LSL to charge for the App

amacca

I see LSL are going to start charging you if you use the App

Fiver a month even if you are just viewing...more if you are buying

Theyll do an annual sub for viewing of 50..

I'm not tight but I don't think the use I get out of it warrants the outlay tbh..+ I know businesses love a subscription model bit I'm overdosed and a bit sick of them tbh...I occasionally look at one or two of my own going through or have a look at a sale...I've bought from time to time but it's sporadic...I think I'll leave it to them and go old school

What say ye?

Hershall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058364582/lsl-to-charge-for-the-app

Does the fiver cover looking back at previous sales?

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122507671#Comment_122507671

Don't know that....didn't read the full article......cheapo here doesn't want to pay for a farmers journal subscription either

I'd imagine they should at least at the start to soften the blow and then I introduce an extra charge for it down the road to "invest in and improve" the service if I know my subscription playbook properly

50HX

I'm amazed it has taken this long

It's been a real game changer since it's introduction.

Matter a jot of you are selling but for those buying its a no trainer

Bidding from the comfort of home vs stuck ringside at midnight in some cases & for those of us working off farm it's a godsend

Will be signing up

kk.man

If the others don't follow, how long will that app last

farawaygrass

which app would be the most popular across marts?

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122508013#Comment_122508013

Yep...I suppose that's the long and short of it.

Life itself is a subscription model of sorts!

Tileman

sick of all the subscriptions tbh. Would look at a few and maybe hennessy machinery auction. Don’t think I’ll pay for another subscription. If the other 2 apps hold out for a while they will get increased business. However more than likely they will follow suit aswell.

Cavanjack

I buy off the 3 apps. If they all follow suit it’ll be €360 a year. I do save on time buying online but it’s a bit of a sickener. Wonder what do they charge the marts?
It works out expensive per head for any man even just buying 100 head per year.
It’s equivalent to a 30% increase in commision for any man buying 100 online.

148multi

Even the vets have to pay a fee for the hand held device they use when tb testing, one way or another it's all been passed back to the farmers

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122508234#Comment_122508234

Do you buy 12 months of the year? I'm sure plenty do but probably not most.

It's €10 for 30 days access or €100 for 12 months. I can't see the average farmer needing to pay for the whole year.

grange mac

It's a pity they don't have a 3/6 month option.... They probably know if done that then they lose the 12 months option.

148multi

Was at a mart in galway yesterday, it said on lsl that you could pay per month €10 to buy, to view €3 per month.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122508849#Comment_122508849

Well it's just 3 -6 monthly payments then? Still less than the annual sub and better value than a six month sub as you don't need to use it all in consecutive months. The annual sub would only ever make sense if you use it 10 months or more out of the year.

Limestone Cowboy

Will a lot of marts on the lsl platform change to marteye or martbids I wonder. Committee meetings will be interesting. I'd reluctantly pay if I had to because the few marts I use are all using it but it would be some sickner to pay the subscription and for the marts to change provider.

148multi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122508962#Comment_122508962

Some marts a dead against it, lsl charging €500 per month to marts.

Lsl and mart eye are now controlled by the same people

Silverdream

It was great while it was free, but I guess there are costs associated with streaming live data like that. Plus now that people have got used to it, they can now force people to pay. I'd say RTE 1 will be delighted, as they'll get all the pensioners back watching TV now instead.

orm0nd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122508962#Comment_122508962

I imagine the marts might have entered a contract and maybe tied to that for a while. Could be wrong though.

Like every other piece of legislation it will be topic of conversation for a while and most likely forgotten about in a month or so.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122509013#Comment_122509013

I believe a fairly large beef processor is the beneficial owner of it.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122509013#Comment_122509013

Any source for them being controlled by the same people? Surely if that were true they would merge them before creating a paid subscription model?

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/monthly-fee-set-for-farmers-viewing-some-marts-online/

In a statement to 

Agriland

, Jamie Nolan from MartEye confirmed that online bidding platform MartEye “has no plans” to introduce a monthly subscription payment.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122509083#Comment_122509083

If the contracts didn't include the possibility of a subscription model it may well give marts an out from existing contracts.

148multi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122509357#Comment_122509357

The source of the information is a mart manager, apparently lsl and mart eye have been bought in, by a third party.

But Seamus Mallon has still a say.

The marts were paying a fee per head until 22, now set fees per mart.

148multi

Know one exporter that won't buy where lsl is. Reckons that all the data is bieng harvested and they are in competition with Mallon.

System

This discussion was created from comments split from: No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11.

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122508640#Comment_122508640

yes this is true. Only buy maybe 7-8 months of the year.

Danny healy ray

i hear rip.ie will charge you before long to check death notices

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122511268#Comment_122511268

Guess I'll be saving on funeral attendance expenses from now on....two birds one stone.

visatorro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122511268#Comment_122511268

The chief listens to local radio for the death notices. Said recently there wasn't too many on it anymore . Was talking to the undertaker at a wake and he said he doesn't inform them anymore because they charge to announce deaths. He said it was wrong because they started off as a community radio.

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122511268#Comment_122511268

It's probably harder to administer RIP.ie since Covid when they introduced a condolence section. Maybe that could be knocked on the head now. Ever notice with a tragic death all these anonymous contributors have to throw their tuppence worth in.

jfh

I pay 98 for the subscription, I take it that's the full charge, will they be adding to this?

alps

You'd be inclined to take stock to sell to the mart that's not using LSL. Be thinking there would be a little more competition around that screen.

Cork marts use 2 different platforms. Hard to see them having clients charged at one mart and not at another.

