What would Irish infrastructure look like now if Germany won the war and wanted Ireland to prosper

keeponhurling

Godwinned in the thread title, even before Post #1

Impressive !

Ray Palmer

Ireland has gone from a 97% agricultural based economy to 3% in that space of time. That is an amazing turn around and no matter what people think it was well done and organised. Our population is also still not recovered from the famine yet

keeponhurling

In modern Germany, the transport systems are now aged and unreliable. Even the cities look aged.

And remember, facilities and infrastructure need people to use them, which rely on population. You can't be comparing Ballinrobe with Frankfurt, like. Compare with a small German town.

ixoy

Contrary to popular belief, Germany isn't highly efficient. Their new airport, for example, was delivered 9 years late and €4 billion over budget - their equivalent of the "only in Ireland" Children's hospital fiasco.

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what we were thought was fact, the intention was genocide by the british.

the famine was a genocide, deliberately so.

what was imported and exported was irrelevant as the irish were prohibited from accessing it.

Bob Marley Park

Well the Nazis built some great infrastructure......

We'd have been dirt on the soles of their shoes. I picture 1984, with our children ratting us out for laughing too much.

buried

"What would Irish infrastructure look like now if Germany won the war and wanted Ireland to prosper"

You are currently living it OP. A vassal state ran by foreign entities who allow thicks to run the island into the ground as long as the supremacist foreign superior state isn't threatened.

So, it would be the exact same $hitshow we have now.

dxhound2005

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The Americans.

Francis McM

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The famine was certainly was not deliberate genocide. It was caused by huge population growth in the few generations before that, reliance on one crop, the potato blight etc. Do not forget that even in 1847, statistics show the British imported more food in to Ireland than exported food. In 1847, at the height of the Famine, Ireland exported 39,000 tonnes of wheat, and 98,000 tonnes of oats , and imported 199,000 tonnes of wheat, 12,000 tonnes of oats and 682,000 tonnes of maize. The food imported did not evaporate.

If it was genocide people would not have been allowed to emigrate in numbers to Glasgow, Liverpool etc.

Now get back to the thread topic and less diverting please.

Have you even been to Europe to see the concentration camps there, remnants of Nazi infrastructure? Read books on the holocaust and the war? I have.

Tornaxx

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Have you even been to Europe to see the concentration camps there, remnants of Nazi infrastructure? Read books on the holocaust and the war? I have.

Have you ever been to the sites of the British concentration camps in South Africa from the Boer war? Another attempt at genocide.

Francis McM

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Rubbish. I have studied the subject and talked to numerous south Africans about that. The concentration camps you refer to were for Boers there around 1900. They didn’t have the same aims as Adolf Hitler’s extermination camps during the Second World War. If they did, why would the Afrikaner-led government of Louis Botha in South Africa unhesitatingly have joined the side of the British in World War I and fought alongside its armies? South Africa was part of significant military operations against Germany and the Axis powers in both WW1 and WW2.

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it was a deliberate genocide.

one of the aspects of genocide is forced displacement which the emigration due to the famine was.

now suck it up that your belovid british empire was a racist sectarian entity.

Bob Marley Park

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You can't Godwin a discussion on Nazi Germany.

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they did have the exact same aims.

the african parts of the british empire had no say in whether they faught for the british or not.

Bob Marley Park

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121864386#Comment_121864386

At best it was British indifference to Irish famine.

Why the reliance on one crop? Was it St. Brendan on his way back over, brought the potatoes?

Who was in charge of the country?

The British invented concentration camps.

Francis McM

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You have not a clue what you are talking about. You mention about the camps in South Africa but you fail to understand it was white people in them, who the British were fighting between 1899 and 1902. If mortality in those camps was higher than mortality outside the camps, those same people would not have volunteered without complaint to serve alongside the British only a dozen years or so later in WW1, in a war far away.

