Crunch Time for EU with EVS and EU Green Deal

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122073931#Comment_122073931

I mean, was it wise to cut the grant when prices were falling?

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122074642#Comment_122074642

Imo yes so long as released funding is invested in the public charging infrastructure. It has been obvious that manufacturers were using the grant to keep 'sticker' prices high and many buyers were using it to fund big wheels and other nice to have options. So, again IMO it was simply a waste of scarce tax revenues.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122073241#Comment_122073241

one will always chase the other as the SEAI grant is a tapered system designed to be removed at some point.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122075506#Comment_122075506

Almost 1 year later and has much of that tax been invested into the infrastructure? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that it has

Tax revenues aren't scarce, the country is currently awash with money

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078111#Comment_122078111

I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that it hasn't.

Flinty997

I assume it went in the general tax take it wasn't ring fenced in any way?

Personally I think the are bigger issues that would discouraged people from EVs. But in other countries a reduction in grants has seen sales decrease. Perhaps it's unhappy coincidence with other events in the market place..

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078150#Comment_122078150

We shouldn't be referring to it as 'tax'. It was a grant that was reduced. There are other grants coming on stream including ones for charging in apartments and other shared parking areas.

Flinty997

Sorry my bad.

celtic_oz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065627#Comment_122065627

Hmm not sure if this is acurate anymore, China are set to dominate renewables and peak coal for them is only around the corner.

https://youtu.be/bmz4nzcsx-4?si=_dvYljWJsGOAU74C&t=514

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078325#Comment_122078325

Which produces more energy, an increase of 300 GW of renewables or a 200 GW increase in coal fired plants?

Personally, I will not admire, or cheer on, a massive renewables push that is enabled by slave labour.

celtic_oz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078359#Comment_122078359

It depends on load factor, geograpical dispersion and storage abilites .. which if you had watched the video I linked you might understand how they plan to decarbonise.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078382#Comment_122078382

Thank's, but I'm not going to sit through your 20 min video.

celtic_oz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078392#Comment_122078392

touche!

😆

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078175#Comment_122078175

There's already a grant for charging in apartments, which not many apartments have used. There is a grant for sports clubs to install chargers, which again very few have taken up.

What is different about the new grants so that they will be taken up better than the current grants?

The 4 Dublin local authorities announced nearly 2 years ago that they will have 1650 charge points by 2025, I don't see much progress on this.

The government cut the grants for EVs but they haven't done much about getting the charging infrastructure built up apart from plenty of press releases.

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078605#Comment_122078605

Have you any data on any of this?

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078111#Comment_122078111

And you think higher EV grants for people spending up to €60k on a new car is a priority use of the largesse the Govt is obviously unnecessarily extracting from the taxpayer? The fact that the savings from the grant reduction havent been reinvested in the public charging infrastructure is a separate matter and another e.g. of the failure of our Govt to improve the lot of the population of this country. Awash with money indeed. 2025 is going to be a great year

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078822#Comment_122078822

The grant was a small part of an attempt to increase the number of EVs on the road, we have a reduction for the first time ever. Personally I'd rather give a grant to somebody buying a 60k EV than have them buy a 60k petrol SUV

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078605#Comment_122078605

It's being rolled out under the Zevi led programme to meet our Ten-T infrastructure requirements, the submission deadline was last week.

