The Ryan Tubridy Show **Mod: Read OP**

Tork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751701#Comment_122751701

Would the listenership have shrunk even further if it wasn't for inertia?

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751789#Comment_122751789

These are some frightening figures for any broadcaster. Tubridy lost 40% of Gerry Ryan's audience when he took over the show.

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/tubridy-loses-87000-listeners-28838

Perhaps there was some inertia. RTE couldn't have hoped to hold all of Gerry Ryan's audience. Replacing him with Tubridy didn't work out well.

The market has changed since then and it is now in a stage similar to the advent of Pirate Radio and cheap hand-held transistor radios in the late 1970s/early 1980s with the availability of cheap mobile Internet and services like Spotify. Listeners are no longer restricted to broadcast radio (the single station RTE of the 1970s trying to cover all markets and demographics and failing) and smartphones have replaced the once ubiquitous hand-held radios. Broadcast is becoming increasingly reliant on the captive inertia of passive listeners.

Regards…jmcc

Paterson Jerins

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750205#Comment_122750205

Might have been funnier in your head dr philes. Chuckle

You shouldn’t be letting the opinions of a complete stranger on the internet bother you so much. It’s not a good use of your time or emotional energy

Paterson Jerins

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750165#Comment_122750165

Ahhh he's a wum. So many coming in lately, ever since the mod position was applied for.

Bizarre stuff. Delighted so many posters on the forum have called out the bs.

And it seems like we're all allowed to tell posters to fudge off if we wanna. Beautifully intriguing deliciously bonkers

Peter Dragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752069#Comment_122752069

Your 90 minute limit….is that per hour?

yagan

That's very good for once a fortnight.

retalivity

Looks like something a sad, bitter, middle aged neckbeard would need to ensure they dont constantly ragepost on a dying, irrelevant site...

The_Macho_Man

Two and a half hours of boards.ie per day on the weekends is way too much.

Paterson Jerins

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752543#Comment_122752543

"Hey everyone, look at me. I never spoof on boards. Are you looking yet? Please give me attention. Btw I'm on €150k and my life is better than yours. All of you are angry lonely ugly men. Can I be a mod now please"

pc7

mod note - I gave a mod note a few pages back, from here out it will be a break from the forum. Read the charter, the breaks will be final and I won't be explaining why, you are all here long enough and know better

TheBMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752780#Comment_122752780

hey! I feel like I’m being doxxed 😭

nonetheless

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751875#Comment_122751875

The market has market has changed since then and it is now in a stage similar to the advent of Pirate Radio 

You have hit the nail right on the head. Irish independent radio is in a similar situation as it was back in the late 1970's / early 1980's and something similar happened again particularly in the Dublin market during the mid 1980's. Fortunately back then there were always innovative true radio people on hand who possessed the ability to provide an alternative to what was being offered and knew that there was a potential for a healthy return on investment. 

To reference the Dublin market alone, in 1980 two English people (Robbie Robinson and Chris Carey) who possessed between both of them a plethora of presentation and technical radio broadcasting experience set up Dublin's first superpirate - Sunshine Radio with Chris exiting that project during the early stages to set up Radio Nova. Although Sunshine Radio would focus on a more community orientated sound, Carey's Radio Nova was the first Dublin based local radio station to introduce what is known as a true CHR (Contemporary Hit Radio) format on the style of LA's KIIS FM for that time. The original Radio Nova's sound was legendary but as both radio stations proved to be extremely successful, they experienced the wrath of RTE who simply could not compete with Radio Nova's early format and superior sound processing - RTE took it upon themselves to jam both Sunshine and Nova's studio to transmitter links in an effort to make their services unsustainable.

RTE's Radio 2 attempted to catch up and in fairness it managed to come close to doing just that in the Dublin market by the mid 1980's. By 1986 the Dublin franchise had 4 major radio stations basically neck in neck with eachother: Sunshine 101, Q102, Nova/Zoom/Energy 103 (later) and nationally RTE Radio 2.  Similarly (but not as bad as today) those pop contemporary radio stations were offering the listener the same type of programming and sound with nothing really standing out or making them a unique listen. Radio in Dublin had reached a static point something like as to what we are experiencing today. 

