The decline of FG?

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122826859#Comment_122826859

My previous post should have quoted this one!

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122826899#Comment_122826899

My Daughter is a teacher and I reminded her of her criticism of the budget. She was annoyed as a young worker who has to get to work the budget have her about 20 euro. Someone on long term unemployment got 12 euro and they also got the two double welfare payments worth about 500 euro+. FG was the only party that did not want to increase longterm social welfare as we have full employments.

If people think that the OPW is wasteful they should see the cost of small school build and maintenance projects managed by school managment mainly principles. Micheal O'Leary has a fair idea what he is on about and anyone that was ever on.a school.board of management know as well

harryharry25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827305#Comment_122827305

This part made me laugh "FG was the only party that did not want to increase longterm social welfare"

They are in Government who gave these increased to longterm social welfare and all their TDs were highlighting the increases when they gave them it

I see sheep

In Peter Burke's page on the FG website there's 10 'News & Statements' on his profile and 9 of them are about SF.

Almost as obsessed as some Boards posters.

(The other one is immigration) 😅

Hello Peter if you're here.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827373#Comment_122827373

I didn't think any Boards poster would be obsessed so much about a politician that they would visit their personal party webpage and analyse their news items for references to another party, but there you go, I learn something new every day.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827371#Comment_122827371

All TD's highlight when they give money to any sector. Up until this years and you we had people who were unemployed who could not get Jobs as well we had significant inflation.during the early part of FG's return to government 2011-Covid 19 we did not have jobs for everyone now we do so it was a fair option to look for this time. For the last 3 budgets FG have being looking to take middle earners out of the higher tax band, remember its a coalition they do not get everything they would like to do done

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827409#Comment_122827409

Anyone who understands coalition politics will realise that there are differences between parties, and that the relative strength of each party determines the make-up of a programme for government. Each party will have wins and losses from their time in government.

Imagine if the Greens had been the biggest party in the last coalition. We would have higher carbon taxes, cars banned from the city centre, more cycle lanes etc. They got some of what they wanted, out-performed their size, but they didn't get everything they wanted, that is the nature of coalition.

There are only a few parties (FF, FG, Labour and Greens) who understand how coalitions work. Other parties are likely to collapse a government over something small, making them a risk.

Red Silurian

3 weeks to an election, if MOL said this the day before we go to vote it wouldn't be great buy likely now to be forgotten about

To be fair I think FFG need to stop pretending to position themselves as a party who cares about lower paid workers, the homeless or jobless. Hand those voters over to the left and be done with it before they lose their core voter base of business owners, bankers and RTE employees

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827616#Comment_122827616

I would agree with you, the noise around various scandals has died down, ready to be brought up again in the last week, if a new angle can be found.

Imagine the effect in the last week of another pedophile in Sinn Fein, or another compensation claim in Fine Gael, and you get why people would wait.

I see sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827408#Comment_122827408

You wouldn't expect someone to visit a politician's website when they want to know about them?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827634#Comment_122827634

FG Compensation claim? Is that a reference to John McGahon or Maria Bailey?

In any case I recall FG dealt with the issues pretty well at the time? SF, we know, can deal with paedos trying to be part of their party fairly well also

I think if situations were reversed, a FG paedo or SF compo claim, that could spell the end for either party

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827056#Comment_122827056

More of the classic “I know you are but what am I” post genre. Lovely.

As I said, you’re a kid who pretends to care about progressive causes and those repressed, yet spends their time mudguarding on behalf of despicable people. It’s a warped worldview, but anyway.

Nothing to do with MLMD. You need to stop with this victim mentality. I think it’s fairly clear that getting a live wire like MOL to a campaign launch isn’t a good idea. I’m not sure it tabs to someone writing a glowing reference for someone found to have texted minors…perhaps FG can go down the mental health route on this.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827616#Comment_122827616

All parties in Ireland have been focused on a never ending narrowing of the tax base. There really is not much more that can be got out of it.

I am thoroughly unimpressed by basically all of the policies announced so far. The FG policy on the Apple money is a nonsense. The SF policy on tax is thick. Hopefully the Greens come up with something imaginative.

landofthetree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828089#Comment_122828089

Sinn Fein were against the low corpo tax rate up till 2007.

