Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

Zeek12

I think he's referring to United's 15th place Finish, end of last season

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123891960#Comment_123891960

Pick a week and use that position, it doesn't really matter. The point still remains that when the performance is so poor, the people responsible don't get to complain about the media attention.

Don't want the media constantly commenting on your poor performance? Then perform better.

y0ssar1an22

it'd be a no thanks from me - maybe for like 50k per week. romano:

Manchester United are in talks with Harry Maguire over new deal with existing contract due to expire in June.

Face to face meeting with his camp took place in the recent days and more will follow to discuss conditions.

MUFC happy with Maguire’s contribution + leadership.

johnnyryan89

If Maguire leaves they'll have to spend money to replace him. I'd keep him around as 6th choice if his salary drops down to about 100k. He'll only play if De Ligt is missing anyway.

What way is the squad also looking in regards to home grown players for PL squad rules?

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123892533#Comment_123892533

PL I think we are ok.

15 registered non-home grown players, 6 registered Home grown (so without anymore home grown space for 2 more senior players).

I could see a number of those home grown leaving. Mee, Heaton, Shaw, Amad, Mount, Maguire are the six. Heaton, Mee seem good candidates for not being here next season. I think we'd sell Shaw if we could be maybe unlikely. And you have the query on maguire.

You also have to think Bayindir, Malacia, Zirkzee and Casemiro will leave in the next 12 months.

If Collyer is still here next season he'd need to be registered, as will Dorgu.

(Yoro, Mainoo and Heaven will still be in the U21 list - born in 2005 or later)

caviardreams

At the right wages I don't mind Harry staying on. he will be back up and at least has the right mindset. Tbf he has not been an injury magnet so likely would be fit if needed to be called on

Iseedeadpixels

Hojlund with 2 and Dorgu with 1 for Denmark tonight.

Iseedeadpixels

Not so BS after all

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15178687/man-united-takeover-uae-group-consider-bid-glazers-ratcliffe.html

https://talksport.com/football/3629120/turki-alalshikh-cryptic-man-utd-takeover-update/

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123892701#Comment_123892701

The two stories don't line up at all.

Can't be in advanced negotiations if you haven't approached the club.

Also think we can't be in advanced negotiations without the stock market being advised as such.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123892670#Comment_123892670

What's the right mindset? That he keeps plugging away despite not being good enough, that he hasn't let the criticism get to him too much? Don't mean to be too harsh, he has been a good professional... but him being been seen as some sort of leader that we'll miss, is a worry for me. He's one of the main symbols of our mediocrity imo.

We know he can't play the style of football most managers want. He might have some leadership qualities, but he is not a quality leader.

I would much rather say thank you and goodbye and see one of the younger guys step up and fill any leadership void.

Iseedeadpixels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123892794#Comment_123892794

I just posted all stories as it seems to be gathering pace.

caviardreams

I think he is resilient, professional, a team player, and not somebody who has a toxic influence on the team.

He will still need to be replaced and not sure the funds are there. Is there a young player to step up to the first team squad to replace him?

I think at fair wages him staying on an extra year would be fine and he could make a contribution to the squad.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123893041#Comment_123893041

Aren't Yorro and Heaven the young players marked for stepping up in that position?

Its all about the price really. For reasonable wages I don't particularly mind Maguire as a senior player back up. Certainly as opposed to spending money on somebody for that role.

caviardreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123893055#Comment_123893055

Yoro & Heaven are already in 1st team squad. We would need another body to replace Maguire as back up imo, especially with question marks over Martinez's return too

Bleating Lamb

Would imagine Harry would be looking for a 2 year deal if he wants to stay at Utd.

It’s not like he can become any slower,so if he could be signed on say 75k a week for 2 years,he would offer dependable back-up.

Replacing him next Season with anyone decent would cost 40m+ and similar wages.

That 40m would be better spent in MF.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123893041#Comment_123893041

We should be looking to move on Maguire, Shaw, Dalot, Cas and Bruno. The leadership 'spine' is mediocre at best and whoever is manager will surely want to rebuild around the younger core group of Yoro, Maz, Amad etc. Likewise if Mainoo wants to leave then let him go for 70m.

scudzilla

What type of crazy is happening in the football world here, talking about offering a near 33yr old, out of contract, maybe just breaks into our top 6 defenders and i've seen milk turn quicker, talking of giving him 75 GRAND A WEEK as a back up.

Jaysus, i'd be like, Thanks for your service, offer is 25k a week on a 2yr deal

johnnyryan89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123893097#Comment_123893097

It wouldn't cost £40M+ for a back up CB and no way should Maguire be given a two year deal.

keeponhurling

"replacing" Maguire next summer wouldn't mean getting in another carbon copy past-it slow 33-year old.

