Reseeding 2024

morphy87

have many here reseeding to do the year coming? I have two bits to do, I was hoping to do around July and some shortly but the piece I was going to do shortly, plough hopefully,I might need to get a cut of silage off it now, what way could I work this, I know you can spray before you cut and then reseed, is there any other way around this? If I ploughed mid June when could I hope to have Calfs back on the field?

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058348574/reseeding-2024

have have acres ploughed since sept weather broke and I got stuck with it. It’s heavy ground enough but hoping maybe next week the contractor could come back to get it harrowed out and sown. Il ring him next week see what he thinks. Will be sowing some oats alone with this as it was bird cover so will be weedy.

Also have another 5acres that need to be drained first got and the hedges tidied up and drains cleaned just need to get it shored also have a few piles of bushes to clear would usually burn them but it’s along a main road so we will see.

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058348574/reseeding-2024

You would have to wait a few weeks for the grass to have enough leaf to spray if you don’t want to spray before you cut the silage.

Limestone Cowboy

Multi species going in it first thing in the morning. Failed to do it last September when the weather broke.

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122059503#Comment_122059503

great looking earth. This your first go at multi species?

funkey_monkey

Got 12 acres that were bought that need attention. Likelihood is it won't be done this year though.

Going to mulch rushes and then spray the regrowth. Might put in some drains too - will wait and see how/if it dries out over the summer, no point reseeding without sorting the drains. Moss is all through it. Don't think it can come back into grass without a reseed, can it?

Have to sort the silage ground, got it samples and needs lime. Was told that it could be wasting about half of fertiliser spread due to ph and the indexes. So that is a higher priority.

Lots of work to do, little time to think it through properly and even less funds to finance it all!

limo_100

that 12 acres if it’s new to you I would prob just tidy it up clean the main drains and then plough it I would monitor then over the next few years and see where the drainage is needed. That’s how I don’t a bit recently and the few wet spots that have appeared since it was ploughed I would have never knew they were there. I will go back now maybe this year add in some shores. (I did however close a main drain but I filled it to the top with stone.

Limestone Cowboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122059685#Comment_122059685

Ah it's not as good as it looks, it's a bit that was reclaimed last year and it's poor enough stuff to be honest. No I'd 2 acres sowed 2 years ago in a bit I reclaimed aswell. Grows like stink.

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122061483#Comment_122061483

that looks great how do the cattle perform on it? I was told last year that multi species needs very good dry land to grow right is that true or not ?? I know it is probably true with red clover

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122060289#Comment_122060289

It's poor as piss. Was long term rented previously. Had it a few years now, and cleaned main drains, refenced, put mains water to each field.

Rushes have come up shocking on it in the last while. So I'll get them mulched, slay regrowth and then a good coat of slurry. I think the ground is very low in nutrients, might need to bring them back up before attempting any reseed.

I've identified where a few drains are needed, but whether they can be done this year or not is unknown.

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122061837#Comment_122061837

is it all in one piece or can maybe do half of it or is it all the one parcel and has to be complete at the same time. I have 5 acres myself need to close a few main drains and then drain it before ploughing it tbh I could do without it this year as it’s going to cost a lot but il try and power through.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122061483#Comment_122061483

Sowed a small bit of chickory last year with some clover, once established it grows really well alright.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122062911#Comment_122062911

did you plough or overseed

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122062937#Comment_122062937

Neither really, it was some ground with furze that I had cleared with a digger, spread the seed on top and rolled it.

Hyland17

What is the cost this year for plough, powerharrow and seed this year? Be based in the west.

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122062094#Comment_122062094

Its split. Heavy rushes in part good grass in parts and moss strangling grass in others.

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122070361#Comment_122070361

What kinda seed mix did you got with Boss??

limo_100

I was looking at grass seed today and I would normally go with with Agritech 4a seed but I was having a look at gold crop seeds today they have some good grazing mix’s but I noticed one of the grazing mix’s had chicory in it along with the grass and the clover. Would this be a good in addition in the mix ?? I have never done multi species so have no experience of it. And if it was cut in silage would it preserve ok?

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071750#Comment_122071750

None yet. That is what it's like currently. All across the fields are patches of good grass, rushes or that moss.

Not seen fertiliser in probably 10 years.

Wondering if a grass tine harrow would pull up enough moss to let the grass establish.

It is peaty ground in places so I've no idea which mix would be suitable.

limo_100

I have ground of a peaty nature just need to get the seed into it this year. My ground wouldn’t be as good as that ground. I purchased the difficult soils mix from germinal and I got it without Timothy. What ever you do make sure not to get Timothy in the mix unless your plan is to make hay in it every year. Timothy is a horrible species never liked it

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122072937#Comment_122072937

I have ground of a peaty nature just need to get the seed into it this year. My ground wouldn’t be as good as that ground. I purchased the difficult soils mix from germinal and I got it without Timothy. What ever you do make sure not to get Timothy in the mix unless your plan is to make hay in it every year. Timothy is a horrible species never liked it

DJ98

What would be the best spray to use to spray off old grass before reseeding?

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122070361#Comment_122070361

What works be the best approach with this old pasture in these photos above?

If it needs drains, it will get them. Otherwise my approach will be to lime it and then go from there. Is there any way to kill off the mossy thatch and give the grass a chance? Or will the lime do that?

