Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123069404#Comment_123069404

so how do you go out to eg get your hair done/cut, go to church , do your shopping , go out socialising, etc, etc, or maybe all those services are delivered / provided to you at your house.

Or is there not some child recycling to raise a few euro to buy a football living near you?

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123072538#Comment_123072538

He said there isnt an RVM within walking distance. All those other things could well be in walking distance.

Go round the locality to find a child saving for a football? 🤣 You cant be serious.

Or Re-Turn could just provide the exemption for home delivery.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123072538#Comment_123072538

Get haircut = A barbers walking distance away

Go to church = Haha, good one!

Do your shopping = As I have mentioned numerous times on this thread I get my groceries delivered. Thats what started this latest conversational tangent.

Go out socialising = Taxi. Or theres a good pub about a 40 minute walk away.

Or is there not some child recycling to raise a few euro to buy a football living near you?

Then he or she is welcome to take my empties from the green bin. What does it matter if they get recycled by the green bin or an RVM, so long as they get recycled?

I told ya

This morning the machine in my local Spar would not accept Ribena bottles. Beside the barcode was UK only.

Anyone else come across this?

The OH buys the stuff, so I don't know if a deposit was charged. And she certainly won't know.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123076300#Comment_123076300

If you still have the bottle you can check the barcode on the checker to see if it is included in the scheme.

https://re-turn.shanehastings.ie/

Shout out to Shane for his ingenuity.

I told ya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123076323#Comment_123076323

Thanks for the link. And yes it is part of the scheme.

Me thinks it's time to start the revolution.

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Make sure to put the bottle the correct way around, it’s not smart enough to read barcodes upside down

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123076345#Comment_123076345

Just to be doubly sure, run it through the official Barcode Checker on the Re-Turn site.

https://re-turn.ie/

Wayne Gorsky

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123069143#Comment_123069143

yeah, I too wonder, also wonder whether some shops might sabotage those machines deliberately, the things must be a nuisance to them anyway…

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123078598#Comment_123078598

Unlikely they'd deliberately sabotage the machines.

They have paid for them and the only way they can recover the investment is by keeping them working.

Also if customers continually find the machines out of order they might decide to shop elsewhere in a store where the machines work.

Having said that a few posters have claimed that some shop workers don't like the machines so you couldn't rule out staff not being as rigourous as they need to be.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123078598#Comment_123078598

Well, I don't know about sabotage. But I'd be willing to bet good money that there's been many a false 'Out of Order' notice put up because they're sick to death of the bloody things.

Wayne Gorsky

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123078777#Comment_123078777

yeah, that at the very least

RayCon

My experience with this scheme after almost a year of operation.

Local Supervalu. Two Machines are outside the shop, which I prefer as it saves you carrying a bag of empties into a shop only to find the machine is out of order. Operational about 70% of the time, machine loading is fairly quick, don't have to re-feed the empty too regularly.

Local Lidl. Two Machines are in the lobby of the shop so not bad as you don't have to go completely into the shop. Operational about 50% of the time, machine loading is quickish, don't have to re-feed the item too regularly.

Local Aldi. One Machine, inside the shop. Pain in the arse. Operational about 70% of the time - loading is extremely slow and frustrating - almost every second item has to be reloaded.

Local Tesco. Two Machines inside the shop. Operational about 90% of the time, machine loading quickest I've experienced, very little re-feeding necessary, however I hate Tesco - only go there when I absolutely have to.

I've a pain in my hoop with this scheme.

elperello

The Claire Byrne Show on RTE Radio 1 is doing an item about DRS this morning.

dxhound2005

Clip here.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22483560/

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123104702#Comment_123104702

I stopped at the bare faced lie of

"50% reduction in litter, so we are cleaning up Ireland".

Unchallenged of course.

dxhound2005

An Taisce are also telling that "lie", about the containers in the scheme. And claiming it was measured by surveys and monitoring. Where are you getting your information from??

https://www.antaisce.org/news/nationwide-litter-levels-static-despite-success-of-deposit-return-scheme#:~:text=The%20survey%20also%20revealed%20a,Scheme%20was%20introduced%20last%20year.

The survey also revealed a near-50% fall in the prevalence of plastic bottles and cans in the 500+ sites monitored since the Deposit Return Scheme was introduced last year.

