Application rejected due to being 4 minutes late

skinny90

She fell at the first step. Why overlook it or try wiggle an exception? Learn from this.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158123#Comment_123158123

If they had enough people they wouldn't have advertised a job in the first place.

They have to adhere to a whole load of red tape that can be scrutinized after the fact. So they have lengthy bureaucratic processes they have to follow and record. So if audited they can demonstrate the process and records if same.

Would you prefer they not do that?

It's excessive but that's they do it, and that's why it takes ages. They'll pick a panel and wait for it to be available before processing applications.

Time works differently there.

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158403#Comment_123158403

She received an email from them 45 minutes later (See post #4). Odd if they finished before she submitted it.

witchgirl26

OP unless the department she was applying for laid out the timelines for response from them & they didn't meet that, you can't give out about the 10 weeks part. They set a deadline for applications, it was missed. If they had said they'd respond to all applicants in 2 weeks & waited the 10 weeks, maybe something to argue but unless that was stated, they can take as long as they like.

Look it is harsh but they have the deadlines in place for a reason. And unless you're working in there, you might not be fully aware of the exact reasoning but it's there. If she hadn't been aware of the deadline (the time itself not the day) in advance, that would be one thing but she was.

I looked at applying for a public sector job at one point. It was a day before the deadline. Application form was 18 pages. I started it, realised I was never going to get there in terms of getting a good application ready so left it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158123#Comment_123158123

A small mistake can have huge knock on effects though. Switch 2 numbers in the financial accounts - it's a small mistake sure but massive impact. Miss the deadline for paying the VAT for a company by an hour, yep small but could result in fines or penalties. Don't get to your gate for a flight until 4 minutes after its due, you're not getting on the plane. Small mistake, big impact. Deadlines are there for a reason.

And in terms of how long they took to go back to her - you don't know what was going on in the background. Maybe they didn't realise they hadn't replied back to her as they'd replied back to the successful ones. Maybe they there was a funding issue for the role so they held off for a bit on contacting anyone. Unless, as I said above, they had provided expected timelines for hearing back, they have not breached any deadline or anything. I do think they could have communicated it sooner, course, but they weren't necessarily under an obligation to.

Donald Trump

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Charles Babbage

In the electronic age this kind of thing is ridiculous. All closing times should be midnight, not a lottery of noon, 3pm, 5pm or whatever you are having yourself. Nobody seriously processes this things until the next day anyhow so these cut off times are pointless. An organisation seriously concerned with getting the best staff would not have these gotcha deadlines, but HR departments are entirely unconcerned with getting the best staff.

Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158545#Comment_123158545

So she submits it at 00:04 instead of midnight. Is that still a “gotcha” time?

Missing a deadline is a bad sign. I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess the role isn’t a very senior position. So adhering to a very basic requirement of submitting an application on time is not an unreasonable requirement.

It’s frankly weird that anybody sees anything wrong in what the organisation did.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158562#Comment_123158562

No, 0:04 is a different day, that is perfectly clear.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158545#Comment_123158545

End of business I'd suggest is more reasonable as a general rule. Though I guess some times favour different circumstances. Someone working might find 5pm a bit unfair.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158491#Comment_123158491

The ignore button is useful for filtering out people determined to derail every thread.

Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158618#Comment_123158618

they can submit the application at any time the day before, or, as likely, the week before too. When the deadline occurs is immaterial really. Everyone had plenty of time to submit, and everyone had the same deadline.

There is nothing unfair here at all

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158562#Comment_123158562

How about advertising a deadline as being on or before Friday 14th February.

But then at the bottom in the small print specifying a cut off time as being 00:04.

COB would be usual and expected. Yes she could have checked but it was not an unreasonable assumption by real world norms.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158630#Comment_123158630

kinda reminds me of that hoary old chestnut of 'read the entire exam paper before starting' and there's an instruction at the very end saying not to proceed with any questions.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158649#Comment_123158649

Yeah maybe. It's a mix of HR being HR and admin people being admin people.

Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158636#Comment_123158636

and assigning a specified time of 3pm is not unreasonable either.

It could have been 5pm, 5:30pm (different places have different COBs) or midnight. I’ll say again the actual time is irrelevant.

The same time was applied to everybody, so the process was fair. It doesn’t matter if you, me or the woman’s father who posted here think that is optimal or ridiculous. It is fair, and that should be the end of it

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158630#Comment_123158630

I didn't intend to infer there was.

I do find public jobs and the jobs on it, a bit inconsistent with how they publish and present job details. There's a smorgasbord of processes and forms.

Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158672#Comment_123158672

The original question posed was “how is this fair?”

That’s all I was answering really.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158668#Comment_123158668

That's ok. You'd be fine with a 00:04 cut off. I would think that most would think that time would be silly at best.

bren2001

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bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158545#Comment_123158545

Midnight in which timezone? CET or GMT?

If they aren't processing until the next day then why not set the deadline at 4am?

I think it is incredibly unfair where you are setting this deadline.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158678#Comment_123158678

Of course it's fair. The requirements were there in black and white and she was fully aware of them. If it was really that big a deal it wouldn't have been left to the last second.

Maybe the OP could look at it this way, imagine his daughter said "it's not perfect but I'm at the deadline" and hits send at 2.55 pm.

But another "working mother looking around for a better job for improve one-self" takes a bit more time over her application, catches a couple of spelling mistakes, tidies it up and submits a better application… and gets the job, despite it being late.

The person who follows the process loses out, the person who did not is rewarded.