It would involve signing a younger player with higher potential (also higher risk I guess)

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123893379#Comment_123893379

yes - but maybe we don't want to spend on that next summer.

Casemiro likely gone, Mainoo a massive possibility to go, and question marks over Bruno? Could easily see us needing to sign at leat 2 CMs.

You probably need to get at least one winger/wingback.

That is at least 3 big money moves.

Zirkzee probably goes - so we probably need a striker - though would be a back up signing so not massive money there.

Bayindir probably goes - so we need a keeper - don't think you spend massive money there.

So now we are at 5 signings before we have looked at CCB?

Should we replace Maguire with a younger player to compete for the first team spot with MDL and push us on? Yes, imo we should. Should it be a priority next summer? Maybe not. Maybe maguire on less money (saving us ~3.5million a season) rather than signing a new CCB (Costing 40m and ~150k? - costing us ~16m a season?) is the better move next summer in terms of budgetting and financing the most impactful signings?

johnnyryan89

That young Norwegian CB that they were linked with could be got cheap next summer. Come December he'll be into the last year of his contract so come next summer he'll be free to talk to clubs about a pre contract. Might even pick him up this January if they're forced to sell before that happens.

He covers RCB and CCB maybe. But if you have Licha, Shaw, and Heaven for LCB plus Yoro, Maz, and the Norwegian for RCB then you could get away with Maguire leaving and moving Yoro maybe if De Ligt is unavailable.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123893729#Comment_123893729

big question marks over everyone at LCB imo.

Shaw a massive injury risk, always, and has been poor this season (imo).
Martinez a massive injury risk, and we've no idea to what level he will return to even if he can maintain fitness - could have lost some pace, some agility etc.
Heaven - i'm annoyed he hasn't had more of a chance this season at LCB to be honest - and as things stand you would have to think he is potential, rather than any certainty.

You could easily really need to be looking at a first choice LCB next summer.

johnnyryan89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123892599#Comment_123892599

I can't see Shaw or Mount going anywhere. Shaw will want to see out the last year of his contract before going into semi retirement abroad I could imagine. The manager loves Mount and he actually plays decent minutes. Plus he cost a lot of money and is on massive wages so moving him on would be awkward especially with his injury record.

I could see them giving Heaton another one year deal to stay around especially if Bayindir leaves the club. The young lad out on loan would also count as HG and would need to be registered if he sticks around next season.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123893874#Comment_123893874

Oh 100% I agree. Unfortunately I think we'll be stuck with Shaw for his final season so could have to try and sell Martinez to raise some funds for a first choice replacement.

Inácio has a €60M release clause in his contract. Coming into the last year of his contract you could try negotiate a cheaper price.

Heaven I wouldn't mind going on loan. He's looked good at times but still very young and inexperienced. Think a season somewhere where he's playing week in week out would be massive.

kowloonkev

Ayden Heaven should have been sent on loan for the year. Sitting on the bench is going to do absolutely nothing to help him or the club.

johnnyryan89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123894112#Comment_123894112

And who covers CB if he went out on loan this summer? You're left with Maguire, and Fredricson who should be on loan but had to stick around because of the lack of cover through injuries.

On the topic of CBs, Bournemouth's Marcos Senesi is a free agent next summer and he's left footed. Could be a nice pick up on a free transfer.

pjohnson

Theres more than enough holes without creating more by dumping Maguire.

As usual we probably wont even address all the existing holes - adding more wont help.

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123894255#Comment_123894255

We have 6 players ahead of him for centre back. Maguire, Yoro, De Ligt, Shaw, Mazraoui, Martinez (due back soon). Is that not enough?

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123894452#Comment_123894452

He should have been coming in for Shaw imo.

Yoro/Mazraoui at RCB.
MDL/Maguire CCB
Shaw/Heaven at LCB.

Martinez hasn't been in the conversation yet and Fredricson shouldn't be.

Seattle

I wouldn't be writing off Martinez by any means, an ACL injury isn't what it used to be. VVD had one when he was 29 and got back to the top after a year or so once he returned.

Also, imo the best attribute of Martinez is his ball playing and line breaking ability, something which won't be affected by his injury.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123894615#Comment_123894615

Its the ACL, on top of the injury he got in his first season, followed be the reinjury to it, followed by the ACL.

Not writing him off, but there has to be a good chance he simply won't have the acceleration or mobility he had previously, and that the degredation could be signficant.