An extremely successful Irish-American radio consultant by the name of Bill Cunningham who had turned various American radio stations from rags to riches scenarios was visiting his grandmothers home in Cork, took note of the situation in the Dublin market and seen it as an opportunity, had the experience and the know how to give one of those radio stations the ability to set itself above the others. For 1 year he offered his services to Robbie Robinson at Sunshine 101, who fortunately had the faith and foresight to give him full programming control. What followed was Sunshine 101 hitting even greater levels of success and popularity that only Radio Nova had enjoyed during its earlier existence. Within just 3 months Sunshine 101 had a double digit (35% market share iirc), something that folks who call themselves radio consultants in Irish radio today could only dream of achieving as they pat themselves on the back with figures of just over 8%. Hence his company was called 'Resultants Inc'. The radio station that was known as Sunshine Radio was transformed into something that was so influential to young people in that it made those people want to get into radio or become a music jock as a profession. To offer one example, the presenter who is now known as Rick O'Shea entered a DJ job/prizes competition which was Cunningham's brain child known as Supermouth in the US and The Big Kahuna on Sunshine 101. This is way long before competitions such as American Idol or AGT and shows how even local radio could be utilised as an exciting and innovative medium irrespective of time. Cunningham was even prizing listeners away from their beloved RTE Radio 1 on Sunday mornings to listen to dedicated 1950's/60's and early 70's era type music radio shows such as Bee Bop Gold or The Bop Shop as those shows aggressively and successfully targeted that RTE Radio 1 listener demographic. At this point the powers that be knew that they needed to introduce legislation quickly as possible especially as RTE's Radio 2 was being destroyed and the only way RTE could compete was to put a 3 hour morning talk show on what was supposed to be their music station targeted at young people. And of course the legislation passed was the beginning of the end.

Yes, we are back to that static period of Irish radio and it has been static for the most part of 35 years but unfortunately there are no more Chris Careys, Robbie Robinsons and Bill Cunninghams to grab it by the scruff of the neck and turn things around. I will correct myself on that - folks with that type of attitude and ethic like I mentioned may still exist but they are definitely not involved with Irish radio and also unfortunately with the type of culture that exists within the industry in Ireland today, they would not be allowed to.

What makes things worse is the emergence of poor talent over the past 25 years evident on various local and nationwide radio stations with Ryan Tubridy being a classic example of, and has been found out for it.

RoTelly

@Bobson Dugnutt

EDIT Actually, I see it’s being presented by Eamonn Homes and both Michael Flatley and the Wolfe Tones are due to be there. Will give it a miss.

Why will you give it a miss?

Eamon Holmes the west brit? - as he's on GB NEWS

Micheal Flatley the plastic paddy?

The Wolfe Tones too nationalistic ?

Surely all three cancel each other out!

If you support the person receiving the award then you should go.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122754009#Comment_122754009

You do see the irony in your post right.

And look I mean nothing by this on any personal level, I hope you understand that and that I don't do that.

So this thread has referenced Partridge on several occasion re: Tubridy, to me its a lazy association but see it, as I can see with Eamon, though I am sure he's receive an award of a similar kind,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44329197

TheBMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122753298#Comment_122753298

why thank you Bobson; I was of course endulging in some false humility. Like yourself I’m a seasoned man of the world, friend and doyen of the chattering classes and owner of a not so modest wine collection which would fetch a few bob if ever sold on the open market.

Look forward to finding out about Ryan’s ratings tomorrow; I’m more of a BBC Radio 3 man myself (as the good people of Cloney Audio in Blackrock will testify) but I wish him well.

Peter Dragon

I was driving home this evening when I heard that a high-profile Dubliner who it was reported just days ago was considering running for public office had his home raided by armed Gardai and CAB in a money laundering investigation today. With the General Election imminent and the announcement that this person was set to run for public office just days old, a cynic might find the timing of this raid more than mere coincidence.

Meanwhile two other high-profile Dubliners guilty of shall we say some “creative accounting”, financial shenanigans, accompanied by tall tales, a large dollop of omissions and forgetfulness, and some outright lying to an Oireachtas Committee are variously in the case of one of them still supplying the vast majority of profile talent to the state broadcaster (despite assurances from the DG that he wouldn’t deal with agents); whilst the other - the main protagonist in and the face of the scandal of last year - had none other than the Taoiseach appear on his commercial podcast a couple of weeks ago.

To quote Orwell, it really is a case that “all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”.

nonetheless

With the release of the RAJAR figures for Q3 2024, VRUK pay special attention to what they refer to as "Headline Numbers" for which they publish to staff. It usually highlights data for QonQ and YonY reach and hours. QonQ reach is down approx 4.5% or from 1.628 million to 1.551 million and QonQ hours are down from 8,762 to 8,589. NewsUK will release a breakdown of those reach and hours figures per individual weekday presenter to VRUK staff. It remains to be seen how Ryan Tubridy has performed…

jmcc

Latest RAJAR figures.

https://www.rajar.co.uk/listening/quarterly_listening.php

For those who don't want to read the data, Virgin Radio is -4.73% while other Virgin Radio themed stations have shown gains.

