Union Jack in Ireland? **Mod Note In Post #59**
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You do realise history is more complex than your narrow sole viewpoint. Also you seem a small bit ignorant on history even if your premise of Poland hating the "German flag" was true.
The fact is various versions of Germany has gone through numerous changes over the years -
Holy Roman Empire
Weimar Republic flag
The Nazi Flag
East German Flag (DDR)
West German flag
If anything based on your hypothesis using the phrase German flag you should instead be referring to "East Germany".
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However, your premise that Poland "hates" the "German flag" as is collapses when you look at Poland in an EU context the three dominate states in the EU were at one time France, Germany and the UK. They all voted to allow Poland to become part of the EU. If people had your attitude there would have been no EEC, no EU, no economic market etc. People would be that entreched and bigoted that they would refuse to work together in the goal of the European Economic project.
Poland is also in the EU with Lithuania with whom it has to work closely.
Poland have had a certain turbulent history with each other over the years. Stretching way back. Most recently at the time of WWI
The conflict between Poland and Lithuania has gone way back even in the 1400's
Should the Lithuanians feel the same way about the Polish flag? You see where I am going with my counter argument. Your narrow line of thought and irrational fear, is much less likely to lead to cooperation between nation states to form the EU. It would only lead to dissent, conflict and ultimately war. Which the EU was created to prevent.
Also it is not lost on me that Sinn Fein went from a staunchly anti-EU stance based on sovereignty ironically it was in line with the likes of Nigel Farage. Who sneered at the EU in Brussels as MEP.
However, Sinn Fein changed on the EU in the 1990's but has now positioned itself as an active more positive participant in Europe. Most notably launching the career of Mary Lou McDonald as MEP when Sinn Fein realised it's potential for soft power, profile and votes.
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How would the EU look if it banned national flags in chambers if there was any previous conflict between them? It would completely go against the ethos of the project of shared culture and economic freedom. Should all flags from National embassy's be banned for fear of offending another nation?
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As for the Ad hominem argument that many use comparing the Union Jack to the Nazi flag (which conveniently ignores the much more complex intertwined relationship British and Irish culture have jurisprudence, music etc ). it might surprise many that the Swastika symbol is thousands of years old. It is a symbol of peace
It is still used in the Hindu religion -
The Buddists still use the Swaitka as a sign of peace as well in their temples
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I won't mention Sean Russell again though.
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If people are negatively hung up on symbols it only leads to more negativity, more division and more conflict in the long run. It is just based on psychological insecurity where rather than person having confidence in themselves and their "own" symbols. There is the counter reaction when faced with a symbol they view as "other'.
Thankfully, the world is not full of bigots otherwise the world would cease to function.
If the world had the attitude of the small-minded bigots on this thread -
There would be no trade between differing communities or nations.
There would no be shared cultures music, arts etc.
There would be no travel to other nations for work or even holiday. Foreigners would be banned.
Ultimately there would be no peace with that attitude.
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Here is a picture of the Irish embassy 17 Grosvenor Place London (on google maps) you will see the Irish Tricolour flying beside the EU flag.
What would posters say about British people in London who say the tricolour should be taken down as is offensive etc.
If there was a debate on a British "boards.ie" equivalent about removing the tricolour from the Irish Embassy in London what would people think of such a mindset?
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I am excluding NI deliberately because both sides up there have warped mentalities, symbols are the real ""pastime"/sport" up there.
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The reality is people in London would not give a damn about the tricolour flying in at the Irish embassy in London. It is normal. London is multicultural city. It even hold's an annual St Patricks day Parade, tricolours flying no bother. Here is one from 2016.
Yet people on this thread are worried about a Union Jack flying in Ireland. Are you not embarrassed?
In a strange way a predictable cohort on this have some sort of perverse pride is "hating" or worrying about the Union Jack. An odd mentality.
Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.
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I won't get into the the RIC debate that is off topic to this particular thread. But you would be unwilling to analysis the more uncomfortable truths such as how Éamonn Ceannt's father (for example) was a member of the RIC it goes back to the 1800's.
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From what I do know of you seem to be a very insecure woman in your identity and has an interest in the Irish language. Personally I think all education should be done through Irish - as symbolism is no use - that is a game a play with Irish in NI in particular on both sides. But again this is off topic.
What it is relevant to is "symbolism" it seems to strongly tie into your identity as a person - if the symbol of a British flag up on a British embassy in Ireland causes such strong resentment in you, it really makes me question how secure you are in your own identity, however.
You seem to make it into such a major symbolic issue. When the average person on the street in Ireland would not be a bit perturbed by it. It is the British embassy after all.
You seem ultra defensive in your replies. Before it was "Butcher's Apron", now it is "you know nothing about me" and are randomly ranting about political parties in the ROI you don't like.
Notably, you seem to obfuscate when asked direct questions. that would make me question if your viewpoint is healthy over all. Your form of nationalism is more a hyper patriotic one. If the world had the same attitude as (what psychologists/sociologists call strong "in group/out group" bias) it would be a very divisive place
If everyone had your attitude so strongly the world would be a very divided and bitter place. If Ireland sees a British Flag on their own embassy as some form of threat there is something wrong with you in my opinion. Deep seated issues. Because then your form of self identity seems to be more the exclusion of others rather than inclusivity. A negative form of self identity. Rather than a positive one.
You seem to have no confidence in yourself as an individual and seem to depend on "your group" for your identity
You are definitely strong on the "them v us" as per the social identity theory.
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I would again posit a question to you turning it 180 degrees, should the English in London feel offended by the tricolour hanging on the Irish embassy in London?
What would you make of the @deirdremf British equivalent who takes grave offence to the tricolour flying on the Irish embassy in London ?
Would you consider it productive? Rational? What would it say about the person?
Prejudiced perhaps?
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You would be much better off thinking of yourself in a broader context in my opinion.
Diogenes Laertius, 6.63, on Diogenes the Cynic (4th Century BCE)
“When asked where he was from, he said “I am a world-citizen.”
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