AI proof professions

thereiver

Yes houses can be prebuilt in a factory but for various reasons most houses are built the way they were in the 70s but we have more advanced materials like triple glazed windows .it's off topic but some American company's simply recruit only staff that have degrees from Harvard Princeton and similar universities.

Theres lots of examples of Ai producing strange results that are obviously wrong or even telling people to do things that could be dangerous or illegal You can just just google strange ai fails that shows ai showing information that is obviously incorrect to a human.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123034431#Comment_123034431

Construction is radically different to the 70s and prefab components are a major part of construction now. It is rare for a onsite roof construction now. Wood frame housing in Ireland is quite popular now. Again it is not about full replacement just reduction of the amount of people. If it is cheaper to use machines they will be used.

AI is not perfect but it is improving at a very fast rate. People are using it wrong and making mistakes the same as cars work fine but people misuse them and crash. If anybody is following AI blindly then more fool them. There are a lot more examples of humans saying and doing stupid things than AI. If you want to dismiss what AI can do by pointing to what is pretty trivial stuff you will be surprised by what it will end up doing.

It won't effect me much at my level but there is simply not going to be a need for as many junior staff. I asked 2 junior to do something and also company AI to do it. I spent 4 hours between the 2 staff with one taking 3 of them, AI took an hour. The AI got it right the junior staff didn't get it right. The guy who asked the extra questions did better but the guy who only took an hour obviously understood but got it wrong and he still took a day of his own time and the other 2 days. It was a real task but I was also testing the AI separately. The thing is I couldn't have asked the junior staff to use AI so why would I want the hassle of training them up? I know the company is looking at this.

DoctorEdgeWild

My job the last few months has moved temporarily to being an on-site fitter (ironically in data centres!), this is something that will last a long, long time, regardless of the advances in AI.

thereiver

40 per cent of companys are looking at laying off staff and replacing them with ai .AI uses an incredible amount of power and it needs water for cooling data centres ,This is bad news for those who hope to reduce c02 emissions and slow down climate change .2024 was the hotttest year on record across the globe. we are seeing more extreme weather events floods, hurricanes and wildfires across the world .Yes if you are in the business of tech networks and building data centres you be employed for a long time. Itseems the tech industry has great influence of politicans and can make large donations to political partys . It looks like the world has given up on stopping climate change in favor of building more data centres to run ai programs.

Yes ai has great potential but i think the cost is very high in terms of job loss,s especially for middle class office workers artists and creative workers .

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123037902#Comment_123037902

I assume you used modern connectors and pipes? Using copper and old connections would have taken many more people? I manged to put in a bathroom using youtube because modern plumbing is so much easier than before

The pay for jobs is the barrier to entry such as intelligence, ability and training. If somebody can learn and do your job easily the pay will be low. If is expensive but can be replaced by computers or different techniques it will be. A friend of mine works for data centres doing something with pumps that apparently need replacing a lot. He isn't a fitter and was never a trades-person and his training was for less than a month. So he at least fills a job where a trades-person may have once been required. Wages haven't shot up and won't in the future because supply and demand still rules.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038131#Comment_123038131

I don't disagree but that is irrelevant. Also don't assume bribery is why decisions are made, making sure revenue comes into the country is important. Decisions at a high level have to balance a lot more and often not long term enough.

I still think old quarries should be used for cooling data centres and their heat used for homes

irishspiderplant

I don’t think anyone truly wants to read books by AI so as a writer I’m crossing my fingers

DoctorEdgeWild

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038207#Comment_123038207

It's mostly security steel fabrication installations (where a potential weakness is found, we find a solution), so it'll be a long while before AI can do that. Most of the physical trades will stick around after the admin heavy jobs disappear. It's not impossible to imagine a future where robots are doing the installations, but it won't be within my lifetime.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123039927#Comment_123039927

I think you missed the point that if there are less jobs in admin more people will move into physical trades as there is not a huge barrier to enter. So the jobs will not pay more but may still exist.

DoctorEdgeWild

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123040083#Comment_123040083

It's possible, but I can't see a huge crossover of office people into something where you are climbing, working at height, working in confined spaces etc. I think, if anything, jobs requiring physical skills with problem solving have become premium jobs over the last 30 years. Pay has reflected that so far for me, although obviously no profession can ever be bomb-proof for life.

I'd agree that the basic physical jobs have remained the same for many years, but skilled physical has proven recession proof and (so far) AI proof.

littlefeet

I don't understand why people can't see that capitalism needs consumers to work mass unemployment would collapse capitalism it's not going to happen despite the fantasies of those going on about late capitalism.

I think we will have to add AI anxiety, to the list, recession anxiety, climate anxiety, welfare society anxiety.

Have I missed out any?

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123040390#Comment_123040390

Again I think you are missing the point. It isn't that people will necessarily shift jobs later in life but that the younger people will go for the jobs. I already pointed out a friend of mine is now doing a semi skilled installation work after working in an office. Lots of IT staff are very technical and able to problem solve

You have to be joking to say skilled trades are recession proof. The building industry is notorious for a boom and bust cycle with skilled trades out of work.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123040432#Comment_123040432

Who is saying that they don't need consumers? The work force is going to rapidly change is what is being said and where the new jobs will be is the real question. Productivity could increase dramatically. What I am working on will replace about 25% of the employees needed in one section, they could reassign them or let them go. That is just phase 1

My jobs were not even thought of when I was in school just a vague people will start using computers. Current IT jobs are going to reduce greatly in the next 20 years. Web designer was a very high paid job 20 year ago and now it is not and you can create a great looking website using what is about now with no technical expertise .

littlefeet

But the web designers aren't unemployed the evolved to do another job.

