The US and the UK strike Houti targets in Yemen overnight. Good or bad?

AMKC

I think it should be good for Biden anyway as it makes him look strong. It's exactly what he needs at the moment to get his ratings up in the poles. People who say he was a weak president can not day that anymore.

It might also have the same effect in the For Sunak unfortuntely ugh I can't stand the man.

yeah nothing says “I’m a manly man” like blowing up a small town or village in the Middle East.

Carlito Brigantes Tale

Since Biden has become president the world has become a much more dangerous place. He's a weak leader.

Thelonious Monk

It's not great for stability in the region, no, although maybe justified as they're attacking innocents passing through the red sea? the whole situation is a clusterf*ck caused by the absolute mess that is israel/palestine.

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121606572#Comment_121606572

Since Biden Trump has become president the world has become a much more dangerous place. He's a weak leader.

FTFY

https://archive.ph/0kYz7

Carlito Brigantes Tale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121606607#Comment_121606607

Trump's not president anymore. I've no idea to the point you are making

igCorcaigh

I can't see it having the desired effect of discouraging the Houthis from attacking marine traffic, quite the opposite I would say, and only serves to add uncertainty and tension to the powder keg. Pointless and dangerous move I think.

Boggles

Nothing to do with being a manly man or involving themselves in a war.

Pure commerce, the cost of shipping has sky rocketed.

Price increases which we are not immune from.

Randycove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607063#Comment_121607063

the pointless and dangerous part is where the Houthis were firing missiles at commercial shipping.

It isn't a good thing this has had to happen, because it didn't need to, but sitting back and watching the Houthis trying to sink any passing ship they fancied isn't really an option.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607063#Comment_121607063

Remove the threats it's how the world Operates, imagine trying to sink ships in protest at the war against hamas ,

Pull the other one

ejmaztec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121606995#Comment_121606995

Trump was looking for a war with Iran before his presidency came to an end. He was probably holding back a bit because he didn't want to damage his bromance with Putin.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607063#Comment_121607063

Removing the capability may have some influence regardless of discouragement, however.

Obviously they're not going to be able to stop all UAV launches, but things like anti-ship cruise missiles and ballistic missiles which are also being lobbed, and which are far more dangerous to shipping than a small drone, are easier to detect and destroy.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607159#Comment_121607159

they've sat back and watched palestine being levelled and 1000s of children being killed, but as soon as something might affect commerce they're suddenly concerned

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607497#Comment_121607497

All because of a massive terrorist attack on October 7th

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607527#Comment_121607527

yeah it's all the palestinian's fault of course

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607630#Comment_121607630

Palestinian Terrorists armed and supported by Iran who also happens to arm and support the houtis launching missiles and drones at civilian shipping,

Terrorists being terrorists

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607630#Comment_121607630

Which specific Palestinian?

ejmaztec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607497#Comment_121607497

The Houthis announced that they were going to attack vessels with an Israeli connection, but they attacked any vessels that happened to be in the Red Sea. They deserve the backlash for that.

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121606572#Comment_121606572

But didn't Trump relocate the US embassy to Jerusalem and slaughter an Iranian general to amuse his New Years guests?

I would rate someone with principles as stronger than someone infatuated by money and pleasing the most easily led supporters since Heavens Gate gave free trips to the afterlife.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608003#Comment_121608003

He ordered the drone strike on a Iranian general who are responsible for attacks on US forces, particularly the first drone strike using an RX9 Hellfire ninja missle was used to killed a HVT

Randycove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607497#Comment_121607497

So they should sit and watch terrorists attack commercial shipping?

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607630#Comment_121607630

It kind of is

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607497#Comment_121607497

Of course the other thing is that those in the UK which I Brexited from, begrudge eight pounds a week plus a room for refugees and asylum seekers and are very vociferous about it too, even to the point of violence.

Yet those same "financially astute" citizens never seem to be concerned at the use of a bomb costing 100,000 to take out a perfectly innocent Middle Eastern family.

Lo and behold, they have their army trot in like any American poodle does and then can't seem to figure out why Iranians, Iraqis and Syrians form a large number of the displaced floating in across the channel.

Carlito Brigantes Tale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608056#Comment_121608056

Hamas doesn't represent Palestinian people anymore than the IRA represented Irish people.

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608047#Comment_121608047

But it wasn't the Americans this time.

It was the Houti's. The Americans haven't terrorised shipping for a while, I guess they were too busy locking the MAGA crowd up to carry on terrorising Iran's customers.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608092#Comment_121608092

The only people who care less about Palestinians than Israel are Hammas. Unfortunately Palestinians seemed doomed to horrible leadership and end up being stuck between two horrible forces.

igCorcaigh

I still think it was a stupid move by US/UK.

The risk/benefit ratio is way off, and they have expanded the conflict in the region. Wiser options must have been available to deal with the threat to shipping... just seems like a silly symbolic act to me (who is no expert at these things at all).

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608092#Comment_121608092

They don't represent all Palestinian people, but they do represent the people of Gaza as their elected government. Not exactly the same as the IRA is it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121606995#Comment_121606995

Correlation does not always = causation.

Biden may be president at the moment however the world was absolutely not a bastion of peace before he took office and it’s all gone downhill from there.

