(Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself?) Any update?

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122492975#Comment_122492975

I didn't have to deal with anything, I chose to.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493148#Comment_122493148

No I don't see how you read that and am not happy about it .

That's an unfair accusation and now I am wondering all sorts .

Have you been pming someone who asked you to say this ?

Goodnight .

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493144#Comment_122493144

You've edited your post, I addressed Suvigirl in my post too, not just you.

Goldengirl

Yes I continued writing .

So did I read your post wrong then ?

What exactly are you accusing ME of ??

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493147#Comment_122493147

Oh right I see now .

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493151#Comment_122493151

It was a question, I acknowledged in the post that I may have been wrong and I've accepted your answer.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493158#Comment_122493158

Yeah right . When was that ?

. So now answer my question ?

And I might accept your apology ..

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493139#Comment_122493139

At the end @Goldengirl.

If this is true that is indeed the dreaded pile up, and a very underhanded method of engagement. I may well be wrong but that's how I interpret these posts.

And this is me asking a question, not accusing you.

How did you ask like-minded posters for help? Was it on thread or did you PM other posters to argue with you?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493166#Comment_122493166

So it wasn't . I am not going to produce the post for you but it was on the dangers or the Gript thread, no pms no requests for pile ons .

If I have something to say I come out and say it to your face . And if I report someone I can do it all by myself .

Now I am upset by this and request that you and JP Liz just go and play whatever games you want with someone else .

This is classic and why this site is becoming such a nightmare .

Why would someone decent behave like this to anyone unless they are trolling ?

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493170#Comment_122493170

There's no game, liz and I have played Werewolf together here and on Forum of Games. Her comment was a joke about my posting style and nothing to do with you or your posts.

I read you comment where you said you were struggling in a thread so you asked like-minded, left leaning posters for help. I simply asked how you asked for help. I also come straight out and ask things which I why I asked you directly whilst acknowledging I may be wrong. I've accepted your answer and haven't asked for proof.

Leg End Reject

It's unfair to accuse me of trolling, I've engaged openly on this thread.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122492740#Comment_122492740

No. Why would I?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122492774#Comment_122492774

I never suggested any posts in this thread. I thought this was a feedback thread about Boards?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493139#Comment_122493139

Seriously? Leggy! More sleep is needed. I have not suggested any posts on this thread be removed, in fact, it is the posts with personal abuse, or hateful racist,sexist, xenophobic stuff that I feel should be deleted. Nothing to do with this thread.

I posted a response beasty made on another thread in feedback, no conspiracy here.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493177#Comment_122493177

Awake still ...thanks for that !

Bit of a funny one that " when I only asked you a question "too.

Nothing open engagement about out the blue accusing two posters of pm-ing and organising pile ups !

You say you did not mean it like that but that is what you said / how you wrote that .

So really you should acknowledge that and apologise or else I can take it that you don't accept my reply .

Either somebody got under your skin or is dripping poison in your ear because I can't understand how you thought any of that was ok and why you are somehow affronted when no apology appears to be forthcoming from you about this ?

We have never had cross words before and I certainly haven't been reporting you or anyone giving feedback here

I want to draw a line under this now before it ends up closing the thread ( is that the aim of this carryon? )

Btw Lz's interjection wasn't very helpful because it made it seem as if you two were in cahoots , of which I am sure you are well aware .

Edited two spelling mistakes only

OscarMIlde

Disingeuous targeted posting in an attempt to shut down or stymie discussion frustrates moderate posters who want to discuss issues or learn about topics and drives them away.

I lurk on the Russian thread, but all too often the threads devolve into fights about motivations rather than actually discussing the minutiae of the conflict. Same with Irish politics threads which immediately become FG/FF vs SF rather than actually discussing policies.

Agenda driven posters arguing for and against a side at any cost are ruining it for everyone else and only moderation asking people to cop on can stop it. We all know it happens, we even have a poster on this thread admitting to it.

Irish Aris

I'm sure Mike will be very happy with all the "constructive" feedback provided here... 😒🙄

Vote4Squirrels

I generally have nothing but support for the moderators but when they apply warnings based on their beliefs and not the rules, then it is becoming a problem.

Flaneur OBrien

Deleted.

Ironically, offering nothing constructive myself.

Backstreet Moyes

I thought with seeing a few pages that their might have been an interesting development.

The last few pages are basically what most threads descend into, posters bickering at each other and ruining a thread.

Juvenile behaviour that must drive mods insane.

If you want to have a pop at posters take it to pm and if you feel aggrieved then pm a mod.

The annoying part is all that happens is threads get shut down over this behaviour, where dealing with the handful of people ruining threads would be the best thing.

To add, I have been guilty of such behavior and would have no problem being reprimanded if I do so in the future.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493389#Comment_122493389

Yeah, but it's subjective when they're doing that.

That is the issue, one person claiming it, or even 1 side of the discussion doesn't make it so. It absolutely should be avoided, but it needs a good Dispute Resolution Process to either identify that that was the case, or to clear the Mod involved and carry on.

I've spoken a lot on these 2 feedback threads about my issues with moderation. And I've said that one of the things that really showed me that there's an issue is precisely that the Dispute Resolution Process failed to operate at all in a particular case for me.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493389#Comment_122493389

What rules? Where are they? Hard to know if rules are being broken if you can't find them.

