November Vanilla Werewolf - Game Thread

lorcand1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899489#Comment_122899489

I didn't say asking for ffas is wolfy. I said all you did in the 1st few (3) days is give read lists, do synopsis of play and ask for ffas. You've done no wolf hunting, no question asking and have kept super low

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899503#Comment_122899503

You can look back on previous games, I do a lot of lists, that's how I play; it's how I put on order on things and look for patterns

MacDanger

I've gone back and reviewed what the votes looked like when each of the remaining players voted on 2nd lynch:

Lorcan: 1st vote on Lordy @1632
Village Lorcan: staying with his vote from 1st lynch, thinks Lordy is a wolf
Wolf Lorcan: staying with his vote from 1st lynch, Lordy isn't in any trouble so it's a safe vote

Oscar: votes Strawbs @1649;
Village Oscar: Strawbs is her top read so she's going with that
Wolf Oscar: a vote on her teammate to create distance

Trit: FFA of Oscar & Lordy plus Strawbs & MacDanger, votes on Oscar @1827 (2/1/1 for Oscar/Strawbs/Lordy)
Villager Trit: Oscar is his top read so he's going with that
Wolf Trit: Putting 2 wolves on their FFA for distancing but going with the only villager currently on a vote

WM: Votes for Strawbs @ 1910 (4/2/1 for Oscar/Strawbs/Lordy)
Village WM: Voting for their best read rather than jumping on the Oscar wagon
Wolf WM: Voting for their wolf teammate because they think Oscar is a runaway wagon

MacDanger: votes for Trit @ 1910 (4/2/1/1 for Oscar/Strawbs/Lordy/Trit)
Village MacDanger: Voting for their best read rather than jumping on the Oscar wagon
Wolf MacDanger: Putting in a throwaway vote instead of jumping on the main wagon

Yoss: fake votes for Trit @2010 (3/3/2/3 for Oscar/Strawbs/Lordy/Trit)
Village Yoss: I'm still struggling to see how Village Yoss thinks this is a good move but anyway
Wolf Yoss: Wolf Yoss surely just jumps on the Oscar train, strong village look here for Yoss

G&R: votes for Trit @1938 (3/3/2/2 for Oscar/Strawbs/Lordy/Trit)
Village G&R: Voting for his best read
Wolf G&R: Would surely jump on the Oscar Wagon, strong village look here for G&R

G&R: switches to Strawbs @2127 (3/4/2/2 for Oscar/Strawbs/Lordy/Trit)
Village G&R: Thinks that Necro creating a new wagon was to protect Strawbs so he switches
Wolf G&R: Is bussing Strawbs for village cred

Lordy: switches to Trit at time unknown (3/4/2/3 for Oscar/Strawbs/Lordy/Trit)

Why switch to Trit instead of Oscar is the big question? It was also Lordy's vote as the final vote which saved Oscar from lynching on night 1. Logically, it's hard for me to come to any other conclusion that doesn't point to Oscar being a wolf.

lorcand1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899532#Comment_122899532

Sounds a bit like Lord's 'usual vanilla villager' excuse

You're in luck, I've 12 hours to spare to read through loads of ww games.

Spoiler: I'm not doing that

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899545#Comment_122899545

So taking this a step further, why was Lordy forced to change his vote rather than the 3rd wolf changing theirs:

Wolf Lorcan: Was already on a wolf so couldn't switch

Wolf Oscar: Was already on a wolf so couldn't switch

Wolf Trit: Was already on Oscar; him, Strawbs & Lordy were the other wagons so had nowhere to switch to

Wolf WM: Was already on a wolf so couldn't switch

Wolf MacDanger: I could have switched although it would have conflicted with my FFA (Trit, Leggy & WM)

Wolf Yoss: Ended up on Lordy so this is a great look

Wolf G&R: Moves from a non-wolf to a wolf; this wouldn't make any sense

lorcand1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899545#Comment_122899545

How would wolf lorcan know lord wasn't in trouble 5 hours before a lynch, after previously calling them out? Not like it was a throwaway vote. Didn't lord have a few votes d2?