As an aside, this is typical in politics I find where you have a President that F’s up and makes a giant mess, preceded by another President who inevitably ends up spending their time cleaning up after the last guy while simultaneously being blamed for not adhering to all their own campaign promises (cos they’re fixing prev issues), not fixing everyone’s issues fast enough & then are chalked up as useless on either a comparable scale to the prior prez or worse than.

I feel like to blame Biden for the world’s problems at the min is to do that. Trump was in office and caused an awful lot of the shite we see today. He made it seem acceptable to be ignorant, to shout down people who disagree with you, he emboldened Russia, the taliban seized control again and so on.

Jesus I mean Trump made America look like such a joke North Korea is without a fcuk to give chattering away about military action against the south.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608349#Comment_121608349

They haven't expanded the conflict,Iran expanded the Conflict when they gave the go-ahead for Hamas to invade Israel on October 7th raping and butchering as they went along, only Iran's plan's didn't go to plan Hamas has been anilated and thousands are now heading to Israeli prisons , Hizbollah has completely chickened out of the fight altogether knowing exactly whats going to happen if Israel comes knocking on Lebanons doors ,that leaves the other useful idiots in Yemen who are now finding out what happens when you start threatening the US military and there Allies interests.

Death from above.

fire_man

They had very little options .Need to send the Houti's a message but will take more strikes.

igCorcaigh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609223#Comment_121609223

They had lots of options. It's easy for the big men with big guns to do this.

Terrible decision, which draws the Western powers into a regional problem which could radicalise the populations of that region, and bring about a greater problem.

Bad move IMHO.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609341#Comment_121609341

The region is already radicalised,

Israel is the only sane country in the region

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609341#Comment_121609341

Can you actually list these 'lots' of options? And I assume these are viable options and not just wishful thinking, like closing their eyes and wishing the problem away.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609448#Comment_121609448

Sending the Houthis a strongly-worded letter of condemnation?

If the Houthis had only targeted Israeli shipping, that would have been a slightly trickier proposition, but firing at ships of different nationalities isn't on.

But for Hamas and the Houthis, it's all about creating chaos in order to widen conflict in the region and they don't care if their own people lose their lives in the retaliation as the survivors will become the next generation of recruits.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609509#Comment_121609509

I would go further, make sure the letter is all in CAPS! But I;m dying to hear the posters options!

As soon as a ship not related to Israel was attacked, they lost their entire argument.

The US know first hand what an attack on one of their ships is like. I'm sure the memory of the USS Cole is not lost.

Gatling

More US strikes being reported tonight/morning

scottser

More deaths is bad for everyone.

lumphammer2

Bad ... and it is all an old game ... a game that kills too many innocent people ... and mainly by fake countries ... all this war and all sides are no better than each other ... when will we ever learn ...

Israel ... a creation of the aftermath of the British occupation of Palestine ruled mostly by Europeans ... not the Israel of King David et al ...

Iran ... a fake Arabised voodoo country created in 1979 ... after the overthrow of a fake Westernised country .... the real Iran did not exist since the Persian empire days ... now it is Chechnya writ larger ... greater Russia ... before that it was another American stooge ...

The Arab States ... just corrupt monarchies supporting the US cause and giving them oil ... Arabia as an entity is just as dead as Iran ...

The US ... a continuity state founded on British colonialism that took the lands of native Americans ... maybe once the most powerful state on earth ruled by the natives if you believe in Atlantis ...

Yemen, Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan = the chess board ....

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609594#Comment_121609594

So is trying to sink ships

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609600#Comment_121609600

Sure how's things in Russia these days a little cold I hear

sydthebeat

Money. Money both started and will end this conflict.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609509#Comment_121609509

Sending the Houthis a strongly-worded letter of condemnation?

They actually did do that. 😂

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/01/03/a-joint-statement-from-the-governments-of-the-united-states-australia-bahrain-belgium-canada-denmark-germany-italy-japan-netherlands-new-zealand-and-the-united-kingdom/

It was a final warning before escalation, and then the Houthis launched their most intense attack.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609700#Comment_121609700

" There is no lawful justification for intentionally targeting civilian shipping and naval vessels "

But it is perfectly fine for a state who is before a judge for the crime of genocide to blow up thousand of innocent women and children ?

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607759#Comment_121607759

So using that logic, the brits would have been justified to kill tens of thousands Irish civilians just because of the " Irish terrorists" threat

I mean terrorists being terrorists.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058330946/the-us-and-the-uk-strike-houti-targets-in-yemen-overnight-good-or-bad

Biden hasn't looked strong at all and this won't change that. He is a weak president

He would look stronger if he didn't, it was great with Trump who didn't feel the need to target random countries all the time.

What exactly have the UK and US achieved so far when going after these countries? they have just made a mess

L.Ball

When the economy and gdp is on the line, there can be no holding back whatever the cost, be it a few dozen of a few hundred thousand lives, the price of goods flowing from low cost production sites into the EU and US must not be disrupted.

Lirange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609774#Comment_121609774

Random countries? Nothing “random” about it. They didn’t draw a ball from the Lotto Plus machine with Yemen written on it.

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609771#Comment_121609771

The government of the 26 counties has always been on good diplomatic terms with the UK and was as much an enemy to the IRA as them, even fought a civil war against them. Hamas ruled Gaza, on the other hand is violently hostile to the very existence of Israel.

TinyMuffin

Good. The shite I ordered from china is a week late.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609754#Comment_121609754

Yeah but 30% of the worlds consumer goods don't go through Gaza.

People need their washing machines and smart phones.