Japanese society's attitude to women and immigration.

political analyst

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/01/asia/japan-demographic-crisis-population-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

As is stated in that article, Japan is still a patriarchal society in which married women are still expected to shoulder the majority of the obligation to care for the elderly, despite government efforts to get the women's more husbands more involved, and is still conservative towards immigration, despite the demographic crisis, which is the main point of the article.

Why did the occupation of Japan by American and British Commonwealth forces in the immediate aftermath of World War 2 not make a difference to the prevalence of those attitudes in Japanese society?

Boggles

Were women not expected to shoulder the majority of the care in 1940s America and Britain?

Pretty sure they were.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058338535/japanese-societys-attitude-to-women-and-immigration

They only occupied it for 7 years. You can set up institutions in that time frame but you're not going to remove complex ingrained social structures in such a short time span.

BagofWeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837498#Comment_121837498

The occupation may have ended after 7 years but Japan is still under the thumb since the war. It has never even completed a formal peace treaty with the USSR/Russian Federation due to the interference from the US and Russia actually was willing to return two of the Kuril Islands to Japan twenty years ago. Her constitution was drawn up by the US thus prostitution for example was made illegal.

joseywhales

Why is it described as grim? A giant old folks home is a bit boring but I wouldn't call it grim. Their economy will suffer sure. I think it's an interesting view of our future, as the most developed nation reaches end stage development before us. Might actually help us to plan for it.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837592#Comment_121837592

Given that women were traditionally forced into prostitution, eg as "comfort women" in Japan, is that a bad thing?

TomTomTim

Why did the occupation of Japan by American and British Commonwealth forces in the immediate aftermath of World War 2 not make a difference to the prevalence of those attitudes in Japanese society?

Because they don't have to, and maybe, just maybe, they know better? This is the hight of Western arrogance; "why haven't they followed our great ways?"

The world doesn't look up to the West anymore, if they ever did, yet many of us are still shocked when we see that in clear terms.

whisky_galore

No matter how many years a non Japanese has lived in Japan, has citizenship, learned and can speak perfect Japanese, married a Japanese person; they will always be marked down as an outsider.

silverharp

Japan will be an interesting story about how to adapt to a smaller population, they will have no problem adapting to robots and AI to manage manual type work or automating higher education jobs. It seems like a country that will be much nicer to live in and better for the environment if the population was halved.

A bit like west Kerry so.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837772#Comment_121837772

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837592#Comment_121837592

That wasn't some charitable offer by Russia. Accepting their offer of just 6% of the disputed territory would have meant giving up Japan's claim over the rest of it. That's why they didn't accept it.

I'd be curious to see a source for your claim that they were strong armed by the Americans though.

Witcher

Jesus you make some amount of inane threads OP.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837737#Comment_121837737

The West is the worse apart from the rest of them.

silverharp

start of a crime epidemic?

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1763025952299462984

Brussels Sprout

we, on the other hand, are closing oap homes to accommodate mass migration.

Our oap homes are literally being propped up by migrant workers (along with our hospitals)

DavyD_83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058338535/japanese-societys-attitude-to-women-and-immigration

Yes, it is truly baffling why forced occupation and oppression by foreign white invaders has not endeared them to the Japanese.

By all rights, it should have made the Brits (and by proxy us) appear incredibly sexy and wise to the natives.

For Forks Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837772#Comment_121837772

Much like Cavan in that regard

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837772#Comment_121837772

and rightly so . they're not japanese

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121838975#Comment_121838975

The first 70 years of our independence were an economic basket case. Young people left in their droves, to go and do menial jobs in other countries - never to return in many cases.

The state leant heavily on religious orders to prop up its state institutions. That was of aid to the state but often it had devastating long term consequences for everyone involved.

Yeah let's all go back to those halcyon days shall we - just because you can't stand to see a few brown faces in this country.

(btw I wonder how many re-regs you're on now, Mr brand new account)

Potatoeman

How is their situation any different from Korea or China, both also have declining birthrate too?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837772#Comment_121837772

Sure that happens in de wesht or any part of rural Ireland when a Dubliner or whoever moves over.

beachhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058338535/japanese-societys-attitude-to-women-and-immigration

Apply the same to south Korea as the closest example in Asia

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837772#Comment_121837772

Kind of like rural Ireland in that respect.

beachhead

Yes,the gaijin

Notmything

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121838343#Comment_121838343

While almost never engaging in their own threads.

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121837859#Comment_121837859

A bit like west Kerry so.

I was just going to post here to say just like many parts of this country then.

As others have said, being under Western controll for 7 years is never going to change a culture that is a 1000 or more years old.

I've not been to Japan yet but it is next on my bucket list. From my reading it is quite a strange place, but extremely interesting too. One of the lowest crime rates in the world, and a healthcare system that is second to none.