DVB-I and RTÉ

Hotblack Desiato

Won't be too long now until fibre gigabit internet is practically universal in Ireland.

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123220683#Comment_123220683

And I assume they'll be using multicast for these services, so the same stream for all ends users.

We just select the live stream unlike Netflix, Disney etc. where we have our own dedicated stream.

Johnboy1951

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123221561#Comment_123221561

Are the Irish ISPs capable of handling multicast streams?
I know little of the subject except it was not usual for ISPs to be able to handle multicast - at least some time ago.

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123224058#Comment_123224058

I guess we'll find out in the years ahead.

watty

Multicast isn't supported by most ISPs.

We should have had a decent Fibre plan twenty years ago. Instead Three was subsidised. It will be decades before fibre reaches terrestrial TV penetration.

Most home routers don't do multicast.

WiFi uses a separate connection for each user, so even if it did multicast, 5 users splits the speed per user to 1/5th. Maybe there is a WiFi spec that includes broadcast mode, which is the sane way to do "multicast" on any RF system. DVB-T could be used.

Fibre is even more a fixed delivery than satellite. DVB-T can be portable, works with a sub €20 USB stick on my phone and tablet. DVB-H isn't needed now as phones or tablets can easily do full DVB-T now. Some still do FM radio. I did see a phone handset once with DVB-H, maybe in 2007, at a trade show..

butwhynot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123064758#Comment_123064758

Now updated with pre-recorded streams for the remaining channels

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123371924#Comment_123371924

Thanks for keeping the thread updated.

No info yet on that DVB-I pilot.

The Cush

https://dvb.org/news/ebu-dvb-i-workshop-to-cover-pilot-projects-and-practical-implementation-advice/

Jim Higgins (Saorview/RTÉ) will be in attendance next week, he will introduce the DVB-I proof of concept in Ireland, sharing some early lessons on technical integration.

The Cush

DVB launches new task force to support DVB-I implementers - DVB

The DVB Project has announced a new initiative dedicated to supporting companies and organizations deploying DVB-I services and technologies. The DVB-I Implementers Task Force will foster collaboration, share expertise, and promote a harmonized approach to DVB-I implementation across different markets.

The Cush

DVB show guide for IBC2025 - DVB

Saorview at IBC2025

Demonstration of Saorview DVB-I pilot platform from Ireland. Saorview is the national DTT platform in Ireland, owned and managed by the public broadcaster RTÉ.#

Stand: 1.C37g (Yotta Media)

Partnering with 3Cat

Demonstrations of:

DVB-I content interaction with AI voice: using a smartphone as a companion device, users can issue natural language voice commands to easily search, navigate, and control broadcast and broadband content on a smart TV

Enhanced DVB-I accessibility thanks to HbbTV sign language with WebAssembly: full workflow – from live sign language capture and distribution to seamless presentation on Smart TVs – delivering sign language interpretation as a customizable secondary live video stream, integrated smoothly into DVB-I channels

Partners: bmt, RTÉ/Saorview, ARD/WDR, ZDF

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123220683#Comment_123220683

NBI have already been allowed provide 500mbit max connections to some areas…

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123064758#Comment_123064758

The DVB-I Demonstrator no longer includes the Saorview channels

doney84

Were the live versions of the channels ever on the demonstrator? I've just checked it via the link you provided on my phone and if I press HLS icon beside the DVB dash icon it plays a 9 minute or so video on each Saorview channel.

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123770727#Comment_123770727

Yes they were, RTÉ 1 & 2, RTÉJr iirc live channels on the guide, saw them not so long ago

JDxtra

Two years of proof of concepts and demos. Classic RTE/Saorview. No rush lads, take your time.

In the meantime, the Saorview brand and service is becoming more dead and irrelevant with each day that passes. Nobody buying a home today is going to install a terrestrial antenna. The market is now streaming services, apps and dodgy boxes. Any future potential IPTV service from Saorview will be entering an already crowded market.

If they do get around to launch something, they may need to consider a new brand with some additional services to make it seem fresh. Saorview sounds like landlines and fax machines. Things of the past.

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123774277#Comment_123774277

In fairness this is a new standard, not finalised yet.

Only the Italians have implemented it with TVs available from Vestel. Germany isn't far behind by the looks of it.

We appear to be in the second tier behind them with the Iranians, Spanish.

China appears to be interested too.

thesandeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123774277#Comment_123774277

I moved less than a year ago and got a terrestrial antenna.

decor58

My son is just finished building his house, with aerial and dish, internet isn't good enough in the area for streaming. His inlaws use a dodgy stick close by and its all very hit and miss, great if you have super WiFi signal but if you don't, the race is over and you are still buffering at the start line. Yes Saorview needs to move on, but Saorview is 4ish broadcasters, one seems to be doing the heavy lifting at the moment, the others will probably make a case for a discounted rate.

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123410187#Comment_123410187

DVB-I @ EBU HORIZONS 2025

Presentation Video: Jim Higgins (Saorview/RTE)

HORIZONS2025_Jim_Higgins_Saorview_and_DVB-I.pdf

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123770683#Comment_123770683

Saorview channels back on the DVB-I Demonstrator, RTÉ One is the only live channel, the rest are 10 min loops, RTÉ Player and TG4 Player allocated LCNs 9 and 10 respectively but not live.

The Cush

RTÉ One stream carrying an ATI Data descriptor, reason?

The other channels carrying this descriptor is linked to HbbTV signalling, engineering test channels LCN 50/51 & Radio channels 200-210 which display current programme information on-screen.

TV channels and Radio bitrates DAB+ DTT FIBER Satellite Cable OTT

I wonder if it has anything to to with that very small Pilot Phase 1 mentioned by Jim Higgins at that presentation back in May?

Coincidentally RTÉ 1 is the only live channel on the DVB-I Player

Jim Higgins on Pilot Phase 1 … "a small technical trial, a pilot that effectively involves expert users, critical users who would give us feedback really on what this ought to be as a product."

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123770657#Comment_123770657

Unlike the two previous IBCs there are no DVB-I demo videos, no real info from that part of the conference.

Some DVB meet-up presentation slides here - DVB meetup schedule for IBC2025 - DVB

The Chinese appear to be developing DVB-I big time and had various DVB-I products on display, including a DVB-I dongle. See their presentation slide at the previous link.

I assume this was the dongle from STRONG, a name I previously associated with a Japanese manufacturer of satellite reception equipment from maybe 30-40 years ago.

There are very few manufacturers of DVB-I reception equipment, possibly due to the fact the standard is still being developed. Mentioned at the EBU Horizons workshop in May only one TV manufacturer incorporates DVB-I, Vestel.

The Italian and German DVB-I trials use Vestel chassis TVs, Telefunken etc.

RTÉ used a JVC model for their IBC2024 demo. (Jim Higgins was previously employed by JVC for 26+ years in several roles including Area Sales Manager and Service & Technical Manager)

byte

I thought RTÉ used Walker TV for their demo, but as they're all Vestel, maybe I didn't pay enough attention or I misremember! 😁

I've known of Jim since JVC days alright, back when hi-fi, camcorders, etc were still a thing! I haven't spoken to him in a fair while now.

Thanks for the info.

The Cush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123872071#Comment_123872071

If you look back at one of the videos you'll see a JVC TV being used.