Organ donor opt out

pgj2015

I am an organ donor, have been for years but there is something about this that im not comfortable with, im actually thinking of opting out because I think there is something very off about this.

what do you guys think? any conspiracies relating to this?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41337034.html

Seth Brundle

Why? Does the fact that there are hundreds of people awaiting organs not make you think this is a good idea or do you think that Leo is just wanting to harvest our organs for a big "eat the rich" type banquet?

For the record, I've carried an organ donor card for a number of decades and also gave blood and then platelets (until a health issue unfortunately put an end to that).

Dohnjoe

What would be the conspiracy?

It's a process to increase organ donation.

Tork

What do you think is off about this? It's already a thing in the UK https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/uk-laws/ and internationally https://www.ibanet.org/article/b6f71d2a-5213-4a23-ba59-66725a132d87

Seth Brundle

In addition, it isn't a mandatory scheme - it's just opt out rather than the previous opt-in

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820654#Comment_121820654

Yeah, couldn't the NWO just "accidentally" opt everyone in to get at the sweet sweet adrenochrome?

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058337993/organ-donor-opt-out

What on earth is wrong with you? Why even potentially risk the life of a recipient, with nonsense like this?

Posts like this are dangerous and can grow like the antivax morons ideas and their absolute fake science basis.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058337993/organ-donor-opt-out

Are you going to opt out of any future receipt of an organ you may require?

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820688#Comment_121820688

Because im not naive, and I don't care if the UK and other countries have an opt out system, that doesn't mean it is right.

In general I wouldnt trust most Governments, I know the person is dead but these are your organs we are talking about, its very arrogant of the Government to do this in my opinion. and what will the next step be? that they will take your organs from you when dead even if you dont want that?

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820748#Comment_121820748

You mean the government that is already entrusted with providing the entire country with healthcare, are you on a private only healthcare system that sources orans privately?

What's to stop them taking organs without the proposed approach.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820762#Comment_121820762

Well I don't want to make it easy for them.

this will backfire on the Government in my opinion.

stargazer 68

What difference does it make op. You will be dead, you won't know about it!

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820777#Comment_121820777

Make it easy for what? It will back fire on people who need organs, and hopefully they bring in legislation that states anyone who isn't willing to donate can't receive any organs.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820788#Comment_121820788

well it clearly does to a lot of people because I know lots of people who don't want their organs donated after their death.

nachouser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820803#Comment_121820803

Then tell them, not us.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820793#Comment_121820793

where in North Korea or Russia?

stargazer 68

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820803#Comment_121820803

But you do want yours donated as you said earlier. Just changing your mind now not to make it easy for the government. You made your donation decision for a reason and I would assume that was to help others.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820815#Comment_121820815

tell them what? and why?

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820803#Comment_121820803

So you have discussed this topic with loads of people and of those that you spoke to, "a lot" of them are against the idea? Did they say why they were against the idea that they might help someone after they are dead?

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820833#Comment_121820833

For whatever reason they dont want to donate their organs and even when dead I think that should be respected.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820818#Comment_121820818

Yes because I feel there is something not right about the whole thing, I could be wrong but im trusting my gut.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820818#Comment_121820818

Ah be reasonable, these forms can be difficult if you need to check a box.

nachouser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820851#Comment_121820851

You're wrong. My left arm is like a pin cushion from giving blood donations. I got a call a few years back to see if I could give blood to help a new born that was AB+. If I get hit by a bus tomorrow, I'll be happy out if my scraps make a difference to someone else. If you want to do something useful, go give blood.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820908#Comment_121820908

You don't know that though in reality.

Yes I have been meaning to go donate blood.

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820748#Comment_121820748

What a petty little attitude.

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820851#Comment_121820851

You are wrong, and dangerous

There's no **** way that you're an organ donor.

In the past I did a lot of campaigning re organ donation, and a friend got 25+ extra years, doubled his lifespan having had a lung transplant, having had his own lungs destroyed by CF. I had Ulcerative Colitis, so couldn’t be an organ donor, and later was diagnosed with MS, so instead I am giving my brain to neuro research.