Virgin Radio 80s Plus is up 27.54% quarter on quarter. Virgin Radio Anthems is up 37.69%. Virgin Radio Chilled is up 47.79%.

https://radiotoday.co.uk/2024/10/observations-and-information-for-the-latest-rajar-q3-2024-radio-listening-figures/

Regards…jmcc

TheBMG

from Adam Bowie.com

Virgin Radio

 saw its reach fall 4.7% on the quarter, but rise 3.5% on the year to 1.6m. Hours fell 2.0% on the quarter and were down 12.3% on the year to 8.6m. Across the whole 

Virgin Radio Network

 reach was up 7.3% on the quarter and up 18.9% on the year to 2.4m. Hours were up 2.2% on the quarter but down 8.6% on the year to 11.3m.

Irish figures must be out shortly too (they’re normally released around the same time as RAJARs).

BTW - an aside for a different thread but analogue (AM/FM) listening at 25.7% while DAB at 44%!

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756442#Comment_122756442

Some of those gains are massive percentages.

I supposed if they were low to start with, doesn't take many more listeners to make these increases happen.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756697#Comment_122756697

The Devil is in the details. The average hours per listener is down (Year on Year). That could indicate that there is a drop-off on some programmes.

The free version of the RAJARs is quite limited in that it doesn't give a breakdown by programme or timeslot.The subscriber version gives a breakdown by day part and that's probably where any loss or gain for Tubridy might appear. I think that Eddy Temple-Morris, the previous presenter, was moved to Virgin Anthems and that seems to be doing well. News UK management might be pleased with the themed stations gaining.

Regards…jmcc

jmcc

It is a shame that Forbes and RTE were allowed to kill off DAB as it might have given independent radio a boost in Ireland. Then again, with the way that the market is becoming increasingly personalised due to the use of smartphones, online broadcasting including podcasts may be the next battlefield for RTE and its Dail supporters.

Regards…jmcc

podgeandrodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756545#Comment_122756545

Wouldn't be too proud of the year in year increase of 3.5% for VR when the last Quarter is down 4.7%. Not a good direction of travel.

The Virgin Network putting this spin out, emphasizing the other Virgin stations. Whatever way you cut it, VR is not the source of any good news. Hard to see how Tubs could be an asset unless he's holding the figures up while Evans loses.

“Congratulations to the the Virgin Radio UK network team who have had a great quarter, achieving a record-breaking reach, now boasting 2.4 million listeners. It’s clear the investment we put into getting out and about over summer on the ground at festivals, resonates with our listeners.”

Now, last Quarter, an article stated "Irish import Ryan Tubridy is up to 503k, a q-on-q rise from 457k and y-on-y from 488k." Not sure how he had a year on year as he hadn't been there that long, but that is the figure to compare against this Quarter when we get to find out.

Here is part of News UK's spin, interesting nod to Vogue ( they say 2.4m but my maths says 2.7m, I must be wrong):

"Covering another busy summer of festivals at Latitude, Hardwick and CarFest, as well as Vogue Williams joining the station stepping in as deputy on the Ryan Tubridy Show, the Virgin Radio UK network which includes Virgin Radio UK, Virgin Radio Anthems UK, Virgin Radio Chilled UK and Virgin Radio 80s Plus UK, reached a record 2.4m listeners, an increase of 19% year-on-year, with listening hours across the network of 11.3m. Virgin Radio Anthems led the charge with record reach at 453k and record hours at 1.4m.

Peter Dragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757119#Comment_122757119

I personally haven’t looked at the figures, as the first few days of such releases in Ireland and the UK are always a spin-fest. as another poster mentioned, the devil is in the detail, and that detail will take some time to emerge.

On a more personal level, I genuinely hope Ryan has a very long career away from ireland; indeed the longer the better.

To paraphrase Stewart Lee when commenting on James Corden’s move to the USA “Ireland’s loss is England’s loss.”

GSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757119#Comment_122757119

it’s going to be Ryanair not the ferry

TheBMG

Virgin myst be happy enough with him if he’s getting a big mention in their press release (minus his actual results 🤔).

podgeandrodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122759580#Comment_122759580

Possibly. Hopefully the figures will clarify.

Or they've decided 1 year is too short to judge.

Mentioning Vogue Williams as a deputy presenter in their Rajar press release could suggest they're happy with spikes when she presented and are paving the way in that regard.

But the Tubs show hardly avoided any of the drop in figures. Surely?

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122759671#Comment_122759671

She is a much better option for Virgin Radio and has much more in common with the target audience than Tubridy. More people in the UK have heard of Vogue Williams than Tubridy. She did get a job with BBC while Tubridy didn't.

Regards…jmcc

The J Stands for Jay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757119#Comment_122757119

Suitcase, flight, Q102

Peter Dragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122759580#Comment_122759580

They actually put a list of former guests into a press release, I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.

“Virgin Radio UK is home to the very best guests and live music….”

There’s padding and then there’s that.