Would that be fair?

ledwithhedwith

I’d be fairly annoyed at the 10 weeks to hear that it wasn’t accepted. But I’d have sent out an email if I knew it was 4 mins late asking was it accepted.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058395621/application-rejected-due-to-being-4-minutes-late

Just write in and say that it was sent just before 3pm but there was internet connectivity issues, I know one who had theirs accepted after this.

Esel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159436#Comment_123159436

Date/Time sent on the e-mail will derail your plan.

Charles Babbage

Midnight, Irish time.

All I said was there should be a date but not a time, it is hardly unreasonable or complicated.

StormForce13

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159436#Comment_123159436

In other words, embark on your new career by telling an easily detectable lie to your prospective employer. Guaranteed to succeed.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159436#Comment_123159436

Procedure stating that it's your responsibility to manage your Internet connectivity and get your application in before the deadline will derail your plan.

Mirafiori

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123157310#Comment_123157310

That's the fundamental reason they adhere rigorously to stated deadlines. The alternative is a hellscape that would allow arbitrary treatment of individuals and create decisions for staff that are impossible to make fairly. It's not really that missing one deadline can be taken to indicate unsuitability or laxity, or that it would be supremely unfair to those who submitted on time or that they start working on sorting and reviewing applications immediately.

wench

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159630#Comment_123159630

They close it during office hours so that there will be somebody there to support the system accepting the applications.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159436#Comment_123159436

Ya, I'm guessing that you don't have much potential for a career in fraud! The routing information can be checked so it would be a dumb idea as all you would do is demonstrate that you are untrustworthy and not particularly good at it at that ;-)

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160092#Comment_123160092

There is some merit in that excuse, if there was in fact anyone doing anything substantial to support the system.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123159430#Comment_123159430

in fairness after 10 weeks if I’ve heard nothing I assume it’s a no

bren2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161144#Comment_123161144

With publicjobs? I wouldn't assume its a no after 10 weeks of silence.

However, if I submitted my application late, I would have followed up immediately. I would not have waited. They'll reject all candidates who dont meet the next phase/get shortlisted at the same time. 10 weeks is just sometimes how long it takes.

In the private sector, I've applied for jobs and never heard anything back.

noodler

All I'll say, in their defence, is that it takes a ludicrously long time to progress PS/CS recruitment campaigns and they have to draw a line or risk the whole process taking even longer to complete.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160150#Comment_123160150

Email headers can be spoofed. Not the last one along the way, but the earlier ones can. i.e. you can only trust the information pertaining to the last "stop" on the way.

I could send you an email now with yesterdays date and it would likely appear in whatever client you are using as if it arrived in yesterday. You wouldn't even notice it.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160150#Comment_123160150

I am sorry but you are being ridiculous.

ledwithhedwith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161144#Comment_123161144

well ya don’t know the civil service so😂

Frost Spice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161144#Comment_123161144

Maybe, but I think the public sector would be more likely to issue a generic "you were unsuccessful" email.

I applied for a public role whose closing date was late November. My application hasn't even been reviewed yet!

Gumbo

So the homepage of public jobs has some featured jobs.

The main front screen gives you the day and date of the application window. That should prompt a candidate to read the info book which states the exact time on said date.

If people are really blaming the organisation for this and not the candidate then they need their heads examined.

If a candidate cannot comprehend this then maybe they can’t comprehend the role in which they are looking at. Public service or civil service jobs get a lot of stick but they have clear rules like this that will stand up legally should the need be. And you have to follow the process unfortunately when working in public office.

The same people would be moaning if they found out toms son got the job or toms cousin applied late but got the job. We either want clean open and transparent rules or we don’t.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161523#Comment_123161523

This - the jobs are advertised weeks in advance, any job I've applied for I've read the description at least twice to make sure I understand the requirements

If I only saw the application at the last minute and I really wanted the job I would be going out of my way to make sure I got it done ASAP and not spend two days filling a form in online

Submitting an application at the last possible moment really does not give a good impression to your work ethic and Public Jobs even send out a reminder email with all the details prior to the closing date to all applicants who expressed an interest or started the application

No excuse really for not doing what was required

SNNUS

Life lesson, move on.

Newbie12345The

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161559#Comment_123161559

Used to work in a hr department and it amazes me people still fire in applications minutes before the deadline - if you were serious, you'd have thrown it in a day or two at least before hand - most are up a fortnight

Trampas

So if the OP thinks 4 minutes is fine. When do think the cut off should be? 5 minutes, 30 minutes, 2 hours?

Dayor Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161523#Comment_123161523

I agree with the rest of the posters here. But I have an issue with that notice …. no excuse for putting only the closing date on the main notice and then 3 pm in the small print. If the 3 pm deadline is that important it should be up front with the date - closing date 13/2/2025 at 3 p.m. Why not spell it out? Inevitable that some will miss the small print …. yes you can argue about that but it doesn't need to be a puzzle.

mada999

getting nothing from Oliver…

poor enough showing from us….

Mannesmann

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123164528#Comment_123164528

Why do people leave it to the last minute?

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123164644#Comment_123164644

What other important specifics should be added the the space limited graphic?

If the person applying hasn't the cop on to read the accompanying documentation in full what else have they missed?

Expectation levels here and blaming someone else for your own mistakes are off the charts.

Capt'n Midnight

Results of Indian School Exams in 2013 It's not a Bell curve. There are gaps at grade boundaries.

This is what can happen when exceptions become the norm.

Esel

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Esel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123164933#Comment_123164933

Wrong thread?