Maybe they will transplant my shrivelled brain into some poor sod who will have to experience life as I do 😁🤣

Giving blood is a great thing to do, I used to do that before I got sick, hope I didn’t pass on any horrible disease 😢 to a recipient. Later during and after colectomy surgery I needed at least 8 units. Blood is always needed.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820970#Comment_121820970

want a bet? have been for a long time.

nachouser

https://www.giveblood.ie/can-i-give-blood/

Giving blood or platelets is one of the most generous things one can do to help others with a bit of mild inconvenience to oneself.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820748#Comment_121820748

Well they're just gonna be rotting at the point you die so personally speaking, I'm not gonna be that upset.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820845#Comment_121820845

If they're that passionately opposed they can simply opt out. If they're so ill informed to not be aware of the system in place, that's their fault and nobody else's. And the reality is, most won't want to opt out.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821044#Comment_121821044

we will see.

most people arent organ donors so maybe they have thought about it and decided against it or maybe they dont care, we will see.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821051#Comment_121821051

More than likely indifferent, opt out systems just tend to work more effectively. As pointed out, multiple countries already have it in place and it's entirely uncontroversial.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121820748#Comment_121820748

I know, organs! Who knows when I might need them after I'm dead!!!!

My favourite part of this conspiracy is "they will let you die so they can donate your organ(s) to save other people".

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821157#Comment_121821157

what about when you are still alive?

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821160#Comment_121821160

other rich or connected people maybe?

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821165#Comment_121821165

And there it is.

Man Vs ManUre

If you want to refuse Hannibal Lector that he cannot eat your liver with flava beans and a nice Chianti, you better sign the form.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821473#Comment_121821473

No, its because I think the whole situation is strange, and don't like the way the Government are signing away your organs with no discussion on the matter.

banie01

I'd love to know what the conspiracy behind this might be that would sate the OPs thirst for controversy?

Even with the procession of kranks that have graced the CT forum over the years, this is the 1st time I can recall anyone rocking up and basically going re: subject, gimme a CT?🤷‍♂️

I've a bit of personal experience on the donor side of the equation. The 1st time it took me years to come to terms with my loss let alone the donation. The 2nd time, it was a salve to my family to know our loss wasn't completely in vain and the support services were far better too. The change in 16yrs was very much for the better.

Even with an opt-out system the capacity isn't available on the Island for more than 250/300 organ harvests per year. We can transplant far more organs than we can reasonably harvest.

The ODTI do great work, but their capacity is limited. The difference in pastoral care brought about since the ODTI commenced operating is to be commended.

The "conspiracy" here? I suppose moving the organ donor system to being opt-out might seem to infringe upon ones right to bodily autonomy? That said, the choice of not opting out, can be inferred as a positive consent.

But in practice? It's still very much within the choice of the family to proceed with donation or not. There is no mad rush by the hospital to harvest and no action taken without consulting next if kin.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821576#Comment_121821576

so if you didnt opt out, they still ask your family can they take your organs?

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821588#Comment_121821588

In my very recent experience,yes. The family's choice still matters and is respected. A rough month over the summer spent in and around a busy ICU unit and talking to other families in similar life/death situations to my own family. Made that very clear to me, as well as our own discussions with the hospital staff and ODTI when my brother's time came.

MrMusician18

I don't know how this legislation works but I'd still like the final say to rest with my next of kin.

I wonder how easy they will make it to opt out. I somehow doubt there will be a website where you enter your details, more like a form you have t send away.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821602#Comment_121821602

Yes but this opt out situation hasn't come in yet.

con___manx1

When you get your driving licence renewed they ask you opt in or out. I was getting my licence renewed recently. The girl in front of me at the licence renewal office opted out for some strange reason. No use when your dead. If she had a loved one on the list she might of thought different I suppose.

I opted in. I have a good friend on the list waiting for a donor.

I'm glad the government changed it to opt out to be honest.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821751#Comment_121821751

You have to respect her decision, we don't live in a dictatorship. how do you know it was a STRANGE reason? did you ask her?

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821732#Comment_121821732

And when it does, the same basic state of play as is currently in place will continue. ODTI don't have the capacity to match and harvest more than 250/300 donors a year.

They will continue to operate very much on a family led basis. The main outcome of implied consent for donations won't be a huge growth in organ harvesting. It will be easier conversations around donating if/when the time comes.

For many years the IKA motto was carry a card, let people know you want to be a donor. All the real outcome of implied consent will be? Is reversing the flow of that conversation. Tell people you don't want to donate, and sign the opt out register.

If you sign the register, you won't be considered for donation as you made a positive step to remove your consent. If you didn't? Your family will still really be the ones that decide, no hospital, HSE nor ODTI want the hassle of contentious donation.

Have you decided what the conspiracy is yet?

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821781#Comment_121821781

Yes, your organs will be used to save more "important" people, while you possibly could have been saved.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821801#Comment_121821801

So your hypothesis is that medical professionals will conspire across multiple shifts, personnel and interactions over the course of an ICU stay to ensure that a patient is left brain-dead to allow a donation be made to important people?

Have you ever been involved in ICU end of life situations? The pronouncement of brain death in particular?

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121821807#Comment_121821807

I suppose nothing like that has ever happened, as in no one ever bends the rules or breaks any laws etc