creaky plastic seat material, buttons instead of door handles, no HUD option, no surround view camera option, no ultrasonics - and that's before the terribly harsh suspension.

When you peel away the layers of what makes a car a nice place to sit, Model 3's are missing the basics.

I've driven a Cybertruck too - and the steer-by-wire feels like the steering wheel you'd have on a 20yo arcade game in Leisureplex.