We need to talk about Go-Ahead

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123182722#Comment_123182722

because go ahead have specific ongoing issues.
go ahead and almost all of the bigger private operators in ireland recognise unions and their staff are in a union, and it's the very same so-called CIE unions they are members of.
actual competition only exists on the commercial routes which is why dublin to cork etc is irrelevant.
the increased routes and timetables were coming anyway, the not actually competition in reality had nothing to do with that.
the private sector are actually moving away from passenger rail at least as the returns aren't really there apart from on a few long european routes, so i wouldn't be massively expecting private operators operating rail in ireland.

it might happen but i wouldn't be holding out for it, and even if it does it will be the same staff and unions.

unionisation in big industries is going nowhere.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123183353#Comment_123183353

yes because at the time it was assumed that we would get a uk outside london model which was a reasonable fear given we often copy them and badly on many things.
the fact we weren't stupid enough to go down that route and strong unions mean their fears thankfully didn't happen.
but they were right to insure the argument they did put forward was put out there.

nearby_cheetah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123185964#Comment_123185964

There it is, the last sting of the dying wasp of an outdated and irrelevant doctrine. Face it, the CIE unions are dead. They vast majority of Go-ahead drivers are with SIPTU and union grip on this industry has vanished to nothing. You are trying to say each routes and each worker getting outsourced to the private sector is not a huge slap across O'Leary's face? Hahaha, is he in retirement now, it's so long he had anything to say 🤣 🤣

A decade ago, the mere words of outsourcing of Dublin City routes would have him jumping up and down in seething anger🤣

because go ahead have specific ongoing issues.

I look forward to yours or the OP's thread on the Dublin Bus issues.

the increased routes and timetables were coming anyway,

No, they weren't. DB removed Nightlink services.

unionisation in big industries is going nowhere.

Their ability to resist getting outsourced and undercut sure is though 😄. I think you'll find in the largest and best paid sectors in Ireland, unions have little presence.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123186044#Comment_123186044

there are no CIE unions actually, the unions that represent members in the CIE companies represent workers across many different transport operators.
siptu is a union last time i checked.

both siptu and nbru are as strong as ever with healthy membership and are doing good work representing their members, unionisation in the transport industry is healthy.
actually yes the increased timetabling and routes were coming anyway, and the few nightlink routes that were removed had low ridership.
the outsourcing is an EU mandate so there isn't a lot they could actually do on that score, however they have prevented it from undercutting members terms and conditions, meaning that while driver shortages are a problem currently, they are not what they could be.

strong healthy unions and strong healthy union membership delivering for members and ultimately passengers.

nearby_cheetah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123186146#Comment_123186146

Yeah, but no.

Routes got outsourced to the private sector. Subs that should be going to the CIE union are going elsewhere. And there's not a damn thing they can do about it. Completely irrelevant.

You're in the losing camp there comrade.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123186175#Comment_123186175

nope fake news i'm afraid.
routes got outsourced to the private sector and subs are going to the unions as always has been.
strong healthy unions and union membership, delivering for members and thus indirectly the people.

nearby_cheetah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123186197#Comment_123186197

nope fake news i'm afraid.

strong healthy unions and union membership,

Is that so? How do you explain these findings on union membership then, against a backdrop of high wage growth in the same period? Transport sector probably is in line with these findings as well.

https://researchrepository.ucd.ie/rest/bitstreams/38541/retrieve

Dear, oh dear. Things are not looking so good for you and your chums 🤣🤣.

devnull

This is not the topic to discuss Trade Unions and their future. If you want to talk about that there are plenty of other areas and threads which you can do so.

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