Interclub 2024

paulos53

A few changes for next year. Here are some of the main changes.

• Purcell and Bruen return to the handicap ranges used in 2022.
• A few competitions, including the Purcell and Bruen, reduced from 5 pairings to 4. Allows even split of pairings when match is played over both clubs.
• Any events with even numbered teams sizes (e.g. Purcell & Bruen) will have halved matches if all square after 18 holes. If a tie-break is needed then it will be played by pre-selected players.
• New Mixed Fourball competition.
• Some competitions go from All-Ireland to regional only. This includes the previously discontinued Men's Fourball for 15+ handicaps.
• Senior Men's Interclub (Fred Perry) changed from over-55s to over-50s. Will also be run as a regional competition only. (The day of becoming a senior golfer is suddenly very close 🙄)

NedBagg

Its hard to understand what they are trying to do here reducing 5 teams to 4?? I don't understand it... if I have 2 teams away and 2 teams at home and it is a draw where is the playoff game played?? Makes no sense to me also means fewer players involved... strange??

big_drive

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446251#Comment_121446251

Exactly the things I thought. It means less lads get to play and it's already disappointing for many players that don't make the team. This will reduce participation further.

And on the play off thats the obvious question, how do you decide which course it happens on?

opinionated3

Reducing the amount of pairings is an awful idea. Can definitely see a lot of players losing interest in these comps with a reduced chance of playing.

The Guru 123

I presume there’d still be a team with the “home draw” and the play off hold if required would be played there. Similiar to how Barton Shield is done where there’s a pair at each course.

I do think it’s a silly idea, team with 3 at home is a serious advantage but that’s just all part of it.

big_drive

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446739#Comment_121446739

100% , if anything why not try increase participation and increase the number of pairings to 6 or 7

Rikand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447146#Comment_121447146

Probably because people find it hard enough to get time off work as it is and then you're just left with some 10 lads who are retired or single and can do whatever they want.

I can definitely see why they have done it because there are probably lots of smaller clubs who struggle to field teams because of these reasons and where they got lots of late withdrawals. Having said that, I'm not a fan of the change myself

opinionated3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447574#Comment_121447574

With all due respect SP is regarded as "small club" and it never affected them (or their ability to win, unfortunately).

Were clubs consulted on this?

big_drive

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058325300/interclub-2024

What were the handicap ranges in 2022, what's different there? I can't remember

Russman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121447574#Comment_121447574

I think you're absolutely spot on with this, even if I don't agree with the change. I think 5 pairings made it exciting in that one team knew that had to get an away win to go through. I suppose they still do in fairness, but the 3:2 split was a great part of it IMHO, luck of the draw and all that.

Can definitely see how small clubs might struggle to field teams though. In my own place its the same names cropping up on team after team, year in year out and its not like its a closed shop, life just gets in the way and unfortunately for a lot of guys now, inter-club doesn't really come on their radar. Didn't the Metro go from 9 to 7 players a few years ago too ?

paulos53

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121448132#Comment_121448132

Golf Ireland sent out surveys to all clubs and this is the result of the feedback.

opinionated3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121449560#Comment_121449560

Fair enough.

I still find it hard to believe though.

It's almost like someone is trying very hard to destroy the bruen/ Purcell comps....

billy3sheets

We've a fairly large membership and struggle to fill panels. It's hard to get people interested and committed. We've looked at not entering some competitions where the handicap ranges overlap to avoid playing same golfers on multiple teams. Even when we do fill panels, there are a lot of withdrawals in the early rounds around May due to communions and confirmations, leaving it to managers to fill in.

So I'd say the changes are to try to help with this.

token56

A question for the uneducated, in a match play with an even number of pairings, so moving to 4 from 5. How does the playoff work, is it a whole new match, or an extra hole for the last pair out? Something else?

L.O.F.T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121452626#Comment_121452626

If a tie-break is needed then it will be played by pre-selected players, players picked before matches begin i'd imagine - I would then say the pre-determined ''home draw team'' will have the holes pre selected for the playoff, in the event of a tie match.

golfguy1

the pre selected pairings will go down the 1st hole for sudden death

Salvadoor

I'm glad to see the Bruen ranges go back to the original as last years were too high, however the reduction to 4 pairings is just wrong

big_drive

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460805#Comment_121460805

What is the Bruen range for 2024?

Ronney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121462686#Comment_121462686

All the Info Here:

https://www.golfireland.ie/club-hub-detail/2024-inter-club-information-pack

slingerz

Really unsure about the changes to this. I think the purcell/bruen do need some changes but I dont think this is it. I would wonder about the logic behind it really.

Ronney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466072#Comment_121466072

Feed back from Clubs was they were having difficulty filling teams so reduction from 10 to 8 players. This also takes out the home advantage of 3matches, essentially now Home advantage only comes in for the potential Play off game.

Still a better system than the previous strokes qualifying where home side always had a massive advantage. Gives alot more teams the chance to get deeper in the comp

plumber77

Don't think any of this will address the real problem with pierce purcell, ie the serial winners. This is Probably more of a reason clubs can't muster enough interest. Not a level playing field.

L.O.F.T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121466150#Comment_121466150

I always thought the strokeplay qualifying worked well. The skill level was foursomes strokeplay to get rid of the poor teams and them onto matchplay. It created pressure to qualify which gave the competition a unique edge and excitement waiting to see did your score hold up to qualify for the matchplay

WH BONNEY

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121450849#Comment_121450849

The PP was destroyed a long time ago.

ClutchIt

So has the PP gone back to scratch then? That's a great move if so.

Seve OB

the old way of 1 weekend with loads of teams was great

maybe 20 teams playing on day 1 strokeplay with top 4 qualifying to play second day , semi in the morning and final in afternoon

then knockout run on similar weekends after that

Clubs seemed to welcome running the weekends, brought revenue and visitors into their clubs.

