DAB banned in Ireland

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893581#Comment_121893581

maybe so, but if that is indeed what he thinks he would be wrong.

but to be fair, he's not involved in irish radio now and hasn't been for a few years.

beachhead

He sold out the business not long ago.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893650#Comment_121893650

What a bizarre post.

Again. There is nobody who has both the means and the desire to do this. No-one.

beachhead

No demand anymore for DAB stations based in the Republic.But Lidl and Aldi do like to push their DAB radios here.

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893581#Comment_121893581

In what sense? He got in after the closure of the pirates in the 80s but he wouldn’t be able to now.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121881949#Comment_121881949

New and better? DAB is neither.

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121894655#Comment_121894655

Again, attitudes and opinions differ. We don't have to agree on this.

Personally I prefer a choice of 50 or 60 stations to a meager choice and an analogue dial.

vswr

DAB (especially DAB+) in a comparable costs scenario, trumps FM every day.

Audio is better, far more selection and info, with far more options for the provider and user. From an infrastructure perspective, TX's are cheaper to run, even with some infill build to provide coverage, it's usually cheaper in the long run.

Trouble is, it's a supplemental service in most countries (so seen as "additional" costs to a provider)...

That's when you get people squeezing the margins.... lowering bit rates, squeezing in more MUX's, not doing infill infrastructure to provide good coverage (which leads to audio issues, or loss)...

Providers do this today already on analogue FM, they will TX in mono, bandlimit what's broadcast to save on power (akin to lowering the bit rate in DAB) ... it's just that people are used to it, or "coverage isn't great in this area" while listening to a pop song with a 5kHz filter on the audio.

DAB has died in Ireland, it will be interesting thought to see what happens when HDFM takes hold whenever they come up with a 100khz version.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121894987#Comment_121894987

And again we're left with the unanswered questions of where the content is going to come from and how it's going to be funded.

What's the benefit to the listener of having 30 Bauer stations pumping out the same crap with slightly different links, pretending they're a local station?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893713#Comment_121893713

not a bizarre post at all, just stating the reality.

again, there is just no evidence for your claims.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121894655#Comment_121894655

dab+ is certainly newer then FM, original MP2 DAB not so.

better, well that is subjective, all though the greater opening for operators and the final discrediting of the high expensivity high regulation model would certainly make it a bit better.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121895945#Comment_121895945

HDFM won't be allowed here either.

i believe only america has adopted it.

it's not that DAB+ has died in ireland, it's that there is no ability to use it on a full time basis as one will not be given any licenses to use it no matter what.

or if it is, only existing operators will be able to use it.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121896279#Comment_121896279

you were given the answers already, you just didn't like them, so nothing anyone can do when you have been given what you requested and it wasn't to your satisfaction.

the bauer stations pumping out the same stuff with different links is already on the way, and because there is no option for small operators to broadcast terrestrially like there would be with DAB+ (something it seems going on your posts you support) then bauer is all you are getting for absolute definite because they aren't going to stop with what stations they currently have.

and make no mistake, they are going to cut to the absolute bone, flog what they can out of the fm transmitters, and then jump ship.

same with wireless i expect unless bauer or other buys them out.

Tax The Farmers

Anyone know when the Lagan SSDAB service is supposed to come on air ?

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121898025#Comment_121898025

“The reality” is that there’s a boards.ie poster who has the means to set up and run a national DAB service but cannot do so purely because of the BAI?

I guess you’re right, I cannot conclusively disprove this, but it’s still absolute bollocks.

TheBMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121900874#Comment_121900874

I know the poster concerned and they would absolutely have the technical ability.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121900894#Comment_121900894

And the tens of millions of euro needed?

Tax The Farmers

Downtown Country and (in places which don't already get it) Radio Foyle spring to mind

It also brings all the Belfast commercial stations to parts of NI which previously couldn't hear them as well.

And (in spite of some folks aversion to the idea) around 60 or 70 stations from the UK mainland too.

RTE are missing a trick by not being on there given that a large area from Larne up to Ballycastle can't here them since 252 closed down. But then it would be a bit odd broadcasting on a platform they refuse to use in their own country.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121900874#Comment_121900874

it's non-bolox i'm afraid, as if it was bolox you would be able to prove it so.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121901301#Comment_121901301

Yeah, you’re right.

I rode Beyoncé last night btw, and since you can’t disprove it, it must be true, no matter how outlandish and stupid it might sound.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121901533#Comment_121901533

this is not the gotcha you seem to think it is unfortunately for you.

you will need to do way way better with me, i'm afraid.

TheBMG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121900911#Comment_121900911

I did say technical ability.

Financially?

I’d be amazed but should point out that

a. If you’re spending ‘tens of millions’ then you’re doing it wrong

and

b. The poster you’re referring to has 45 years of broadcast engineering background, including building transmission infrastructure all over Europe so I suspect he may have a better grasp of the costs than me or you.

I also think the DAB ship has long sailed out of Ireland.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121901772#Comment_121901772

For DAB to succeed - and properly succeed- in Ireland we need three things

1. a national transmission network
2. public awareness of its existence and benefits over FM
3. decent content that isn’t already available

Not one of those is already in place and not one of them will come cheap. You’re not talking millions, you’re talking tens of millions.

This is a multi year, phenomenally expensive project with a very low probability of turning a profit. Some lad who knows how to set up a transmitter is absolutely no value here unless he’s got huge backing behind him.

But that’s what is being claimed here, that this guy can indeed finance the whole thing. It’s insanity and fantasy rather than any grasp on reality.