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122123373#Comment_122123373

Roundup or gallup is what I have used in the past, and will be using it again this year. anyone know what spray can be used on established reseeds to kill of grassland weeks like crowsfoot chickweed and so on with out damage to the clover?

dmakc

What is the ball park cost to get a tillage field into standard grass this summer? Nothing being done by myself.

Only thing to note it's very bumpy where you cross over the tillage tracks

Omallep2

What qty of glosphoate and water per acre would you use?

PoorFarmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122140685#Comment_122140685

Application rates will be on the data sheet of whatever product you are using. Application rates can differ for different types of vegetation.

Reggie.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122140232#Comment_122140232

From spraying to sowing about €150 should cover it.

You provide the spray and seed.

Rolling not included or stone picking

DJ98

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122139935#Comment_122139935

Tirlanfarmlife.com have this spray listed

https://www.tirlanfarmlife.com/shop/product/ProClova-XL/9138918?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwupGyBhBBEiwA0UcqaMHh83zd2F8JsNWT3xn9OgekxO3JBPZf3khYoGMRkCMmJfEwVc0oKxoCTCUQAvD_BwE

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122142528#Comment_122142528

Thanks its expensive but what isn't these days, want to keep the sward clean so will use it in the after grass

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122142241#Comment_122142241

Not much change out of 320e including fertiliser.

Reggie.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122143193#Comment_122143193

Nope. Can be costly day 1 but very beneficial.

Never had anyone come back to me to say they regretted reseeding

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122144022#Comment_122144022

Totally agree, Im just saying its not cheap.

DJ98

How long from the time of spraying off to grass been fully established and ready for grazing again? So essentially how long is a filed out of the rotation for, would it be 2 months or longer?

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146445#Comment_122146445

Roughly

7-10 days for burning off

Allow a few days to get it tilled and sowed

6 weeks then to graze so yeah 2 months would be about right.

Of course the weather plays a huge part. A drought spell will add delays

visatorro

Anyone ploughing grassland anymore. I've paddocks with docks and old **** grass. Would burying it altogether be a better job than just discing?

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147334#Comment_122147334

Docks will comeback even with plough. **** grass will die regardless

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147334#Comment_122147334

going to do 2 paddock this year with the plough after not using one for 10 years. Think it might improve drainage

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147349#Comment_122147349

I done a field last year with a plough, I think it definitely helped to improve the drainage, I know a big dairy farmer that I was chatting to a few days ago, he has his own plough, his ground is very heavy and he reckons the plough is better as it breaks the pan underneath

visatorro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147346#Comment_122147346

I know dirty bastards. It's more the old tough grass. Was thinking there would be less trash aswell.

visatorro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147349#Comment_122147349

The drainage wouldn't be an issue with these paddocks. Bit poached alright. They were ploughed around 2000 so hopefully iv all the big stones lifted!

148multi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122140685#Comment_122140685

20 litres of normal glyphosate will cover 7-8 acres, can't tell amount of water. Put some washing up liquid in.

morphy87

I ploughed a field last year, luckily I got it down in the Autumn, it was saturated all last summer and got destroyed, so I have 60 cattle on it now and it’s actually fairly dry but the cattle are doing a small bit of cutting up around the ditch’s and water trough, will this do it any harm, only for it’s a new reseed job I wouldn’t be worried about it

limo_100

Reseeded a field last year that I bought and also reseeded one of my meadows along with it put same seed in both of them but my own field is out performing the field I bought I know its down to the index's but just wondering how can I build then p and k without slurry as my shed isin't on the same block. I even put out 4bags to the acre of cut sward on this field and 3 on the other and trying to compensate 😂 but I must say grass is gone make quality silage hopefully take it around end of the month

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122155230#Comment_122155230

would 18.6.12 not be better to improve indexes

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122155245#Comment_122155245

Yeah it would be but I wanted more nitrogen for the silage. I will apply 18-6-12 now for grazing. I find 18-6-12 doesn't yield a good first cut fast enough and I want to get a quality first cut.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122155230#Comment_122155230

A first cut crop of silage will remove about 20 units of P and about 120 units of K from the ground. The four bags of Cut Sward is only supplying 10 units P and 40 units of K. You would really need to be spreading 3 bags 0;7;30 and 3.5 bags Cut Sward and maybe half bag of 50%K in the autumn to replace off take and build indices. Get pH correct first and test again.

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156134#Comment_122156134

Would cattle slurry supply all of that as well on its own? What k and p would 3000 gals of cattle slurry to the acre supply? Lime is done put out 3t to the acre last year which is what the soil test called for. Il put out some 0-7-30 in sept should help bring up the index's

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158138#Comment_122158138

The quality of the slurry depends on the animals diet and the nutrient status of the ground that the silage came off of. Meal feeding will increase the quality of the slurry and if the silage came off of well fertilized ground with good indices. Cattle don't manufacture P & K, it has to be brought on to the farm in some form.

jfh

Lads, I have a silage field that has a few ruts in it from fertiliser and slurry spreading, thinking about reseeding it, it was probably last done 12 years ago, I have slurry out on it again. Should I leave it a few weeks to green up and then spray it off? Usually reseed a small bit in the autumn, this is my first time reseeding silage ground since I took over, I thinking it might be well into June before it's ready to till

Reggie.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122160867#Comment_122160867

YeYeaG let it green up a small bit first if ya could