Trump and the coming Iran nightmare war

lumphammer2

At present I am VERY scared .... it looks ever more likely that bloody Trump will win in America and he is going to do a huge amount of damage first to Iran and then to the entire world ...

How will a Trumo #2 presidency play out ?? ... this is how ...

November 2024 ... he wins just about ... gloats and says all the usual immature infantile hate filled talk ...

November-December ... Trump puts together a nightmare cabinet of hardliners who would make The Handmaid's Tale country look tame ... just im.agine President Trump and VP MTG ..

January 2025 ... Trump's speech would be full of hate and threats ...

February 2025 ... Trump would up the rhetoric on Iran put more sanctions and target Iranian assets for bombing ... Trump does a probably secret deal with Putin ... Ukraine for Iran basically ....

March 2025 ... Trump would 'discover' some evidence Iran did something ... give them a 48 hour ultimatum ... and then commence bombing them ...

April 2025 ... the Iranian army sees mass casualties and desertion ... many Iranian politicians resign and flee to Russia ...

May 2025 ... Ali Khamenei and Ebrahim Raisi leave Iran for Russia and appoint a caretaker regime ...

June 2025 ... the regime collapses, the last remaining members concede defeat and are arrested ... the Republic of Iran is folded ... American troops take over Tehran and install a puppett MeK regime ....

During this period piracy and chaos in the Persian Gulf begin to affect oil supplies .... the price of oil and gas goes up ... terrorism from ISIS and AQ spiral ...

After the fall of the Iranian Republic groups linked to ISIS and AQ take control of Khuzestan and Balochistan regions ... Jundullah, etc. set up their statelets and the Taliban get involved with a war on IS-Khorasan in the NE of Iran ...

The unpopular MeK control Tehran but backed by 1000s of US troops .... an insurgency of Revolutionary Guards plus other Islamist groups target US troops and trade ... by the end of 2025 the whole world is in a recession worse than the 2008 one ...

Violence spreads to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, all over the Muslim world ... and terrorist attacks are common in Europe ... 2026 is all about the West fighting various terrorist factions within Iran and other countries ... and the war goes on and on ...

By 2028 most Americans I would hope will have learned their lesson ... never vote for Trump ... sadly they will and the above is what they are voting for ...

RoyalCelt

As trump would be on his last term he'd be truly dangerous. Iran would turn out exactly like Syria. Once the US took out Iran's main capabilities rebel group's would rise up everywhere. And with Russia occupied it would fall.

But it would turn into a war within multiple factions controlling different parts of the country.

The democrats have themselves to blame, they tried to bury him in court cases and allegations and then to try to bankrupt him. Which they may very well still achieve. They we're told not to do this and that it would provide Trump more support. And why was the covid vaccine miraculously found just days after the last election? Why was the Hunter Biden scandal suppressed on the days leading up to the election? All to the benefit of Biden no doubt. The democrats haven't been playing fair for a long time.

ceadaoin.

If any of that happens, which isn't a certainty , there's nothing you can do about it anyway so why be scared? Making yourself sick over something you have zero control over isn't healthy.

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873502#Comment_121873502

Tinfoil central

StevenToast

You'll be grand OP.....Trump won't affect your life in any way.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873574#Comment_121873574

You do realise that OP comment about war with Iran is crazy tinfoil stuff. The covid vaccine and Hunter Biden scandal are factual.

Enter name here

Wow, words can not describe the stupidity of you socialist woke lefties. The reason the world is in this situation is you.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058339881/trump-and-the-coming-iran-nightmare-war

Scared about something that will probably never happen

Didn’t we see all this nonsense last time he got in? Then he got in and it was fine…well a lot better than now because a war in Europe didn’t start with the help of US to start it

If it happens then get afraid, till then live your life and stop been afraid of dreams

_Kaiser_

That's some amount of paranoia and fear mongering!!

Look, Trump is an idiot and America is tearing itself apart politically and culturally but the above list is just pure speculation.

Biden on the other hand is likewise far too old for the job (and showing it in other ways), and he's just as divisive as Trump to their electorate.

But, assuming you're in Ireland, there's no point in taking all this stress and fear on yourself - in the same way as we need to stop importing their social and culture war ideology, and their aggressive confrontational "with us or against us" mentalities. It is destroying the social and political fabric of our country in the same way as it already has theirs.

The issue isn't so much "what if Trump wins again" as "how the hell is it that the only options are 2 old and divisive men in a country of 330 MILLION people??!"

Their electoral and political system is fundamentally broken when that's the choice that's being put in front of people, but that's a result of the 2 main parties and the permanent Government of civil servants, lobbyists, and so on.