“We are definitely seeing cans and bottles disappear from our streets, which is very welcome – not only are they unsightly, but the bottles contribute to the very real problem of plastic pollution. However, it is clear from our survey that people continue to discard a wide range of litter types with flagrant disregard for their surroundings,” says Conor Horgan. Sweet wrappers and fast-food wrappers were the most common litter types, ahead of plastic bags and coffee cups, which were present in over 20% of sites. 

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105110#Comment_123105110

The clue is in the literal headline of the article you are referencing.

jj880

A lot of half promises and maybes there. Hes still at his nonsense of "if people dont want their money back". Ffs give over.

Complete spoof about litter reduction. Apparently when people know there are no bottles and cans in bins they wont dump them out scavenging for them. Super stuff. Never explained how someone is supposed to see into bins though. Not queried by interviewer.

Parts of that interview were positive but there is still a long way to go on transparency. Still no figure for how much of our money is in the Re-Turn coffers in non refunded deposits and the plans for it.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123072943#Comment_123072943

It is a very strange location that has a barbers in walking distance but not a recycle machine. Very strange.

You could always stop off beside the pub and return them for some drinking money.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105226#Comment_123105226

I'm not looking for clues. The information you called a lie is literally written down in the article.

The survey also revealed a near-50% fall in the prevalence of plastic bottles and cans in the 500+ sites monitored since the Deposit Return Scheme was introduced last year.

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105996#Comment_123105996

Thats not what Foley said in the interview. He said:

"50% reduction in litter. We're cleaning up Ireland".

Not the same as plastic bottles and cans. So according to your article that you linked what he said is a lie:

Newest survey shows nationwide litter levels static despite success of Deposit Return Scheme

You're pointing him out as a liar yourself.

In fact if bottles and cans are down 50% and overall litter levels are static it could be argued that the type of litter around the country now is dirtier than it was pre DRS.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105695#Comment_123105695

It is a very strange location that has a barbers in walking distance but not a recycle machine. Very strange.

There are villages all over ireland that have a barbers and/or a hairdressers but not a supermarket. Maybe take a trip outside of Blanchardstown before you start giving advice.

JayBee66

I don't see any reduction in littering. I see just as many cans and plastic bottles as before and Re-Turn does nothing for other forms of packaging.

The rich kids throwing stuff into the hedges from their cars around here probably put so much money up their noses at the weekend that 15c is nothing to them. The extra cost of their caffeine boost was no more noticeable than a yearly inflationary rise.

I think some people make it a matter of honour to throw 15c out of their car windows. You could probably put a €1 deposit on a can of Red Bull and they'd still buy it and chuck the can afterwards.

Still, it has incentivised me to exercise more. I can fill a plastic bag on a single 30 minute walk. €10 off my supermarket shop, every week!

By the way, I live in rural Ireland. I struggle to find anything in the nearest city.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105996#Comment_123105996

Dig UP for God sake.

Jinglejangle69

Panda increasing bin charges as they aren’t making money anymore from recycling plastic.

So once again people are punished for doing what we were told is a great initiative.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123107653#Comment_123107653

"Thats got noting to do with return" - will be the response here from the usual suspects.

Mr. teddywinkles

Think irelands more littered than ever. Especially the countryside

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123107717#Comment_123107717

And that's a problem.

Ray who sounds like he has about as much enthusiasm for the scheme as I do for women's cricket is allowed go on a national broadcaster and tell blatant lies.

When people hear, well 'we have halved the litter problem we are cleaning up Ireland' and that goes unchallenged they take it at face value for a time.

There is a lot of vested interests in this scam, no more so than the Councils and LA's who are using it to further dissolve themselves from litter collection and management.

Now revert back when the national campaign was in full swing trying to sell the scam and when it was pointed out to the vast vast majority of these items are offered for recycling in the home, it pivoted it to an on the on the go litter collection scheme, we were told all sorts of horror stories of how bottles and cans makes up a massive portion of litter and this will cure it.

There was figures produced from the last time this scheme was being pushed that bottles and cans make up at best 3% of litter.

Turns out it isn't even that high.

Hilariously but predictably this scheme could see the litter problem worsen. Also pointed out at the time.

But but but clap harder we are helping the environment.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123107905#Comment_123107905

Mannix Flynn on with Pat Kenny yesterday said he has seen people ripping open plastic bags on the street and collecting any intact cans or bottles found in the bags. Unsurprisingly, they don't then sweep up the mess they have left behind they just let it blow around.

"But it works in other countries". Maybe it was underestimated how cunning Irish people are?