First Time Farmer - Issue

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122959891#Comment_122959891

Welcome to rual Ireland.

148multi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122959891#Comment_122959891

If your going to the bother of sending him a letter, be sure to make a data request for the phone recording. He should not be recording you while he is on your property without your consent.

Kevhog1988

Sounds like you met your parishes version of the bull mccabe.

Lads like that will pay no heed to a solicitors letter so I wouldn't bother wasting your money

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122958829#Comment_122958829

It up to every farmer to secure his own stock. Nobody has to fence a bounds. I keep my stock on my land, I expect my neighbours to do the same. I have a strand of electric all around my bounds. If thebodd animal comes in or out no issue. Of I get an invasion I get let lads know about it.

Lads leasing land next to me used to let cattle wander a bit. He is from 40 miles away after he had to bring his box couple of times to collect the strays out of my yard it stopped.

manno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122959630#Comment_122959630

This is the only way to operate in my opinion. Years ago they had what they called "maerins", meaning they divided the boundaries between landowners and maintained the section they had been allocated. In the modern age this is less common and in my opinion is only a recipe for disputes. I just fence all my boundaries myself and then I know the only stock I will find in my fields are mine. As regards the location of the boundaries, that should be clear to see in your BISS maps. Any movement of a disputed boundary is not a simple task and would require a civilised neighbour.

firsttimefarmer2024

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960149#Comment_122960149

Very good point, or maybe I request confirmation of the deletion of the video and no sharing online or with others in person.

Worth mentioning I wasn't alone, my pregnant wife and toddler were present and are in the recording. Aspect I hadn't considered till you mentioned this.

Something no parent wants their child to see, had no idea I was gonna arrive to such drama otherwise I would have came alone

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960420#Comment_122960420

is your single strand of electric wire strong enough to hold up a fallen tree - otherwise your point here is slightly out of context…….

148multi

Get the recording first, you can ask for it to be deleted after.

cloughy20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122960420#Comment_122960420

Exactly, thats what I meant by on an ad-hoc basis between neighbours, I look after my side, neighbour looks after theirs, if the odd animal goes either way, no biggie, we'll sort it the next time we have the stock in the yard for something, whether thats tomorrow or in a month, 40 years farming and never a problem.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122959630#Comment_122959630

Well, yeah thats the norm to look after your own side, but some prople don't know whats good for them, and I know of a dispute that took years to resolve through solicitors writing back and forth, legally it boiled down to what I said earlier, whoever owns the drain owns the hedge and is responsible for maintenance, obviously in practice 99% of farmers/neighbours just do it the sensible way and look after their own side.

Kevhog1988

Heres a randomn one….. If you had a stockproof hedge as a boundary and farmer A decides to take it right back resulting in Farmer B's stock now being able to escape who is at fault?.

epfff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122966863#Comment_122966863

Interesting question

I have strand of electric around mine and last summer neighbors bull got liking for my heifers anytime one bulling.

He used to come straight through wall and push fence in front of him snapping stakes or wire. When neighbor would bring him back he would cut fence going across gate to road that I don't use.

After few times I asked him to stop cutting fence at road and never mentioned heifers in calf or having to put up stakes and wire where he came in and I got the biggest boliking I think I ever got that I was a prick complaining and looking for problems with him. His son was with him and was quiet reasonable and apologized telling me to scan heifers and he would inject which he went loopy about.

What do you do there?

I sort felt sorry for him because he clearly has other issues. I stood calm with the line please don't cut fence again call me and I will turn off or drop bull back to you.

He went off roaring.

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122967870#Comment_122967870

unfortunately there’s little reasoning with lads like that. Lucky that the son seemed respectful and you might be able to deal with him ignore Pa.

It’s certainly a tricky one though if it’s the bull you have to deal with cos a dicey job if trying to remove a bull from bulling heifers.

Dunedin

In my view if the other farmer damaged the fence on your side then he’s wholly responsible. However, if he just removed half of it but that left it so thin that it then wasn’t stock proof, then I’d say it’s back to you to secure your side

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122966863#Comment_122966863

JJayoo

Don't be sending solicitors letters, you have just arrived to the area you don't want to become a parriah from the get go, a good lock on that gate will do the job.

How exactly were you going to remove the tree? Obviously you weren't going to go in the dangerous gate with a tractor, and are you experienced with a chainsaw and windblown trees? Can be very dangerous. Any chance you could put it down as one less dodgy job you would have to do in the pissing rain leading up to Christmas and move on

1373

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122956836#Comment_122956836

That's a pathetic way to view . After the neighbour trespass into someone else's land, stealing timber and working a chainsaw on someone else's land and your advice is to pop round for a chat and tea . If that neighbour got injured while on the ops land, then the op would be responsible. As far as I'm concerned, my land, my tree and if a tree fell in to my neighbours field like it just did After storm darragh, then I'd believe it's their tree now and I'd feel I'm stealing if I took it

firsttimefarmer2024

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122968930#Comment_122968930

Im not new to area it's my grand mother's home place and would visit regularly.

As for the tree, well I have a solid fuel stove so the timber was certainly useful to me. I have cut up large trees myself in the past using chain saw log splitter etc. With no issue, I have all the correct safety gear, chainsaw trousers etc.

As for the access I have another safe way in on level ground, and would not have used the gate this guy did. So all in all I believe I'd be much safer than this auld lad of 70 years.

Anyways going off point now as I got good advice here from people in the know, I've seen the solicitors letter already and he will have it this week.

Thanks again to all those with useful advice here its much appreciated

148multi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122966863#Comment_122966863

Think this covers it

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chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122969549#Comment_122969549

You jumped on me a bit too quick there @1373, 30 mins later I posted this after @firsttimefarmer2024 added a bit more detail.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122956940#Comment_122956940

However I stand by what I said about calling in the Gardaí and lawering up for something that should discussed man to man first, maybe not tea and a chat, but certainly not out in the field with your pregnant wife and toddler looking on. Op kept drip feeding new information to back up their side in spite of saying they didn't want to disclose too much, so make of that what you will.

firsttimefarmer2024

Not sure where the drip feeding is here, I simply said there was previous attempts to use my land without my consent, giving this detail could make it easy to identity me.

As for the presence of my wife and child this was beyond my control as I never expected to encounter this situation on the day yet alone see this person walking down my field to me.

I started my conversation very reasonable with this individual "man to man " as you say. My first request was for him to identity himself which he refused to do, and he gets fired up saying he has every right to be on my land. I tried to explain the actual trespass position to him but it was to no avail.

I take from this thread a majority view that I need to set the boundaries with this individual and give him a warning I won't entertain his carry on. Which I've done now via my solicitor and the gardai.

I have no intention of a prolonged discussion legally or other wise with this individual.

I now have secured a new tenant and explained the situation and he is ready to deal with any further issues with this individual.

I'd now like to request this thread to be closed as it has fulfilled my intentions, and finally thank those who made useful contributions, I do appreciate it.