TII is launching a new €21m grant scheme, funded by the Department of Transport through the Zero Emission Vehicles Ireland unit (ZEVI), to incentivise and accelerate the development of Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure (EVCI) on most of the motorway/dual-carriageway elements of the national road network (NRN) in the State. The Alternative Fuel Infrastructure Regulation (AFIR) provides mandatory targets to be achieved by Member States for EV charging infrastructure dedicated to both LDVs and HDVs on the TEN-T. In response to the above, Ireland has set its own national targets for en-route Electric Vehicle Charging Infrastructure as outlined in the Draft National En-Route EV Charging Network Plan 2022-2030 and the Climate Action Plan 2024. The objective of the scheme is to support the achievement of national EVCI targets and mandatory European targets. In this initial scheme, TII will provide grant funding in connection with the roll-out of en-route EVCI and in particular high-powered en-route charging infrastructure for light duty vehicles (LDV). The Scheme is an “aid scheme” for the purposes of, and within the meaning of General Block Exemption Regulation, (GBER). TII hereby invites interested parties to participate in the Competition, with the objective of securing a Grant in relation to Eligible Costs incurred by it. TII has chosen to advertise this Competition via eTenders (and via national press) to ensure that it is brought to the attention of interested Applicants. However, the Grant Letter is not a public contract or a public concession contract within the meaning of Directives 2014/23, 2014/24 or 2014/25 (the “Procurement Directives”) and the provisions of the Procurement Directives do not apply to this Competition. Notwithstanding that, TII is choosing to follow a process which is broadly similar to the open procedure described within the Procurement Directives, Applicants should have no expectation or understanding that the Procurement Directives will be applied by TII during the Competition (for example, and without limitation, TII reserves the right to proceed to award of the Grant Letter without observing a standstill period).

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079938#Comment_122079938

All I can see is more chargers for en route charging, nothing about apartments or shared parking. Checking on Gov.ie the information for ZEVI on apartments or street parking hasn't been updated since last year.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122081422#Comment_122081422

The government cut the grants for EVs but they haven't done much about getting the charging infrastructure built up apart from plenty of press releases.

It was a response to you saying they aren't doing much about building up infrastructure, hard to say they're not doing anything when there's a tender currently in play to do it.

I do think lots more needs to be done for private shared parking.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122081439#Comment_122081439

They are doing a good job on the en route infrastructure. But people aren't going to buy an EV if they can't access chargers at home or near to home at a reasonable price and they don't appear to be doing anything for these. The sales of BEVs has stalled yet nothing is been done to make it possible for people without off street parking to run a BEV

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122081499#Comment_122081499

They are not the reason it has stalled.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122081770#Comment_122081770

How do you know it's not part of the reason? If people can't get access to charging at home they aren't going to buy a BEV and a sizeable portion of the population don't have off street parking.

Apartment or local charging hubs will encourage people to get an BEV, having more en route charging isn't going to get people to buy a BEV. Yet the government is building up the en route charging, for people who already own BEVs, while doing nothing to enable people to buy a BEV. Most car journeys are less than 20km.

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122081847#Comment_122081847

If it is a part, it's a very small part. The uptake currently is only a fraction of the homes capable of putting in a charge point. About 1/3rd of car owners (from Electric Vehicle Policy Pathway 2021) do not have off street parking. In the same year there were over 2.25 million cars in Ireland. Two thirds of that is a long way ahead of the current fleet of BEVs (approx 50k).

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122081847#Comment_122081847

Seems logical considering the market turmoil, and the deluge of FUD across all media. The situation with on street parking hasn't changed but the market has.

The issue isn't "most" journeys. If you can't do that journey you do 5% of the time easily, how easy the other 95% of journey is irrelevant for many people. That's a showstopper for many. Not me personally, but I see that perspective.

I get the on street parking, angle. I just think, its a market that will be facilitated last. The policy for growing the instructure explains why they've taken this approach.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122082029#Comment_122082029

Community groups and residents associations could do a lot to facilitate this. Setting up communal chargers in their areas to allow residents to charge at or very close to home rates (while charging market rates for those outside their community to enable a break-even situation) is one solution the govt could provide a starting-up investment on

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089066#Comment_122089066

Wouldn't the cost and availability of land make this a non-starter?

celtic_oz

here come the Chinese ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od7rHzFJSQI

sh81722

Chinese don't hang about and they really have a can do attitude and it's the delaying the inevitable to have this investigation about state subsidies. Europe subsidises car makers as well indirectly, but if they are not productive and innovative enough to survive it will just be throwing good money to the businesses that will still eventually fail.

I wish we had more drive to do stuff instead of having endless meetings about meetings.

These Zeekrs look really cool btw, Chinese designs really are getting handsome.

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065627#Comment_122065627

100% agree with this.

Many EV cheerleaders who should know better are willfully ignorant to the fact that the goal of Chinese government subsidised manufacturers is to undercut and eliminate European competition, and the fact that they're ahead in EV's makes that job so much easier.