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Croatians attacked in Dublin, one man dead - read OP before posting

  • 03-04-2024 9:12pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭rowantree18


    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/first-pic-croatian-man-who-28935970

    Reading about the murder (imho it is murder) of this young man whose family have had to turn off his life support today. His injuries were catastrophic. Got me thinking, is Ireland really is not safe for foreigners, be they residents here or tourists.

    Remember:

    The 2 Polish lads murdered by basically kids

    The German students murdered by kids

    That Italian guy attacked in Fairview left in a wheelchair paralysed from the neck down

    Swiss student Manuela Riedo raped and killed

    Imagine being called and told your son was attacked by a gang of scrotes and beaten so badly his injuries have led to his death. What kind of people do this - I'd wager our local lifelong welfare class. This man, an EU citizen, was working, contributing. It gives us a terrible reputation abroad. My heart goes out to his family - how they will cope I don't know.

    My daughter and her Spanish partner live here currently and he finishes work late at night in town. I'm terrified something is going to happen to him. We've an underclass here who fear nothing, are capable of anything and barely have any repercussions. They do a bit of time and get out and back on the dole. Free house and money, multiple kids. I'm ashamed and truly horrified. May that poor man - Josip- rest in peace.

    Mod warning

    OK, let's drop the Sweden talk. This happened in Dublin. And this is not another thread about immigration either, so anyone tempted to try and continue that avenue of discussion can expect a minimum of a threadban

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭foxsake


    The 2 Polish lads murdered by basically kids 2008

    The German students murdered by kids 2012

    That Italian guy attacked in Fairview left in a wheelchair paralysed from the neck down 1999

    Swiss student Manuela Riedo raped and killed 2007

    These were terrible events but if you going back that far - nealy 25 years - for 4 examples kinda means the opposite that Ireland is kind of safe. esp for foreigners.

    Other countries would have many more tourists or foreigners murdered even within europe which would be considered safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    also the instance of it being a a foreigner increases as more arrive, which is increasing all the time.

    This isn’t a problem with foreigners it’s a problem with the government of this country and the becoming more untouchable and increasing in quantity of s*um allowed to roam free.

    And it isn’t just Irish I class in that category.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    This, it is nowt to do with being foreign. If it wasn't that, it would be for being from the countryside, if not that the wrong part of Dublin, if not that, the way you looked at them, if not that, the way you didn't look at them. Scum being scum and until Gardai are properly supported with numbers, sentences that fit the crime and a judicial system that seems to not punish certain crimes which are morally reprehensible, then nothing will change.

    All of this said, Ireland as a whole is still one of the safest places to live. In other countries, many of our news stories wouldn't even make a note in a paper, let alone the national news.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,422 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Link added to the op

    This thread is not going down the route of comparing Irish murders vs foreign born murders, not a hope. It'll turn into a xenophobic mess and if it even hints at heading in that direction I'll close it in a heartbeat

    Feel free to discuss the assault, the man's death and other related issues.

    If there is an arrest and charges filed then the thread will have to be closed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    https://www.thejournal.ie/condemnation-assault-croatian-man-died-josip-strok-6349266-Apr2024/

    I'm surprised this didn't get more media attention. Have we become so desensitized around street-crime in Dublin or race hatred? I think even 2-3 years ago this would have been one of those news stories that brought the nation to a standstill.

    I understand there are people with genuine concerns about immigration and they're entitled to their views. That said I think the responsible thing for those people to do is to strongly and clearly distance themselves from the far-right and the hatred. Please don't let this horrible element hide under your coat-tails. Make your points and have your say, but please be careful and think about how you say it, and what you post and share online.

    From the article a comment by Dublin community activist on the far-right and their presence online.

    "“Do not attend their events, do not listen to their lies, and do not spread their poison on social media. Anyone who does so is only doing further damage to our communities, and will end up with more innocent peoples blood on their hands’.”"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I don't know, men getting beaten to death never really garners that much attention in this country, certainly doesn't bring the country to a standstill. A couple of foreign blokes getting jumped in Clondalkin isn't really a headline grabber like the Aisling Murphy thing. If they were American tourists I've no doubt it would be different though as we seem to be lapdogs to the USA, like when the place went into meltdown over that American on Talbot St. I can tell you from having a family member killed in a similar way to this Croatian that the media don't really care that much if you're a single bloke with no kids that gets killed in an area like Clondalkin or Finglas.