Pretty sure that question has been asked and answered of me already anyway

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899574#Comment_122899574

No need to be defensive about it - at the time you voted for Lordy, he wasn't in any trouble (any only received one more vote until Yoss's late switch)

lorcand1990

Well mac has certainly livened up 🤣

Trigger

The Wolf was back on the hunt during the night, and spotted a villager walking unawares. in the blink of an eye the wolf makes their move and is on their target before so much as a scream can come out. Death is quick but savage.

@Green&Red has been munched - they were Villager (NRV)

Reminder: Yeet at 12.30pm

lorcand1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899580#Comment_122899580

I've answered a post about me, same as you've answered my posts about you

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899545#Comment_122899545

Also. If I'm.a wolf it's in the wolfs interest not to lynch me.

I if I'm not the wolf, it's still in the wolfs best interest to not lynch me.

Play the odds. Get rid of me.

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899670#Comment_122899670

That thought did cross my mind when I saw WM voting for me straight out of the blocks last night

tritium

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899670#Comment_122899670

if you’re not a wolf as you say, why is on our interests to use a lynch at this point on you?

That’s either bad village play or wolf mind games

Two lynches left- if you had to call them who would it be? How confident would you be of being right?

OscarMIlde

Good G&R has been revealed as good. Removes the good theory Leggy had. Also puts Lord vote in the frame. Did he vote to save teammates or potentially lose teammate and make himself look good?

Flip me and reveal

G&R served village well. Bagged first wolf, well done..

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899676#Comment_122899676

Strategy makes sense. If you are anyway on the fence about me you NEED to vote for me first lynch.

Once I'm gone, there are three other players, one in three chance of getting it right.

If I were one of the players somehow the wolf is home free. There is no way you wouldn't vote for me. Way too big a risk I've been playing you.

You know 100% I would play people like this if I were a wolf.

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899682#Comment_122899682

I have no idea who is wolf. I am most strongest wolf probability. Needs to be eliminated.

Trust me.

OscarMIlde

Also, if I'm village and survive first lynch I will have to try and plead my case to NOT vote for me which will look super Wolfy and odds are I will be voted for as wolf, handing victory to the actual wolf.

lorcand1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122898027#Comment_122898027

I like this point, I'm reading back on what I missed yesterday

tritium

ok placeholder vote in

mac

Oscar

Trit

Wrestlemaniac

Lorc

Yoss

remaining players

Three possibilities really

Oscar is the wolf and heat is justified

wolf is a mid suspicion player remaining

Wolves have okayed a blinder and got someone in deep

at this stage if it’s the last one bravo and they’ll probably win. I don’t like wasting lynches or village asking to go but I think let’s just resolve Oscar and if she’s village we play to end

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122888176#Comment_122888176

@lorcand1990, that post from Leggy saying that I didn't ask her is complete nonsense - here she is replying to me about it!!

lorcand1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899817#Comment_122899817

So one post, which was answered. Not really pushing too hard.

I remember asking you had leggy called you out on that vote you put on them & you said you hadn't interacted with them

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899829#Comment_122899829

I had received an answer of sorts but I wasn't buying it (incorrectly as it turned out), it was the first thing to ping to me when I read through and it stuck with me. Turns out I'm not great at the intuitive stuff which is why I stick to lists!!!

tritium

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122898813#Comment_122898813

why vote Mac over Oscar- discuss?

lorcand1990

Feeling more confident about my macdonnels curry sauce vote

lorcand1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899865#Comment_122899865

So a few days ago when I asked had leggy called you out on that vote, you said you hadn't interacted with them. Now you're using a reply they actually did give you when trying to defend yourself

y0ssar1an22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899917#Comment_122899917

a low lying wolf would make sense.

y0ssar1an22

state of play and votes:

lorcand1990

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122885642#Comment_122885642

Here it is

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899974#Comment_122899974

Go back and check the timings - you asked me that before Leggy replied.

If I'm a wolf and Oscar is village, explain the night 2 lynch votes to me?

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122899986#Comment_122899986

You asked me that question @0722 on 26th Nov and Leggy replied @1704 on 26th Nov - why are you trying to misrepresent this?