Regardless, we in Ireland won't influence or change anything, now or in November. It's like the weekly protests over Gaza. Aside from the fact that a little reading of history would probably change that tune, the only way that'll be solved is if both sides come to the table and a settlement in reached. Just as in NI during the Troubles, both sides are guilty of atrocities and both sides have seen too many victims of the conflict, but it's not something Ireland will have any influence on. Likewise Ukraine and Russia.

We need to stop involving ourselves or obsessing over the problems of the world. By all means should we make our support or condemnation known through political and diplomatic avenues and bodies like the EU, but we have our own failings and we have our own serious problems to deal with that we're failing on - immigration, housing, health, costs of living, and the increasing polarisation and division of our society (again thanks largely because of the obsessing with America and importing their problems and attitudes).

That's where our focus needs to be.

nacho libre

Trump ignored Bolton's desire to go war with Iran during his presidency. For all Donald's faults he seems reluctant to go to war, much to the chagrin of some on the right in America. I don't think that would change if he does get back in.

Montage of Feck

Trump won't start any war, he's a self interested gobshite who'd let Putin take Europe if he could.

Silentcorner

Is there any chance we could put all these Trump threads into the Conspiracy forum, or better still, some other specific forum where those who want to indulge in their beliefs can do so away from the normal folk?

L.Ball

Trump was largely anti-war and anti-interventionist in his first term, Hillary was baying for blood in Iran and Trump's first term thankfully stopped that. If your time is spent being scared of hypothetical situations with extremely long odds you should probably talk to someone.

beggars_bush

I'm just worried about Trump getting in

What a horrible human being

archfi

Extraordinary.

Sort of like fckd up fanfic/derangedfic

SEPT 23 1989

Donald is an anti war hippy at heart

no time for death and wars

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874055#Comment_121874055

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905

The above doesn't align with his "finish the problem" remarks.

Ten of Swords

Mod - Moved to CT. These hypothetical scenario's don't belong in CA

farmerval

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058339881/trump-and-the-coming-iran-nightmare-war

The only saviour here is that it's doubtful that Trump as enough interest or ability to follow anything through that takes more than 24 hours to accomplish. Remember the BIG file of the businesses he was stepping away from as President, full of blank sheets. Probably sums up his commitment on following through on anything.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121874055#Comment_121874055

Killing the Iranian general in Iraq that time could have really escalated into something worse had Iran not shot down the airliner.

Iran has always been the great satan to some of the neocons. They also play into the left behind/rapture crowd, a couple prominent members of this group was at the opening of the embassy in Jerusalem.

On his own Trump is too vain and petty to care about certain things, but if the right people brown nose him enough or get to be allowed to be close to him I could see him being easily manipulated.

nacho libre

Bolton tried and failed to manipulate him into starting a war with Iran. Bolton fell out with him and eventually left his administration. I don't think he is that easy to manipulate on certain issues.

lumphammer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873667#Comment_121873667

Why is it 'crazy tinfoil stuff' ?? ... what did Trump do on 3rd January 2020 ?? ... what was Trump at since May 2018 ?? ... goading Iran and conducting acts of war on Iran .... Funny you should mention Covid ... only thing that stopped him ... as well the Republicans have form for this type of thing ... Iraq 2003 anybody ?? ...

Trump's obsession with Iran and Venezuela too ... there is an attempt by rightwing media to link the 2 in a plot to assassinate hardliners from the Trump era ... and Trump has form to wage 2 stupid wars on both ...

Danzy

Even bigger Nightmare scenario.

Iran is allowed continue destabilizing the middle east and further a field and it continues to build and escalate those threats.

There shouldn't even be one power plant left in Iran at this stage.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121875183#Comment_121875183

That general needed to be killed.

Given what he tried to do in Saudi Arabia and their refinery. With a bit of luck he could have driven oil up to several hundred dollars a barrel.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121875605#Comment_121875605

Poor Saudi Arabia, at least Trump will stand up to them. Didn't they even try to link Iran to 911 after this.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121875749#Comment_121875749

It would be poor us, and millions would have died from the economic fallout in poorer countries

Saudi Arabia would have survived ok.

Sonic the Shaghog

Jaysus we're back to this nonsense now? The propaganda over is getting desperate.

Weren't we meant to be living in a post nuclear apocalypse after war with North Korea or Russia under him by now?

Or what about how HE was the one who was gonna gave have the West neck deep in an Iran conflict with more nuclear exchanges?

Like grand, hate whatever side you want but lads try to be in the middle and see usually both sides will screw you.

There are people out there saying Biden sending the US military to build an aid pier in Gaza is a way to false flag Hezbollah attacking US forces directly and invaded Iran.

forrestgeorge

Trump derangement syndrome off the charts, how quick we forget Trump was the only president in living memory NOT to start a new war.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876503#Comment_121876503

He also seems to have more power than the sitting current Presidents, according to those who dislike the Orange man.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876574#Comment_121876574

He should also be the current president according to the people he gave a speech to on January 6th.

lumphammer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121875580#Comment_121875580

It is all part of the same nightmare .... let's take a look ...