Lots of jobs and careers have disappeared

AI will bring change that's all.

thereiver

I don,t think the average person is going to bother making a website website use various programs to display ads

no more than the average person wants to make their own clothes to wear, yes you can make a basic website using html but will anyone bother to use it. Yes the workforce will change probably 20 per cent of office jobs are at risk of being replaced by ai.The demand for online editors and writers has gone down since chatgpt and other ai apps have been released why are ai companys getting billions of dollars of investment ?

because corporations know ai could replace millions of jobs. nvidia which makes cards that can run llms ai apps is worth nearly as much as apple . AI will have great potential in military defence systems .

the point is if millions of people lose their jobs they won,t have much money to spend on apps or buy more products

on amazon or their local shopping centre ,tax revenue depends on people working and earning a wage .

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123040807#Comment_123040807

Yes they did and were paid less which is the really kick. Look at it more along the lines that there will be less need for graduates and they will find it hard to get experience. In Ireland that might mean importing staff with experience and there never being on opportunity to work in IT.

A major shake up is coming in an industry that isn't really that old or even settled.

littlefeet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123041917#Comment_123041917

Well if that really did happen it would collapse the property economy, the catering and pub economy the retail economy as I said people have to have the type of salary that lets them be consumes to keep the whole show on the road I don't think you get that.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123042000#Comment_123042000

I don't think people get that is logical thinking but capitalism does not think it chases the money for good or bad. They don't care plastics are destroying the environment if it is cheaper.

I understand the potential damage but the industrial revolution didn't care about farmsteads and cottage industry wool. The just destroyed a way of life and brought people into horrible working and living situations.

littlefeet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123042118#Comment_123042118

That's true but the system always seems to reinvent it's self unless there really is something in the theories about late capitalism.

I also would bet good money anyone with a degree in electrical engineering followed by a masters in computer science wil not have have any issue with having a well paid career. They might have to make a few Segways over the course of their careers but that's life.

There are always new careers as well 50 years ago had any one ever heard of a personal trainer?

babyducklings1

Wonder will Ai will just make people lazier and dumber. No more hard graft, or research or light bulb moments let’s just AI it. I’m not against AI but the human brain is a thing.. Wonder where we’ll be even ten years from now with all of this.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123040432#Comment_123040432

Which opens up the discussion about Universal Basic Income….

bnt

I work in IT support, and a lot of my job involves getting hardware to work and/or helping figure out how to do things. It doesn't feel like AI is anywhere close to making me redundant, not as long as computers have users using them. A lot of their jobs are people-focused too.

Strumms

most jobs in aviation.

I don’t think you’ll ever see pilotless commercial jet aircraft and AI taking over for example. Look at the ‘miracle on the Hudson’ with Sulenberger and Skiles. All engine power / automation / electrical systems lost. The only thing saving those people was human interaction, human decision making and hands, feet, brains and mouths.

I doubt at the airport you’ll see a driverless pushback tug or baggage cart, because it’s just too dangerous, one of them goes rogue and heads in the direction of a fuel truck, plane, or the runway, or passengers queuing up on the tarmac to get on a say Ryanair flight…. It would be carnage.

Then again, companies will want to save money so risk vs reward and all that.

chrissb8

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123038674#Comment_123038674

Just like I gravitate towards certain journalists and authors, AI cannot replicate an individual's style. Wit, insight, perspective, and judgement are all preserves of the human mind and AI will never be able to get to the heart of a matter like a person.

The day AI can create something like a book series in Dune which has amazing concepts and brilliant universe building is the day it will take over. But it won't because that series is deeply rooted in philosophy which is yet another thing AI cannot truly conceptualise or think on.

Stevies girl

A taste tester.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123181120#Comment_123181120

I don't think so

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_tongue

Sunny Disposition

Philosophy. AI can do a lot but it doesn't have an ethical framework really, so get your kids into philosophy.

Journalism. It can do a certain amount, it could certainly make data journalists obsolete and those working on fast news, but a bit like the need for philosophers, the AI can't make most journalists obsoletec because it takes too much at face value.

Btw AI is genuinely amazing, of course it is, but ChatGPT is hugely flawed. I thought it was going to be a huge help to me until I started using it. Heaps of mistakes, and the worst thing is it makes those mistakes with an alarming amount of confidence.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123183670#Comment_123183670

Why would AI need any ethics in processing a application? Won't be a sudden need for philosophers

Journalism has been shedding numbers for years due to the internet and AI is replacing the production teams and journalists for a few years and increasing.

ChatGPT is good for something but is improving incredibly fast and that is where the danger lies. It is no worse than a confident grad student being asked to do a report. I use it and it takes less time to correct AI than going back to a grad to explain and fix their work.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Broadcasting/comments/1guql1i/new_ai_system_replacing_entire_local_news_team/

babyducklings1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123183670#Comment_123183670

I used it too then went back to original material ( very good research and testing) and Ai had just dumbed it down and the detail too. It just couldn’t match human expertise .

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123180559#Comment_123180559

Impossible to know what things will be like in 40 or 50 years time. Maybe a driverless pushback tug or baggage cart in 40 or 50 years time will be safer than a human controlled one.

If the jets in 9/11 were sealed, human-less cockpits, then 9/11 may not have happened. Who knows.