How much will I save when I go EV?

monseiur

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123241641#Comment_123241641

I find it rather amusing that, in comparison to drivers of ICE cars, EV owners are very defensive almost hypersensitive when any aspect of EV motoring is challenged, disagreed with or questioned - be it cost, trade in value, battery range, battery lifespan, safety, reliability etc. etc. All concerned circle the wagons and try to silence/cancel those of us who (in their eyes) have the audacity, impertinence, insolence and rudeness to put our head above the parapet (or dash board 😁) and ask a question or express what they regard as a negative opinion. Sometimes admitting and/or accepting the truth can be painful even unbearable so it's easier to shoot the messenger.

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123244161#Comment_123244161

Agreed. The I5 was priced between €83k and €120k at the time - far too much imo for a car with 20% less range than a Model3 or an Ioniq6.

I never bought new until I went fully electric, I always brought in high spec 12-18 month old imports from the UK in the €40k to €50k range...that's what my annual savings numbers are based off...so it's a "like for like" comparison on in terms of initial purchase price, not in terms of the spec of the car.

pgriggy

Depending on daily km you probably don't need to fork out for a dedicated home charger right away either. We do anywhere from 40-50km per day and just charge overnight off the regular plug. It's inconvenient the few days we need to do additional driving back and forth to Dublin but generally we get a good 30-35% overnight at the reduced rate from 11pm - 8am. (ID.4 52 kwh battery)

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123244485#Comment_123244485

Had you presented your post as opinion, you wouldn't have written it as fact. Here on the EV forum, we see the same bar stool comments all the time and its just become a lot easier over time to shoot down those unsubstantiated claims and comments, because EVs have come a long way in recent years and even the first Nissan Leafs from 2011 with the worst battery chemistry and no thermal management are still perfectly useable vehicles that had a range of ~120km average when new and still have 60-100km of range depending on mileage and how the battery was treated.

Every other commercially produced EV has been better than those Leafs and take it from me…maintenance is less and anyone who says the battery is more expensive than the car and keeps a straight face is either a great poker player, or just stupid. Don't believe that nonsense fetched from the extreme fringes of the interweb.

Don't take it personally. You're not the messenger of truth. You're not challenging anything, you're just posting stuff based on incorrect assumptions and FUD.

Buddy Bubs

Put it this way, this week in work i was working out what to change a 2016 diesel ford focus van with....the options were a new focus van, a vw golf van, a Corolla hybrid van, all costing in the region of 30k + vat

In the end we decided on a vw id buzz costing 7k more and the numbers stack up pretty well in favour of the more expensive buzz

MojoMaker

That a new Buzz?

monseiur

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123245455#Comment_123245455

Buzz looks good in two tone …for a few dollars more. Good luck with it & safe driving.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123245897#Comment_123245897

no, a commercial buzz cargo

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123246162#Comment_123246162

It is a 2 tone one. It definitely makes it look better alright.

It will also be getting our company livery wraps, haven't decided on final design yet..

forumdedum

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123238120#Comment_123238120

My question was related to how much of the new car loan I could pay off with the savings on fuel if that makes sense.

forumdedum

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123239940#Comment_123239940

I own the diesel yes. I am considering Higher Purchase or PCP and honestly don't know what is best. I am happy to look at Credit Union or bank loan if more savings etc.

fits

the car finance offers are usually much cheaper in terms of interest than banks or credit unions. I think pcp is brilliant tbh as long as you understand it.

forumdedum

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123248251#Comment_123248251

Thank you, I bought last car new on PCP, not certain I understood it but all worked out ok thankfully

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123248234#Comment_123248234

ok so factor in the cost of finance or loan vs no finance or loan on the paid for diesel car to get a true cost of running the EV.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123249626#Comment_123249626

He's not looking for the "true cost of running the EV", he's looking for the potential net cost of borrowing Vs the fuel savings.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123248222#Comment_123248222

MojoMaker

The finance outlay would be the same if he was switching to a new diesel, time to change the record @tom1ie

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123249691#Comment_123249691

Agreed but he’s looking for the cost to change from a debt free diesel to a new EV.
Does not matter if the new car is an EV or runs on diesel petrol or cheerios- the fact is the cost of the loan has to be factored in as a cost to run the car vs the cost of no loan.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123249748#Comment_123249748

I've literally quoted him and yet you persist with this.

forumdedum

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123249626#Comment_123249626

I don't want to spend any more money on the diesel and it's mileage is very high

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123250004#Comment_123250004

Fair enough.

FazyLucker

If the OP doesn't mind, can I ask a different question?

My question is is there any reality to me going EV any time soon.

Scenario:

1. Spend €1200 a year on fuel.
2. Cycle to work, wife uses public transport.
3. Cycling is my main form of transport, car only moves when it isn't an option.
4. Live within walking distance of most shops, etc so need for car is nothing major. Children walk to school.
5. Bulk of driving is ferrying children to activities at weekends and occasional visits outside Dublin (max 200km round trip typically)
6. Don't have off-street parking so installation of charging point is a problem.

I don't see any situation where I will be getting an EV any time soon, even though my car use would be perfect for it and I would like to from an emissions perspective I don't see that upfront cost being worth it.

Is there anyone who thinks otherwise or that I am missing something?

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123266273#Comment_123266273

I think in this case, when the time is right for you to change your car, change to an EV. Don't change for the sake of it, unless you really want one, and.its OK if you do, I changed because I wanted EV.

As for upfront cost, there's plenty of used EVs out there for small enough money, ID3 being from current generation now under 15k, plenty of others too, ID4 won't be far behind if you want a bigger one. I picked VW here because they had their cars out early and being a few years old now, the prices are low. Other brands following suit.

You don't have to drop 40k to go EV.

Paul Kiernan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123244485#Comment_123244485

The reason you may be getting that impression is that EV drivers know, from their own experience, that there is no longer any real argument against EV's and that most arguments that are put forward are based on misinformation or lack of knowledge e.g.

You won't be able to sell it in 5 years time.

You need a second car for long journeys.

It'll need a new battery costing 20 grand in 8 years time.

You won't be able to find a charger when you need one.

The fact is, anyone buying an ICE now instead of an EV is almost certainly making a mistake. An EV is cheaper, cleaner, quieter, more comfortable, easier to drive, ….

Woodie40

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123266458#Comment_123266458

What about those that can’t charge at home?

Public charging is just as expensive as Petrol/Diesel.

Paul Kiernan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123266471#Comment_123266471

You're right. That is a very good point and one I overlooked. Although it's probably the minority of car owners. It really is an area where a huge national effort should be made to ensure charging is available at domestic rates in all residential car parks.

pauly58

We're buying our first EV next month, a Hyundai Inster, just retired, do around 10k a year, no long journeys just shopping. On the test drive we were really impressed with the car, good price as well. Hopefully it should work out cheaper to run as well.

I can't see it would pay if you had to rely on public chargers only & if you did a lot of long journeys stopping to charge would put me off.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123266273#Comment_123266273

Without the capability to install a charger it makes no sense.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123266631#Comment_123266631

I missed the part about no charger....yeah i agree with you, public charging as your main source would be a pain

loopymum

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123266273#Comment_123266273

If you can't install a home charger. Don't get an ev

FazyLucker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123268975#Comment_123268975

Yeah that's my own gut feeling to be honest. As the user said above, public EV charging being just as expensive as petrol is a killer of the justification really.

Maybe it'll change over time but I don't see a scenario any time soon where it'll happen because the people who create the infrastructure will want a return on their investment.

Pity as I'd like to switch when my current car runs out of life. But I don't do big mileage either so not really an armageddon!