It only moved from this format because of Covid... I guess it won't be returning anytime soon

changes look crap

willabur

I didn't play interclubs pre covid, have only known the home and away element and I have to say that I really like it. The only issue is the time commitment needed is significant enough

mjsc1970

Have to say, I prefer the way it all was pre covid.

A cohort of teams all in one venue for the weekend felt more like an event. And you could plan towards and look forward to.

This home and away matchplay lark in each round doesn't do it for me.

Actually, Senior Cup and Shield has gone back to the old format like this from this year. I assume clubs voted for it.

willabur

so how did it work exactly before?

Ronney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121597572#Comment_121597572

Roughly 20 clubs would all play at the same venue over a weekend (sometimes 2) Saturday would be stroke play, lowest 4/5 cards to count.

Lowest 4 Clubs qualify for Match play on the Sunday, Semi in the morning, final pm.

The Sunday winners from each venue then went into match play against each other

Think this might have been more a Leinster thing due to numbers. Majority of teams would be eliminated after 1 week end. Straight MP now gives 4 rounds of matches to eliminate the same number of clubs. Teams feel like they are having a run when still in the comp after 6/8 weeks and a few matches.

Miley Byrne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121597680#Comment_121597680

It was the same in Munster but without the strokeplay. Straight matchplay on Saturday morning. You would probably play 4 matches over the weekend in the one venue if you kept winning. The winner on Sunday evening then went on as you say to play another region's winner at a neutral venue

Seve OB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121597680#Comment_121597680

just to add that the straight into matchplay would also tend to be over another weekend all grouped together again at a new venue, so maybe last 16, then quarters on a saturday, and a semi and final then on the sunday

big_drive

I thought there was more of a buzz around the place in the old system. Loads of games going on around the course, word coming through that a certain club might be winning/losing. Big enough crowds of spectators. I thought it felt like something more important

willabur

must have been ripe for some dodgy scoring?

Ronney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121599206#Comment_121599206

Not really, The home team more often than not would be the top Qualifiers. If you had 4 cards playing to the Handicap of the comp or even on 1 worse you tended to be in the top 4 easily enough

Quick search found this as an example

Junior Cup At Greystones Golf Club on Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th May

(Par 69 - JC at the time was for 5+ Hc, so +20 (296) over would be playing to H/C) - Weather might have been bad that day!

Qualifying:

314 Greystones; 316 Kilcoole; 319 Charlesland; 321 Woodbrook, Dun Laoghaire; 324 Blainroe; 325 Glen of the Downs; 326 Old Conna; 327 Wicklow; Delgany; 330 Powerscourt; 334 Druids Heath; 340 Druids Glen; 341 Bray; Killiney 351

Golfgraffix

Unfortunately very few clubs are willing to give their course up for a weekend in summer

slingerz

In munster it worked well enough. always a buzz on the saturday morning with the variety of teams around the courses.

Fairly taxing though coming back on the sunday to play round 3 & round 4 if you were to win it out.

Home club an obvious advantage but it was a level playing field for everyone else. chance to showcase your club too and generate some open comp traffic

willabur

makes SP achievement in the last 10 years all the more impressive, winning consistently across multiple formats

bobster453

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121600461#Comment_121600461

True for ya tho I remember one weekend in Clonmel and the stimpmeter must have been 20+ on the greens they were that fast.Think the home club won also think the Munster GUI were not too happy with greens being so fast.

Great weekends they were indeed..exciting buzz

willabur

well sometimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121604564#Comment_121604564

"the last raffle I was at was interesting, the people who ran the raffle won the raffle!!"

S_D

Is jimmy bruen a combined 14 Hc with a min of 3.5? Can I enter as 10.5? Stupid question probably

Ronney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121605776#Comment_121605776

Yes, you probaly would be paired with a 4/5 hc

plumber77

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121605776#Comment_121605776

Yes you can, but you'll need a 3.5 or more as a partner. Quite a large gap.

S_D

Thanks

fearruanua

Ceist re the new format for some comps. so you will still be home or away, with a 2-2 result meaning a playoff at the club drawn at home. My question is does the pairing to be involved in the playoff need to be predetermined before the match kicks off? or is it up to the captain to decide which pairing will participate in the playoff after the matches finish?

kennethrhcp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121699331#Comment_121699331

predetermined I'm sure I read

Seve OB

Yes I read predetermined also

but how does that go? Which team venue is it played

is it pairings that have already battled against each other or could they be facing off for first time in this playoff

what if captains pick their pairings for the playoff but these pairings are playing at different venues….. I haven’t seen answers to these questions

what used to happen….. maybe 20 years ago I was playing best cup. Was 3 home and 2 away but halved matches were allowed. We had a match that tied 2.5 to 2.5. The match which was the last match alive were the ones to go on and play in playoff.

as it happened it was us, we won our match something like 3&2 but lost playoff as were giving shot on the first hole ☹️

fearruanua

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121701431#Comment_121701431

Eventhough it's now 2 v 2 there will still be a nominated team which will be drawn at home. Play off if needed will be played at the course of the club drawn at home. Or at least that's my understanding of it.

Way too much chopping and changing going on in recent years. Every year there seems to be a different format and handicap range. Getting rid of competitions, bringing back competitions that they got rid off. Mind boggles.

I know they say their decisions are based on feedback from clubs. Is this going to an annual thing?

Seve OB

have to agree with this

Way too much chopping and changing going on in recent years. Every year there seems to be a different format and handicap range. Getting rid of competitions, bringing back competitions that they got rid off. Mind boggles.

paulos53

Draws are available: https://www.golfireland.ie/club-hub-detail/printable-copies-of-inter-club-draws

Seve OB

Never mind