    Some scumbags must have started sh*t with them, the types who'd start on you for anything. I hope they catch the scum who did this and lock them away for a long time but won't hold my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'm always sceptical when the 'activists' are the ones sharing a story.

    Not condoning the assault but I'm sure there's more to this than being claimed in that report.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭randd1


    A girl I used to work with, her mam was fluent in Irish, and often visited a friend in Dublin who spoke Irish, and the two would openly talk in Irish. They did so on time waiting on the Luas, when a group of young lads started screaming at them to fu©k back to their own country if they want to speak their own language.

    While I've heard nothing regarding the case, I don't think it was a case of the man being Croatian being targeted, and more a case of scumbags looking for any excuse to be scumbags.

    The story from my friend always stuck with me, because it just gave me the constant notion that the type of scumbags that would do something like that do it not because they think the person was foreign, but because they're utterly ignorant scumbags that don't care about the consequences of their actions looking for any excuse to attack someone for nothing. Feral scum is just feral scum, and we don't deal hard enough with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well it sounds like they were targeted for being different according to the guy who survived, the scum who did this tend to be racist and also bigoted towards everyone who's in any way not like them. Their parents are most likely the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yeah I wonder why the protect are women and children crowd aren't out on the streets demanding garda presence etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭prunudo


    as you say, scum bags are going to be scumbags. The 'activists' are pushing the race angle, doesn't mean that was the case. The poor chap who was killed is a white European, yet its claimed he was called a black monkey.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    the black monkey story is another attack that happened in the Liberties a couple of days ago.

    yes scumbags are being scumbags, i.e. bigoted little c*nts who hate anyone who's different, that doesn't mean they're not racist on top of everything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Why were those same “activists” protesting when the American tourist was brutally beaten??

    Using that poor man’s murder to further their agenda. Disgraceful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    no because the american didn't say he was attacked for not speaking english, see the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Great to see you’ve solved the case, motive included. I assume this has been passed on to Gardai ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    it's the same on twitter, you and your ilk are pissed off because this is being called out as a xenophobic attack, it's bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I had been trying to give some posters the benefit of the doubt, but I think it's clear boards.ie has it's own problems with this element.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭prunudo


    you're right, i thought it was the same incident. I feel really sad for the country at present, so many issue's from law and order to housing to health. We aren't in a good place at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    well the take on these things - "It's not racist or xenophobic our scumbags would attack anyone" pisses me off. Our scumbags are racist and xenophobic and homophobic and all the rest, they attack anyone who's different because they're bigoted morons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭prunudo


    but different to them could simply be a Dub from a different estate. They probably could be everything you described but the chances are they're just trouble makers with no fear of the law and should be locked up years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I have seen videos posted online where they stick mobile phones in the faces of people they consider different and shout abuse at them.

    This sounds like an escalation of that sort of misbehaviour.



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    Boards can be the pits, a man was beaten to death that's it. They followed him home in a car after comming across them outside an off licence.

    There has to be a psychological investigation in to why these things happen what triggers young men to commit voilence on other men who are strangers to them.

    It's not good enough to say they are scumbags.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,975 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I feel sorry for immigrants who are in the belly of the beast. They are put into violent and chaotic neighbourhoods to live alongside some of the most troubled people in the country.

    As seen by a string of newspaper stories on the WRC, they are often exploited and paid starvation wages.

    Fat and happy 'liberal activists' will never take any responsibility for any of this. Their goal is just to shove in as many random people from foreign places as possible, use them as cudgel to accuse people of racism, proclaim (wrongly) that's it's 'good for the economy' (it isn't).

    They also ensure sentencing guidelines, punishments, policing, deterrence for violent crime is kept as light touch as possible. Buttressed by quite dubious sociological theories.

    When it all goes wrong, as it must, these 'activists' never engage in soul-searching about their failed attempts to engineer 'communities' of unrelated peoples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    right trying to blame the liberals or whatever on this is ridiculous, the man killed was an EU citizen who had a good job in construction. this is purely the fault of some absolute scumbags.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Meanwhile the "activists" on the other side are making their harassment videos and posting them online to wind up the easily led.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Ah you know yourself. We have a habit in Ireland of trying to deny racism is a problem. It's clear from all reports this was a racist attack.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    That makes no sense.