All mod actions are subject to appeal. If you appeal and a cmod does nothing, it was within the rules and not just a mods beliefs.

If a mod actions is appealed and the appeals are often overturned, the modship is removed.

This process is very clear.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493400#Comment_122493400

If you want to have a pop at posters take it to pm and if you feel aggrieved then pm a mod.

New nomination for worst piece of advice on this thread.

Do not take any complaints about me to pm.

I will report you for unsolicited PM's, and possible abusive behaviour. Best out in the open where admin, mods and the community can see for themselves.

Slightly Kwackers

I see this is typical of a thread on this medium where the subject matter is adhered to firmly and never morphs in any interesting way, just goes on and on eventually regurgitating the same stuff with the same users.

We used to have killfiles in Usenet and dynamic threads that would keep going over years with little bearing on the original subject line, the users were perhaps entrenched in their views, but they would at least get sick of batting the same ball to and fro and change the game to suit the trajectory.

As far as this thread title goes, we used to have a "DNR" order in the UK health service.

It was often the kindest approach.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493283#Comment_122493283

I interpreted your posts as possible collusion and asked for clarification. I did state that I may be wrong. Turns out I was and I've accepted the response from you and Suvigirl.

I'm not in collusion with anyone, I am capable of thinking and posting for myself.

We have crossed swords before on a Covid thread where you were adamant that employers would forevermore insist that employees stay at home if they have a cold or flu.

There was no malice on my part, I just wanted to understand your posts.

I'm not affronted, but I think it's clear I'm not a troll. I have repeatedly responded openly to others on this thread regardless of whether we agree or disagree.

I'm drawing a line under this now because it's ruining the thread and, no, it is not my intention to have it closed.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493442#Comment_122493442

Yes not ideal, I was going to suggest people act like adults but that's unlikely.

I couldn't think of any other way people could continue arguing without everyone else having to scroll through the drama.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122491905#Comment_122491905

What do you mean by the 'same side of the debate as you are on'? What side am I on?

For the record, the only party I was ever a member of are the Greens and my vote would generally go to Green/ Labour/ like minded independents. I'm the very definition of left of centre and generally liberal views. That doesn't mean though that I am not greatly concerned about the rapid changes in Irish society nor am I going to swallow every woke agenda that pops up. And I speak up on these issues as a concerned citizen.

Someone of my ilk, a centrist should be able to debate points of view on an Irish site like boards, without having to continually think 'will this align with moderator xyz's views on the matter'? That's the issue with parts of this site, it's far too censorious. I wouldn't be a great fan of Musk but his broad instincts on these matters is correct. Let the people speak and if that means you or others or I have to read a few uncomfortable viewpoints, well you or I or others don't have to ascribe to them.

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122493707#Comment_122493707

Nobody is stopping you debating anything Furze, your problem is you don't actually debate, you just soapbox. This is why you keep ending up in bother.

It's not censorious to nip your soapboxing in the bud, the moderators have to clamp down on it as it ruins threads for all other posters who are actually debating a subject on merit.

Irish Aris

On the subject of moderation:

I had considered for a while to volunteer as a mod in the site. The fora that I follow are the less contagious ones: Films, gaming (both have very good mods in place) and music which I think it doesn't have active mods and it could worth a try as for the most part people behave well and genuinely share music. (I also follow soccer, which is a bit more difficult but also has good mods and people behave for the most part).

Two main reasons that make me reluctant to go ahead with it:

1.Written words are not always easy to interpret. Obviously there are clear cut cases where you could tell when a poster takes the piss. There are also posts that are more difficult to interpret and one can easily misunderstand what another person means, what's the context. We saw it earlier in this thread. That's a general observation, applies not just to boards but to most of the Internet.

2.Specific to Boards: it's not clear what's allowed and what's not. I think Flaneur's suggestion about a full review of the charters in the site is one of the few (if not the only) suggestions that can be actioned here and now. Not to say that there weren't other good suggestions, but the luck of resources would make them rather unrealistic. I can't say what the charter should look like - in broad terms I agree with many of the points that Flaneur made, but thankfully it's not for me to decide.

Two more general observations:

-I always find that these feedback threads are almost exclusively for Current Affairs. I'll admit that I'm not using CA almost at all: I might go in a thread if the title catches my attention and scan the first 4-5 posts for any link that may give me some info on the topic (I only follow the Enoch Burke thread, initially because the topic interested me, later because it became entertaining). Rather common that the bickering and digs start straight away. I'm sure moderation isn't perfect there. I can only express admiration and respect to the mods of CA. Because my opinion is: who in their right mind would want to mod CA.

-Posters argued about balanced debate and freedom of speech and that it's a community and these are all fair points. Posters also need to remember that this is aa privately owned company. And the owners can wake up one morning and decide "f**k this" and change the rule book completely on what's allowed and what's not. People will obviously disagree and bring the points in the beginning of this paragraph, bottom line though: their company, their rules. I think it would be good that we all remember that and decide if there is anything we can do in our daily interactions here.

Dial Hard

Jesus christ, gang, some of you really need to get out more.