Sinn Fein were against EU membership till 2016.

They are populists who would destroy the country.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-20032322.html

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827305#Comment_122827305

I mean nobody should be surprised about this.

A few years ago it was even worse. It was 5 euro tax cuts to 5 euro welfare rises.

We live in a funny place where we have this constant discourse on the lower paid and welfare. Supposedly FG are worse than Thatcher when we have seen public spending double in a decade.

Quite a few of the permanently onlines heads would explode if they actually encountered a right wing government.

harryharry25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828110#Comment_122828110

We had a poster on here saying FG are the only party against these benefit hikes

FG are the ones in Govt for over a decade who brought in all these benefit hikes

Laughable stuff to say they are against something they clearly are not against

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828102#Comment_122828102

Well quite. They haven’t scrubbed a lot of their anti EEC / EC stuff from online only because it’s outside of their control.

Where I disagree is that I don’t believe they would destroy the country if for nothing that it is populism in pursuit of power.

They are FF Nua and without the representatives of the calibre that FF had for a long time.

The children who debase themselves online for the likes of Gerry Adam’s reputation will be the same ones crying in a few years about betrayal when they settle into the same style of government as the rest.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828129#Comment_122828129

Varadkar cynically used a one for everyone in the audience style of benefit rise to try and outmanoeuvre FF. It didn’t work.

I still think FG are the most fiscally restrained ones there and that’s the point really.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828066#Comment_122828066

FG have overseen

• record homelessness for children
• record waiting lists for children needing spinal surgery.
• Record waiting lists for children and teenagers accessing the Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services
• A record number of children who went missing while in the care of Tusla
• A record number of children waiting for a disability assessment
• A record number of children who have a disability but who are waiting to be seen by a specialist.

But yes, feel free to lecture me on my morals and ethics and tell me im the one mudguarding for despicable people. 😂

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828154#Comment_122828154

The people who don't see the problems, don't have the problems or actively benefit from the problems of others not getting fixed.

People quickly change their tune when they actually have problems to deal with that they can't or won't solve with their own cash.

One minute everything is wonderful, next minute they are on to the Irish Times describing the absolute terrible calamity they are having and why can't the government do something.

Idbatterim

Ffg have just handed out ten welfare bonuses, they couldn't even pretend to give a toddler about workers any more. That won't be helping them, election wise...

Idbatterim

Nail hammer and head. Ffg are blatantly left wing... ten welfare bonuses to be handed out. I'm sure the really comfortable on minimum wage etc, are throwing mommy around like confetti... its the world's largest welfare state, ironically funded hugely by the working poor and those on middle to " high" incomes...

Go to a country like Australia, the UK, Germany, US, where you earn 300,000 etc before being hanmered with the marginal rate...

landofthetree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828213#Comment_122828213

They are a Christian Democrat party. Irish people don't seem to understand that means left wing policies when it comes to welfare.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828213#Comment_122828213

In the UK a 40% tax rate kicks in at £50k then theres a 45% rate for earnings over £145k. In Germany,tax ranges from 14% - 42% up until €66k the 40% kicks in at €66k and a 45% rate at €277k.

But yeah, Australia or America would be more your cup of tea.

mehico

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122826937#Comment_122826937

From what I have been hearing, it was the response to O'Learys comments from the FG supporters in the room that has not gone down well.

Glebee

No teacher is going to vote FG after the cheering FG lackies in what has been a PR disaster for FG, any that do need to have a chat with themselves.

landofthetree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828309#Comment_122828309

If you include USC it's a different picture.

It's why you can't get a civil Engineer to work for a council, a doctor to work for the HSE or a teacher.

Also Mary Lou was begging Irish civil engineers to leave Australia where the King is head of state to come back to Ireland to take a pay cut of 60k.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828409#Comment_122828409

In all those cases, the pay scales and conditions are the problem; not tax rates.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827948#Comment_122827948

We already have the SF compo claims in the form of numerous libel cases being taken, unless you take the view that these are SLAPPs cases.

Anyway the point I am making is that any new recent scandal, or covered-up scandal will have greatest effect in the last week of the campaign.

Idbatterim

Fg are going to have big problems, they now support run away spending and don't even pretend to represent workers. So what do they stand for ?