First off Iran and America were not always run by hardliners .... America is run by hardliners during most Republican eras .... Iran is currently run by hardliners ... but Iran before 2021 was not run by hardliners and there was actual hope about the moderate govt formed in Iran in 2013 ... before 2013 Iran had a populist regime more than hardliner but a reaction to Republicans again and the post-9/11 ill judged 'Axis of evil' speech ... before 2005 Iran once again had moderates who had reached out to the US only to be kicked in the face ...

Every time Iran had moderates who were working away chipping away at making Iran a better place along comes America with 'Axis of evil' speeches, sanctions and withddrawal from an agreement made between the Obama admin and Iran ... to balance the power in favour of Iran's hardliners again .... I doubt if this is accidental .... it is a v deliberate strategy to set up a 'hateful' regime in Iran to justify propaganda for the current war plans ... at present Iran prob has the worst govt it ever had .... thanks to the Republicans and their sanctions/war acts/leaving the deal ...

Iran and US relations go 2 ways ... Paydari may not be the best Iranian govt and are probably its worst ever but are there because the hardliners were able to manipulate power and discredit the moderates who did the deal ... even by 2020 the moderates in Iran were saying America could not be trusted with each admin perhaps dismissing a deal by the former one ... leaving the JCPOA was one of the worst policies ever and put it out there America does not stick by its end of the bargain ...

We have the shyght we have today because it takes 2 to tango ... an alt situation could have seen a moderate president and parliament elected in Iran during the period 2020-date, the sidelining of Khamenei (who let's face it hates America only for personal reasons ... he blames US bomb for disabling his hand ... and this can be easily manipulated by opportunistic Rev Guards entities running an economy within an economy based on sanctions they don't want to end because it would spell the end of their little scheme, and you can be sure there is some channel between these types and hardliner Repulicans; wasn't US hardliner Tom Cotton in contact with Iran's hardliners to plot to wreck the JCPOA during Obama era??), the complete irrelevance of Paydari and an end to 'Hijab', animosity between US and Iran, and a prosperous future for Iran's people .... Khamenei would be rendered at best a Hirohito figure and more likely as a lame duck Shah living out his time before a better leader would replace him and his system .... sadly we will not get this now because of all the nonsensical policies ....

lumphammer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121876274#Comment_121876274

It is neither nonsense or propaganda .... Republican hardliners will not target Russia, North Korea or China for obvious reasons ... Republicans act the fool and are thickos but not suicidal ... they are bullies and pick out easy targets ... Iran is not a nuclear power and its regime could be defeat in 2-3 months ... Venezuela in less that time ...

Republican hardliners have form ... the 2003 Iraq war and 2024 Iran has leaders who mimic the rhetoric of Saddam ... you are also going to get a Republican regime full of real hardliners ... Trump is only a panderer but what he has stoked up is real hardline far right warmongering so-called MAGA idiots who think they are patriots fight for Jesus ...

Would I trust a regime made up of such notables as Marjorie Taylor 'Serena Joy' Green, Jim Jordan, Tom Cotton and so on .... no way and I know they have form ... this regime created by Trump would mean that Trump himself would be the most 'moderate' of them and prob the only non-true believer in the opportunistic can of worms/pandora's box he opened ...

Biden is not the best or either or the Democrats ... but at least there is restraint ... these Republicans believe in conspiracies and they probably think Iran rules America when the Democrats are in power and all !! ...

scottser

If Trump wins in November he'll be assasinated by Christmas.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873681#Comment_121873681

Sorry about that. We only wanted to redistribute the world's resources equitably and restore rights and dignity to to the voiceless by holding autocrats, kleptocrats and oligarchs to account. How wrong we were eh? If only we'd have just got on board scapegoating our neighbours for our imagined ills with you and your chums we'd be a lot happier burning down hotels and shilling for Trump and Putin.

Enter name here

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878484#Comment_121878484

Woke socialist lefties should be taxed on the oxygen they steal every day. Bunch of unemployed no bodies protesting a country that doesn't exist who get confused with simple tasks such as biology. Want the world to be a nicer place, give all of your elk free access to psychiatric help they all desperately need.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878645#Comment_121878645

I'm left wing, I'm in a high paying job and have never been unemployed. Know plenty of other left wing people who are too. And given that we're discussing the US and Trump, a fraudster and rapist being president again. That's a pretty awful reflection on right wing politics as it is in the US.