Say my name

There's an opportunity here for a non for profit selling platform to be run by the IFA. Only picked the IFA as it's a large farmer union already there. Setting it up would could get the government or EU to fund or part fund as well. Argument would be for the good of agriculture in Ireland and transparency and fairness it brings to the farming community.

LSL, Marteye, etc, are only there because of Covid. And it was a case of anyone quick will do. But covid is gone now and the benefits of the online platforms are shown without doubt. But it's gone a stage where the private platforms are looking to use their advantage to make the big bucks and it will remove the last line in my first paragraph.

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122512181#Comment_122512181

That a brillant idea and if all the main farming orgs chipped in and let it be part of the benefit of being a member of farming orgs. In reality what lsl propose to charge is only the start of higer subscriptions in future

alps

The marts themselves would be best positioned to replicate a system and control the direction of cost.

I wouldn't underestimate however the enormous cost of running something like this. It needs to be staffed every minute that a mart is in progress as a technical difficulty can't last for more than a few minutes.

What would the cost be of staffing this with even 4 or 5 techies. Some on here will know better but there mightnt be change out of 500k (might be way off)..but there's a lot of gathering in that at 500/month/mart.

No doubt the developers of these platforms, as with most tech, see their payday not in the operational profitability but in selling a the majority proportion of the business to a company that can move it on to another stage.

Many of these type of developers move through and twist new start ups every 5 to 10 years.

Lime Tree Farm

The 'EU fund' on your Mart docket should cover it.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122504886#Comment_122504886

I doubt it. Marts were paying a fee per head which bigger Marts did not like. Heard of figures of up to a euro/head.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122509013#Comment_122509013

500/ month is handy enough money for access to a sales platform for bigger Marts. Take Gortalea selling maybe 2k+animals a week it works out about 6-7 cent per head.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122507682#Comment_122507682

I would not pay for the subscription to the rag either actually avoid buying it. Young lads buy it 1-2 times a month. Trying to get him to stop no point funding the enemy.

Have LSL annual premium subscription for a couple of years so I can view previous sales. A bit peeved as Castleisland take down there sales videos at midnight the day of the sale. Ennis only show the previous/last sale. Hope if everyone has to pay a subscription that marts are forced to show sales for previous 2-3 months.

I never leave the yard without having something bought. At this stage it costs me less than a euro a head for cattle that I buy. It saves me a fortune in diesel.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122512302#Comment_122512302

I can see why it would be worth it to some

Be Interesting to see how it goes..I'm not sure where I'm landing at the moment...I instinctively don't like it and hope it doesn't mean less buyers at some marts I sell at as some potential buyers just won't pay and may not bother attending physically....although maybe lads like that wouldn't be buying stock anyway

Also wondered about land auctions on it....if they dont have a physical auction and you want to view one of those then you are stuck with at least one month's worth of sub/fee too

I suppose I just instinctively don't like subscriptions....

Robson99

Find Lsl much more user friendly than Mart eye or mart bids as you can look back at previous sales etc in some marts on it…

Imo it's €100 which can be offset against tax. It's better value that €100 to the IFA

Silverdream

A better system would be if they added a euro on to the commission of the animal to pay for the online. Give the farmer the option to opt out if he wants.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122512939#Comment_122512939

Having only some animals available for online bidding would be a balls.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122513672#Comment_122513672

It would normally but I was responding to the idea of a different model suggested above.

893bet

It’s Mickey money for the ability to put manners on those seeking to control opening bids and the ring.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122512939#Comment_122512939

Not really first off its as much advantage to sellers as buyers. A lot of sellers watch there cattle selling from at home or work. As well the lad buying on line has put manners on tanglers who used to control around the ring

TBH for most lads it will not work out too expensive.you can always link up with a brother cousin or friend and use the same login to buy and just switch them into the correct herd number

edward901

You can watch the Marts on 4 different devices at the same time.I phoned their customer service yesterday to find out this. Which means that you could share your subscription with someone else.

farawaygrass

you know how there was a subscription already if you wanted to look back on Marts. Will that feature be tied in with the new subscription I wonder or will it be extra again?

DJ98

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122515374#Comment_122515374

And how would that work if you were buying?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122515850#Comment_122515850

The cattle are not transferred into the herd number until you pay for them in case there is any issues. So when paying you instruct as to the herd number for cattle.

Now and again we pick up a few cattle for a friend of mine and a relative of my wife's. Cattle are put straight into there herd number

Bass Reeves

I woukd imagine the premium/annual package woukd stay in place, however it may okay not increase in price. I think it's slightly less than 100 yoyo's

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122513685#Comment_122513685

In every other auction situation with farming both buyer and sell pay a fee (machinery auctions, entitlement sales, farm clearances as well as marts) this in a way regularise online bidding. The view only option is for sellers if they so choose to use the facility. The more expensive option is for buyers who view and bid.

minerleague

Marts are paying these companies at present so presumably that cost is passed on in commission to buyers and sellers, if farmers are paying directly for the service will the commission drop in price? ( I already know the answer! ) I remember a time when the vet would put on brass tags (and do the TB test) for free too, all these costs are small in themselves but they don't be long adding up.

As for sharing a subscription I'd imagine they will close off that soon enough if it became widespread

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122516005#Comment_122516005

Very hard to prevent LSL app sharing as most sharing would be using phone only, it like sharing wheelie bins impossible to prevent.

TBH mart commission prices for buyers have not risen significantly in a while. It's around ten Inc or plus vat in most places. I think sellers commission vary's more. Costs always increase and you just have to adapt.

I buy the indo online it's 138 euro, got the Sunday Times for a five for 12 months. Disney X went up by 20-30 euro in the last 12 months. HiweI do not buy sky. I pay for Disney X, daughter pays for Netflixs, one ifvtge lads pay for Spotify and the other lad pays for GAA go