New Irish Housing Starts - Way Below Target *Read OP for Mod Warning*

Francie Barrett

https://www.independent.ie/business/fewer-than-30000-houses-were-built-last-year/a74798677.html

Giving the Béal na Bláth oration in Cork last August, the then Taoiseach Simon Harris said: “This year, we will exceed our housing targets with almost 40,000 homes built.”

Claim from Simon Harris a few months ago

Fewer than 30,000 houses were built in Ireland last year, according to new figures from Construction Information Services (CIS). It says just 29,136 residential units were completed, with a particular fall in the border regions.

The reality.

Housing demand continues to vastly outpace supply. Is it a case that the government are unable to get to grips with the housing crisis, or is it that they are unwilling? There are a lot of vested interests in this country who would have their feathers ruffled if house price demand/inflation was brought under control.

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j62

Its not just hard to get builders and prices of materials is high but I know of cases where locals can’t even get planning permission in first place

The whole system from government to local councils to quangos to investment to utilities are hostile to new homes in a country with highest population growth rate in Europe

Wanderer78

our approach to housing in order to try meet our housing needs has in fact collapsed, but our policy makers will never accept this reality, buy will continue to use the same approaches and tools to try do so, and again, it wont work….

….this problem will continue into the next decade, and will very likely be much worse by then…

…..c'est la vie

…oh, and this is what we voted for!

…yes, we, the electorate is also playing a part in all of this!

ancapailldorcha

In a country with a population of just over 5 million, 40,000 houses sounds like a pathetic target, honestly. Crowing about exceeding it is even more so.

Kermit.de.frog

How about people stop objecting to new housing in their areas OP, like SF representatives for example?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123130964#Comment_123130964

not only has the opposition been objecting, but so to have ffg supporters, this is across the board, nobody wants anything built near them….

Cluedo Monopoly

They lied about the 40,000 for votes. Simple as that. In their stupidity they also promised 60k a year going forward. With zero detail on how to achieve that.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123130950#Comment_123130950

Which party would have delivered more than the 30k built last year?

Podge_irl

New Irish housing starts are in fact above target, at over 60k last year.

It is completions which are below target. Unfortunately I have limited faith in anyone to solve this issue as it will require a fundamental change in what and where we build.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123130991#Comment_123130991

probably none, nobody truly knows what to do now as this problem as been left fester for decades, again, the overall approach has collapsed, but this isnt gonna change anytime soon, not until well into the 30's, or maybe even the 40's……

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123131001#Comment_123131001

Will be interesting to see how the number of starts converts to completions this year, but it looks likely that the 41k target will be reached for 2025.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123131005#Comment_123131005

I think we will see the 41k reached this year, but we then need to move past the 50k from next year.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123131013#Comment_123131013

…and again, i think this wont happen, even though you maybe right, i some how seriously doubt it, again, my own suspicions will be that output will stall at about 35-40k a year for the remainder of the decade, hopefully im wrong though!

Randycove

In the year ending April 2024, the population grew by 98,000 and yet despite a housing crisis, only 30,000 houses were built. so basically, the housing shortage is increasing.

Working class heroes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123131243#Comment_123131243

a tad over 3 people per house. Sounds about right to me.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123131254#Comment_123131254

….plus a deficit of maybe 250,000 units as it stands, our supply is way way off…..

Randycove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123131254#Comment_123131254

except the average is 2.74. Even at 3 it still isn’t starting to tackle those in temporary accommodation.

Idbatterim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123130991#Comment_123130991

Non of them, they are all wasters. Lads at this stage, even the 40,000 is likely more than they will deliver. Given they are only prepared to play around the edges. Aside from the labour shortage. Where in gods name, is the land, in Dublin to house this amount of people, for the next ten to fifteen years for example. It isnt there. Short of relocating the port and rezonig and quickly moving the very old business parks, beside rail connections etc, it is fantasy stuff. The light industry , factories etc is stuff they have in their long term plans, they may well have to speed things up. The figures that they plucked out of thin air, are beyond comedy! Might aswell say they are going to magic up 100,000 units a year…

Also bear this in mind. If you are staying in power, your own personal asset is going up, they are all homeowners here (many also landlords) in the Dail, at county council and ABP level… What incentive if you are a morally corrupt scumbag and that is what they are. Why change the system, thats actually working great for you?

Also, "who would have done better"? What are you inferring, that we should be delighted with the failure on housing? Likely non of them, thats the matter of fact. But its a total and utter failure and disgrace…

Jack Daw

Adamstown was built as a new town back 20 years ago and yet it only has a population of 10k.

Yet when I go past it on the train it is surrounded by a large amount of scrub land that is empty, which could easily host more housing. Why the hell when Adamstown was being built didn't they have a bit more long term thinking and build it to be capable of hosting a population of well over 50k at least.

NIMAN

As someone said above, this is what the country voted for. More failed targets.

We know by the end of this current government, the housing crisis is more than likely going to be worse than it actually is now. But guess who will get voted in again.......

Idbatterim

Ehhhh, I wouldn't bank on it... I mean it's very plausible, but if things actually get significantly worse , it will be interesting to see. Purchasing power is declining significantly... affordability is getting far worse, that is for sure ..

Necro

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Idbatterim

https://m.independent.ie/business/fewer-than-30000-houses-were-built-last-year/a74798677.html

Truly unbelievable!

Papagei

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123132380#Comment_123132380

You may also find this unbelievable, Ireland is building more houses per capita than any other country in Europe. Possibly the world but reliable and comparable data is patchy in many countries globally.

timmyntc

Irish housing completions are going backwards! Not only did we miss our targets but now we are building less than 23 and 22.

It's a complete failure on government and nothing looks to change in the coming years. They will not come close to 41k this year - more spin and bluster from our resident spin doctor

Jack Daw

Government should be trying to come up with quick cheap housing , like factory built tiny homes to help with the crisis ,this could at least move some younger renters (if there are any at this stage) and maybe retired people out of more traditional housing and free up some units for family's or people who want to start a family.

This could be outsourced abroad (seeing as we don't appear to have capacity to build in this country).

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123131333#Comment_123131333

And yet you voted for them to return to Government only 2 months ago.

Geuze

I don't think any politician truly wants to drive down rents and house prices.

That is the first problem.

What we need is for the Cabinet to collectively state:

"house prices and rents are too high, and public policy is to boost supply to cause rents and house prices to fall"

But that won't happen.

And so the crisis will never be solved.

Randycove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123133016#Comment_123133016

they actually want house prices to go up. This will reduce the amount of bd debt in the banks and ease the pressure on them from the ECB.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123133025#Comment_123133025

This doesn't make any sense.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123133025#Comment_123133025

The bad debts are due to non-payment of loans, the value of property under those loans is irrelevant because repossession is almost impossible in this country.

The pillar banks in this country are under no pressure, they are in a healthy state and making huge profits once again.