    You have heard nothing about it but made conclusions based on...... nothing!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No. That's not it. A man was beaten to death because he wasn't speaking English. Why are you trying to deny the racism and bigotry linked to the crime?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,088 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    'David Družinec told Croatian news site Telegram that the people shouted phrases such as “speak English”, “you are in Ireland” and “you have no respect for our country”.'

    That sounds pretty blatantly racist/xenophobic to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,005 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You seem to be just another poster ignoring the fact that this was a xenophobic attack, the left isn't to blame for the xenophobia. The people happily ignoring and often condoning it are very much so a part of the problem though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,975 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I hadn't commented on that aspect of it. I do agree there was an element of xenophobia, and in fact a Croatian acquaintance of mine was punched full on in the face without warning in Temple Bar two years ago.

    Nonetheless the OP, and the 'community activists' he quoted, immediately politicised this and linked it to anti-immigration political activity (though there's no evidence so far that this crime was explicitly politically motivated).

    In which case I think it's fair enough for me to introduce my own critical perspective on how it relates to immigrationism. Which of course is controversial, but then what isn't when it comes to issues like these.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,422 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Threads merged

    Can all posters please take note of the mod warning in post 5 thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i mean to be fair, there's a bunch of low lifes in coolock now getting groups of 10 year olds to chant "get them out get them out". do you think this is going to help them turn out to be good people that don't judge people on the language they're speaking or appearance? that kind of thing manifests itself in horrible ways unfortunately, i'm not sure these kids will be differentiating between IPAS applicants and any bleedin' foreigner when they're older and starting trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Let scumbags run amok for years while constantly apologising for them (they've no faciliteeeez, he's a great footballer etc.) and let them rack of endless convictions all while we are told it's perfectly safe and fine because Honduras has more crime and this is what you can expect



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    On the random violence aspect.

    They had never met the man they killed before the killing they followed him and his brother home in a car and beat him to death outside his house.

    So what triggers them is a central point.

    There have been cases where a cyclist was pulled off his bike and beaten nearly to death what about the cyclist triggered them? Gay people have been randomly attacked and beaten.

    Perceived privilege is often a motivation as well.



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    Nature or nurture though can a child through nurture become violent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I think there is a habit of denying that Ireland is a racist country, which makes perfect sense because Ireland is not a racist country. Yes, there are racist people in Ireland, but not all of them are Irish, and I would even dare to say that the racists per capita ratio is much higher in non Irish communities. On the list of real problems Ireland have racism is quite low. A much bigger problem are violent criminals with 20+ criminal convictions not being locked up for the rest of their lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    This is what happens when you've weak governance as regards justice over the last few decades and most certainly the worst minister for justice in the history of this state. Scummers are gonna scum i don't think it matters if you are foreign or not. I got assaulted on Westmoreland street and hospitalised back in the 90's for being from the southside of Dublin and speaking with an apparently posh accent lol (for context i grew up in a council estate that happened to be in Dundrum) by a group of thugs. They didn't care if i was white, black, Asian etc.. all they seen was a target by themselves and went to town on me.

    Probably is those same lads kids now doing the same thing to others now in and around the city centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    but they did care if you were different, you said it yourself that they attacked you for being different. these people will also attack people for being a different race, that's called a racist attack. our scumbags are awful scumbags, being racist is one of their traits, they don't get away with being called racist because they're scumbags. racism is part of their oeuvre.

    i mean it's like saying some redneck trump supporter who hates mexicans, immigrants, blacks, LGBTQ people, isn't actually racist because they're just generally awful people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    And yet this thread is about a racist killing…

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,214 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    But that's not true.

    This guy was killed for not speaking English and for not being from Ireland.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You can pretend that the real problem is not the real problem but that doesn't make it go away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Would you be trying to steer it that direction?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    The same people that protected the scums rights to act like animals are now turning against them and suddenly care about their **** behaviour when they can latch onto a racist angle. It's all very strange. It's grand to act like a piece of garbage, we will champion your cause, once you don't do anything non PC.



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