The repercussions of the Irish soldiers who trained a rogue general’s army in Libya

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121976562#Comment_121976562

Ah sorry, I see the 'new' account status now (plus the last few posts), that's fair enough alright

CalamariFritti

What would they be training anyway? Latest Health & Safety regs, something with 'compliance'? Gettin' the Libyan general ready for ISO9003?

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121976545#Comment_121976545

Support of Hamas? Really? Can i have some of whatever you are smoking?

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121978625#Comment_121978625

From the Irish Times article:

“We were teaching snipers. We had specialised snipers out to train them, we had mortars, reconnaissance, medical, machine gun support,” said one former soldier who worked in the operation and who spoke on condition of anonymity, having signed a non-disclosure agreement.

dulpit

The specific issue here from a defence forces point of view seems to be this:

One person who flew out to work as a trainer in Libya was still enlisted as a member of the Defence Forces, according to three people familiar with the situation, while others had recently been discharged.

There is also the following mention:

Members of the Defence Forces can sometimes accumulate substantial amounts of leave to use up before being formally discharged. Defence Forces authorities have previously had to step in to prevent members from moonlighting during their leave in private security roles overseas that clash with their army role. Departing soldiers remain bound by military law for six months after their discharge.

Although there is no specific mention that any soldiers that fall under this category have been in Libya.

The full story is here for what it's worth:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/04/03/irishmen-training-army-of-libyan-strongman-khalifa-haftar-in-apparent-breach-of-un-embargo/

A Rainy Day in Dakar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121978637#Comment_121978637

There has been no evidence to support this suggestion yet but the coordinated and professional manner of the Hamas attack suggest professional outside involvement. In fact, Ireland being one their biggest international supporters and Mary Lou McDonald hosting a leader from Hamas in Ireland as recently as 2020, suggests it is conceivable that there was professional military and indeed Irish involvement. Indeed there was many ex defence forces personnel involved in the IRA all throughout the troubles.

I await Michael Martin and the defence forces investigation findings but I also have the feeling due to his coordination of political efforts in Ireland internationally to rally support against Israel, and due to the fact that he is trying to enhance the defence forces reputation and his pointed effort to become Minister for Defence, that the investigation will not be transparent and conducted by an outside authority and as such any controversial findings will be swept under the carpet to protect Irelands reputation.

I would like to see a full investigation into these companies and a full unravelling of their activities across the globe. Including investigations into all contracters with them and travel history of those associates, financial records and any communication and phone records unravelled. Undoubtedly there will be a trail (if a transparent investigation is done) that leads to these people being in Gaza. I would like to see laws brought in immediately to prevent these defence forces personnel operating in the shady world of political subversion.

I believe there is a culture problem in the defence forces that needs immediate resolution. Would an Irish type organisation like the FBI be a good idea to police the government and the advent of these shady creations and hold them to account legally under Irish law ?

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121979134#Comment_121979134

Tinfoil

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121979134#Comment_121979134

Why the feck did you make it then ?

Ireland is not one of hamas biggest supporter , mlm is nominal figure head of a quasi political organized crime gang that has no connection to the irish army and never did. The ira has no connection the men involved in this matter and its slanderous of you to suggest so. the involvement of a few fringe ass hats 30 years or so ago does not equate with what you are suggesting

in fact how fcuking dare you !!! its a disgrace that you should do so and to do so in the presence of actual Irish army members or veterans would likely result in you getting a thump .

it has become clear that you havent a clue what you are on about

A Rainy Day in Dakar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121981333#Comment_121981333

I will handle your response with temperance considering I have no hard evidence yet to support my suggestions above. I can guarantee you this is just the tip of the iceberg and excuse me for forming an opinion based off of blatant evidence of terrorist sympathising from my interactions throughout the years.

People I know from the defence forces have Palestinian flags flying from their homes. Even in here in the Russian and Israeli threads there is massive condemnation of Israel and massive support for Palestine from people who have acute armament, explosive and aeronautical knowledge by giving minute details as such, to name just a few things. Bragging how many war zones they have visited without giving specific details of why they are there.

That’s on this website alone. I have volumes and volumes more information on which I have based this impression on and I can guarantee you what we learned about these private military companies is just the tip of the iceberg based off of all these experiences over the years in my interactions with people associated with the defence forces.

I am outraged personally that these men are misrepresenting our country and Excuse me for creating the impression in the back of some of these experiences. There are known members in my area from the defence forces who are Ra heads. People I grew up with. Your faux outrage and counter attack will get you nowhere with me.

dulpit

Support for Palestine doesn't mean support for hamas. Support for Palestine doesn't mean you're an antisemite.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983321#Comment_121983321

If you call that handling something you ve a lot to learn

you slandered a entire organization with , by your own admission no evidence apart from you own deranged opinion.

i have no doubt given you posting here , on this puppet account that the only interaction you have with real life members of the defense forces is them telling you to go away over and over again.

your volumes and volumes of information that you've gathered wit you week old account ? :-) thats only posted on this thread with no one claiming to be DF here ?

n one is trying to get anywhere with you in reality your just another bs Walter mitty poster and another one on the ignore list

anyway try and get out and get some fresh air it will do you good :-)

A Rainy Day in Dakar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121987976#Comment_121987976

I believe there is more to the Hamas attack than meets the eye. Evidence or not I can see the profiessional outside help they received and the sympathy Irish people have for them. I am entitled to join the dots and ask questions of the people tasked with our country’s security. Their irresponsible actions and sympathies endanger this very country.

The outpouring of sympathy on this very site when Israel invaded showed me where the Irish peoples loyalty lies. If anything ever come out about Irish or indeed defence forces involvement in the Hamas attack, I will be outraged and in fact how dare they, those Irish soliders misrepresent and endanger this country with their actions in Libya.

If anything ever comes out linking Irish DF personnel to that attack in Israel it will be a very dark day for our country if our military personnel involved themselves in terrorism. I entitled to suggest that this is a possibility based on the organised and professional nature of the attack. There will need to be prosecutions and and legal banning of all private military companies of ex DF personnel in this country and abroad.

mikethecop

Aw right so your theory is that the Irish Defense forces were somehow involved in the 7th October atrocity's by hamas ? 🤡

Mods can this be moved to the conspiracy area with all the other bat sh1t crazy ones plz ….

A Rainy Day in Dakar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993494#Comment_121993494

I’m saying I have my suspicions. To base everything on evidence would lead to no discovery of fact in any area of life. You can mark me off as a conspiracy theorist but I suspect there is more than we have seen on the surface of these discoveries. There is a great deal of terrorist sympathy in this country and the defence forces pride themselves on being called Oghlaigh be hEireann. Why didn’t they go about banning that name fiftly years ago rather than one month ago? That’s not conspiracy but fact.

What were you expecting a dossier of intelligence to back up my suspicions? I only have as much public information as everyone else does. However, going by this blatant rejection of our neutrality, the UN and our triple lock system by serving and ex members of the Defence Forces I suspect more awaits under the tip of this iceberg.

If there is transparency in these investigations and current DF members don’t cover up the harmful stuff that I have no doubt awaits underneath all this treason, then I think we will see involvement in some way but I suspect they have covered their tracks so that no trace will be found. My suspicions will always remain though.

rumtar

WWhat a great breakdown of the situation in Libya. Personally I find it appalling that serving and ex defence force members are selling skills to the highest bidder no qualms alongside Wagner

CCan only compare them to the 4 Irishmem so far who have hiven their livrs for Ukraines freedom anf the brave Irish doctors amd medics who travel regularly to impart thier knowledge for free