Enter name here

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878726#Comment_121878726

But a step in the right direction and a return to democracy. Going to be hard for Obama to pull out a 4th term with all the spotlight on the democrats now. I very much look forward to all the retribution and criminal charges to follow when Trump returns to power, if i was Biden, Pelosi or Hilary I would be getting my affairs in order before their upcoming incarceration.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878742#Comment_121878742

Trump is the criminal. Obama is not president. I know facts can be confusing.

Enter name here

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878754#Comment_121878754

Yes of course and 81 million people voted for Biden. How is the weather in the Utopian bubble you currently reside in? Scary to think you actually think Obama isn't in his 3rd term currently. Best thing about the upcoming election is to watch how many are going to be triggered when Trump resumes power.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878773#Comment_121878773

Very hard to tell the difference between trolling and someone who genuinely believes this.

But seems the conspiracy now is that Biden didn't actually win the election and is secretly being controlled by Obama. And Trump is a perfect paragon.

Again bizarre how much conspiracy theorists love a clear con artist and fascist when he panders to them.

Enter name here

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878786#Comment_121878786

Sad to see you are comparing Biden to a con artist and fascist. Unfortunately he was just Obamas puppet but you are being a bit harsh on a dementia ridden man.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878887#Comment_121878887

Nope. Deliberate misunderstanding on your part.

Trump is a con artist and a fascist who has conned conspiracy theorists like yourself into supporting him.

For example, into believing lies about the election.

I'm just pointing out how funny and telling it is how quickly you guys support a fellow like that.

Enter name here

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878903#Comment_121878903

No i actually support democracy which has disappeared since Obama used affirmative action to get himself through to a presidency. Then after his term was constitutionally ended he tried to keep running using Hilary and Biden as puppets.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878926#Comment_121878926

But you don't support democracy. You support a conartist who tried to overthrow a democracy and conned you into believing lies about the election.

You likely do this because Trump had figured out that appealing to you and folks like you is profitable.

You would have been entirely fine with Trump upturning the election if it had worked.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878645#Comment_121878645

so much ranting, so few friends.

Enter name here

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878949#Comment_121878949

No see I knew ever since Obama got in by playing the race card this would unfold, way before Trump was even on the radar. Since then democracy has been on the downward spiral it has now become. Obama and Biden have just about destroyed democracy and created the dangerous world we now live in. Where criminals now are left to run free through out society. But ultimately this is what happens when you let the lunatics run the asylum. People like yourself are so blinded by your woke socialist views that you will never change unless given the correct psychiatric help you all so desperately need.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121878992#Comment_121878992

Ok. But none of that is true or rational.

And it doesn't really change the fact that you support a fellow who tried to overthrow an election he lost. He has duped you because he's marketing to you by being racist and "anti-woke".

Your claims about supporting democracy are false virtue signaling.

techman1

Don't know why everyone is buying in to the narrative that trump is inevitably going to get elected, polls mean nothing at this stage, look at the polls for the referendums here and they were hopelessly wrong.

Trump might be getting alot of media attention and is obviously appealing to his maga base, but that is a minority, that is not mainstream America and trump is not appealing to mainstream America this time he is actually doubling down on his base rather than reaching out.

This is different to 2016 because then trump was a celebrity and there were no major wars happening, also hillary Clinton was simply not liked. Biden for all his faults is actually a likeable candidate and will appeal to republican voters that hate trump but would never vote for hillary. Trumps comments on nato alienated mainstream establishment republicans, it only appeals to extremists on the fringes.

Biden eviserated trump and the maga supporters in his state of the Union address, the faces on prominent republicans that are blocking ukraine aid was priceless. He received several standing ovations

Hannibal_Smith

@Enter name here Warning applied for breach of charter - bigotry is not acceptable in this forum. Post and those replying to it deleted.

HS

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121873952#Comment_121873952

Why? How did you live through US president Trumps first term and how you are here posting today, did he do something horrible to you or your family? Let me show you something else.

Consider the war crazed neocons, the people whose ideology bought about the follow up invasion of Iraq or does anyone remember the project for a new American century (PNAC). How about Hillary Clinton and responsibility to protect (R2P) implementation in Libya? The world dodged a bullet with her defeat. Here is another war mongering Neocon, Liz Cheney, remember who her Daddy was?

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1765409100270309463

Cheney’s main focus is defeating Russia at any cost. The website contains countless articles on why it is essential to fund Ukraine at American tax payer expense, while the United States sinks deeper into debt. The actual issues that Americans are facing in their daily lives are NOT LISTED on her website nor will they be considered. This group is specifically for the warmongers who want to see the military industrial complex succeed.

Speaking to a few Americans, they are not generally happy with the choices on offer. The American presidential race is looking like a 3 way contest between Trump, Biden and Kennedy (RFK), there are others in the contest, the floating vote may go to RFK on account of Bidens support for Israel and other domestic issues.