Quote: " With a population of roughly 6 million, between 1914 and 1918 over 250,000 South Africans of all races voluntarily served their country. Thousands more served in the British Army directly, with over 3,000 joining the British Royal Flying Corps and over 100 volunteering for the Royal Navy.[72] It is likely that near 50% of white men of military age served during the war. More than 146,000 whites, 83,000 black Africans and 2,500 Coloureds and Asians served in either German South-West Africa, East Africa, the Middle East, or on the Western Front in Europe. "

Not do not insult the victims of the Nazi extermination and concentration camps further, some of whom were rescued / liberated by the British army, which comprised of people from Ireland as well from Britain, and as well as many other countries around the world. Get back to the thread and no more deflecting please.

jmayo

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Ehh they built Atlantic wall in France.

U-boat pens in Lorient that are still there today.

Bunkers in Poland, roads through Poland.

They didn't just Slavs, they wanted to use them as slave labour.

English looked down their noses at us and English were seen by Hitler as being of old Anglo Saxon stock and more like Nordic Aryan.

We would be yet more Untermenschen to be worked to death.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853820#Comment_121853820

Forget neutral Ireland.

Once Britain fell, Northern Ireland and then us would be taken in days.

Ports would be built, u-boat pens would be built to defend and control the Atlantic.

We would become some Lebensraum to the West.

We would be on the front line with US and Canada.

We would have our own Atlantic Wall rather than Atlantic Way.

whisky_galore

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It does not meet the strict definition of a genocide, most professional historians agree on this.

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they weren't given a choice.

they were fighting with the british whether they wanted to or not.

they were kept in concentration camps because they were saw as being lesser.

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i'm satisfied that it does.

enough of the aspects are there.

Francis McM

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You really have not a clue, only what you may have read in an phoblocht or such like.

It was the Afrikaner-led government of Louis Botha in South Africa who unhesitatingly joined the side of the British in World War I. South Africa joined the British in WW2 too, as did many other countries around the world. The Boers in south Africa (who the British imprisoned ) do not share your opinion of the British.

Of course, you probably do not know who the Boers were. They were mostly white Protestants. And you think the treatment by the British of them was comparable to Nazism, even though these white Protestants volunteered and fought alongside Britain in huge numbers only 12 / 14 years later in WW1.

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south africa was not given any choice in the matter in wwi at least.

dxhound2005

Yeah, but what would the Germans have ever done for us?

Francis McM

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Rubbish. South Africa had its own government. Off their own accord, and without hesitation, they joined the British in both WW1 and WW2.

Randycove

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the Spanish were using concentration camps in South America before the British were.

Hey2.Hey2

To lighten the mood a little - the Swastika Laundry would probably still be doing a roaring trade...

whisky_galore

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No, not at all.

It was more like wanton, criminal neglect and dressing it up as God's will, it was nothing at all like the Nazi regime or the Armenian Genocide or what happened in the Balkans.

The latter were all calculated, a war was prosecuted, a very definite intention from top down to identify and round up ethnic groups and liquidate them. Poor and all British rule was, they didn't prosecute a race based extermination policy to wipe Irish people from the face of the earth.

Sidelined, yes. Discriminated against, most definitely. But killing them all? Not at all true.

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they won't have had any choice in the matter being a colony of the british empire.

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you don't need to kill a whole peoples to be guilty of genocide.

the famine was a genocide via the fact it was designed to starve the people and force those who could to leave.

so i'm still happy it was a genocide and will leave it there.

Francis McM

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The government there had a choice. The Afrikaner-led government of Louis Botha in South Africa unhesitatingly voted to join the British in WW1. The Afrikaners and Boers would not have joined if mortality in those same Boer camps that you complain of 12 years previously was a lot higher than mortality outside the camps. Those same people would also not have volunteered without complaint to serve alongside the British later in WW2, in a war far away. The Boers in south Africa (who the British imprisoned ) do not share your opinion of the British. Of course, you probably do not know who the Boers were - they were white Protestants. And you thought it was blacks that the nasty British put in concentration camps there. 

Now back to the topic: What would Irish infrastructure look like now if Germany won the war. Would some Irish ( jews, disabled, the gypsies/ travellers, homosexuals etc ) have been exterminated same as in the other neutral countries Germany invaded, and some of the rest of the population used as slave labour?

At least the South African government, same as the British government, fought against that.