Casement Park watch.

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853520#Comment_121853520

I think you're right , but that won't be highlighted during the wrangling over funding.

A major, top level stadium will always be in the hunt for various events.

The worst that could happen now is a Monaghan-Cavan final 😁😁

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853599#Comment_121853599

Monaghan v Cavan would fill Clones so no bother filling Casement. Belfast boys might have more luck getting money outta the Cavan las too. 😁

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853538#Comment_121853538

None of the sports would have stadiums if it was down to the city.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853617#Comment_121853617

You're arguing that the revenue generated by this stadium through non GAA events will be great for the city. Why would the GAA want to partially provide or run a stadium where 90% of the revenue in order to keep it viable must come from external events. No stadium in the world apart from PUC runs such a business model yet now multiple counties are trying to do just that. Kerry want to chance their arm, another fools errand. They played Tyrone in Killarney at the weekend, the place was empty. Division 1 football, major history, empty. Mayo Roscommon in Castlebar, again mostly empty. Huge rivals, division 1, no crowd to justify the capacity of the stadium. Mayo up to their neck in debt, Kerry trying to follow them. 10K stadia and the place would be hopping. 30k and its like a morgue. TV engagement suffers as a result too.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853665#Comment_121853665

You'd have to talk to the GAA about that. But I would think the city location would make it an entirely different proposition.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853677#Comment_121853677

It hasn't in Cork, they're struggling to pay a debt on a stadium where it was totally out of kilter with what was required. And in a county where GAA is number 1.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853538#Comment_121853538

The stadium isn't for Antrim though its for Ulster Gaa.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853698#Comment_121853698

You'd have to look at the figures.

All I am saying is there is likely to be a specific plan. Whether they are right or wrong is another discussion

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853725#Comment_121853725

Ulster GAA already has a stadium which is far better located than this one and even if it did go ahead would only see 2 to 3 championship games a year. Its a total nonsense

roadmaster

Just to clear up the Stadium useage the below is taken from GAA submission on events after the Euros that waa submitted to Belfast City Council. I cant upload the actual document at the moment.

Frequency of Use

3.2. Table 3.1 sets out a high-level summary of the anticipated frequency of the various events

proposed for the Casement Park Stadium. 

Table 3.1 Frequency of Use Summary

Use Frequency of Event Anticipated 

Months

Anticipated 

Days

Anticipated 

Hours

Sporting Events

County Training 12-24 sessions 

annually

All year round Week nights Starting at 8pm

Finish at 10pm

Schools Matches 8-12 matches annually 

with an attendance 

range of 200-2500;

School Terms

September to 

June

Week nights Starting at 8pm

Finish at 10pm

Club Matches 25 matches annually 

with attendances 

ranging from 50-3500

February to 

November

Week nights Starting at 8pm

Finish at 10pm

County Matches 15-20 matches 

annually with 

attendances ranging 

from 500-5000

January to 

September

Week nights 

(likely to mainly 

be on a 

Wednesday)

Starting at 8pm

Finish at 10pm

All Ireland Qualifiers 2-5 matches annually 

with attendance range 

3,000-15,000

June and July Saturday 

Sunday

Starting at 7pm

Starting at 2pm*

Ulster Championship 

Semi-finals; 

2 matches annually 

with attendances 

typically around 

20,000

June Saturday 

Sunday

Starting at 7pm

Starting at 2pm*

Ulster Championship 

Final

1 match annually with 

attendance normally 

32,000-34,186.

July Sunday Starting at 2pm*

Major Non- Sporting Events

Concerts Up to a maximum 3 

outdoor music events 

per year up to 34,186 

in attendance 

June/ July/ 

August

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

Doors open at 

4pm,

Warm up act 

begins at 7pm,

Main act 8pm,

Finish 11pm.

 *Depending on TV Scheduling this may be moved one hour either side

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853877#Comment_121853877

So 1 GAA game per year that may or may not sell out and 2 others that will 60% fill it. Makes perfect sense to build a stadium that size when you look at it that way....

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854518#Comment_121854518

When you look at it like that, it would make more sense to build housing, hospitals or such infrastructure...and renovate Casement in a smaller way than spending 300 million and rising.

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853677#Comment_121853677

Am I misunderstanding you here Francis? Are you suggesting Casement's location is a benefit?

The location of Casement Park is one of the biggest weaknesses of the project IMO. It's an awful location. It's accessible only via the Andersonstown Road, there are no other approach roads into it. It's cut off from the city by the M1 / Westlink. Every single person has to approach the ground via that same route and it is totally inaccessible to pedestrians from the city centre.

I would honestly say it's even worse than Pairc Ui Chaoimh. At least you can walk to PUC from Cork city centre, you've no chance of walking to Casement from Belfast CC.

I think if Casement Park was a brand new stadium, and there was never a stadium there previously, there would be a 0% chance that anyone would choose this location.

ebbsy

The capacity is too small to have something like Germany vs France in Euro 2028 ?

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859200#Comment_121859200

I made the comment on the assumption that this is the only location for a stadium of this size on the table. Long Kesh was the prime location.

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859220#Comment_121859220

Long Kesh was an even worse location.

The symbolism of that project was lovely but the practicalities were garbage and it was all pure pie in the sky fluff.

Maybe Ulster GAA should team up with Glentoran and they can both live at the Oval? 😁

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859229#Comment_121859229

People will have issue with probably all locations0

Casement is ATM the only game in town and any comment takes that into account.

dxhound2005

29 March 2024.

The Irish News is reporting that tenders are being sought. And work would have to commence by the end of 2024 to have Casement ready for the Euros.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/tenders-for-the-redevelopment-of-casement-park-to-go-out-within-days-KIABTKTO3FFULAXXMEH3RBJC7Y/

Rain Spreading From The West

Chris Heaton-Harris saying costs are "significantly higher" than a year ago.

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2024-04-24/casement-costs-significantly-higher-than-a-year-ago

celt262

Can't see it been built they will drag feet until it is to late to get it built for the Euro's.