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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2023/2024 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Wil see if this cooling trend takes hold, unsettled looking charts that would probably include some wintry precipitation, no very deep cold, alternating temperatures with frontal activity but colder than the present relatively mild spell anyway would think.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 00z overall is a very slight but further swing towards cold from December 28th into 1st week of January but it also turns much more unsettled from this date with plenty of rain and sleet possible in places. 6z is currently rolling out and ends on a cool zonal note, but I'm waiting for all the ensemble members to finish.

    The CFS extended is busy unleashing a beast or 2 to us in February and March so the Cant Forecast Snow is still going for cold weather to end the winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭Hooter23


    Thats what usually happens anyway...cold arrives near spring...there is more chance of it anyway at that time when all the arctic air starts to break up and flood south..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,605 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    That's it, whatever about a ssw, the natural break up of the vortex in combination with colder sea temperatures can unleash colder air our way at that time. I wouldn't say no to a cold spell in February but it will be somewhat disappointing if we don't have a cold spell in the heart of winter, especially if we do get a ssw in January, but we need to see charts firm up on that from one. Just imagine if we had Storm Emma in January or even early February. There would be no dripping snow melt at 0 degrees then!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The 6z is getting there for warming towards SSW levels however what we are seeing is still not a proper SSW. Some of the runs do bring the warmth into the pole and a displacement of the PV but no evidence yet trending towards a split which is what I really want to see.

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    Overall average trend:

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    Certainly shows the PV will be under pressure in early January but the PV is still in business as this looks like a displacement event. This does not look like it's enough to reverse the zonal winds for that we really need a proper split. If the above verifies I imagine there would be another go at getting an SSW later in January but it's getting a bit late for winter fun if we have to wait till end of January.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,605 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Ah feck. We just have to hope it's a displacement that works in our favour then-the pv moves en masse to Asia with no lobes left over Greenland.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,605 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The latest EC46 for January looks good from the second week onwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    NAO index heads to neutral and prob below in the first week of January after a sustained positive period.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The 6z gets us to SSW warming levels and a massive area of warming all the way from Europe, across Asia/Russia and almost as far as Alaska. While not an SSW because we don't get the warmth into the pole nor a split, I'm hoping we will see this upgrade further over the next few days. It does appear that we are going to get a major warming of some description during the 1st week of January.

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    NAO/AO look like they are going to head back into negative territory during the 1st week of January so northern blocking is very likely to come back. Some decent baby steps in the right direction.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭esposito


    Think the above indexes are out of date? Would you have the ones showing January. Thanks!



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The 6z set of ensembles is almost complete and it's looking like we are starting to develop a minor cold trend towards the final days of December with the colder ensemble members starting to bunch together in the -3 to -6 range and a few outliers appearing which go colder. This potential short cold spell is unlikely to amount to anything noteworthy but at least December may finish up feeling a bit more seasonal. Basically from Christmas Day onwards it's looking average temperatures or slightly cooler than average vs the very mild conditions up to Christmas Eve.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Those are currently the latest ones, should get updated again later on today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,605 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I wonder would that warming lead to a stretched pv and further warming as Sryan was saying. Let's hope we get a late Christmas present in the form of some juicy charts over the Christmas period for the new year. I have made my peace with yet another Green Christmas. It has been almost 20 years since I've seen snow fall on the big day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    A storm system keeps popping up for around the 27th too on various models. The GEM below. It looks like colder weather overall from Christmas Day onward but the Atlantic looks fairly mobile for the next 10 days which means (more than likely) a polar maritime airmass. The jetstream does look like dipping south and weakening altogether by around 7-10 days which is good news.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I'm supposed to be travelling back home on the 27th after Christmas with family, if the above verified I wouldn't be travelling all day in those conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭highdef


    The charts above would result in strong winds for the far south. Not sure where you'd be travelling from but I'd say you'd be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    I want a northerly wind not easterly as I don't live in Dublin anymore and I wouldn't get snow this neck of the woods 😫, hopefully that storm doesn't pull off as that's orange warnings for the south and west



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ECM extended has finally updated for today and it's ever so slightly less favoring a reversal of zonal winds compared to yesterday but still overall a good chance that it might happen. ECM also going for oceans of northern blocking beginning 1st week of January and intensifying throughout the month right out to months end and into early February.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM 12Z cold and wintry looking, LP's knocking about with frontal activity and windy at times.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Some tasty wintry members turning up on the GEFS end. Very much a Cold/mild/cold pattern to the ensembles with some blocking beginning to pop up in the final few days.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 18z certainly going for a cool to cold spell end of December and start of January, a few isolated members getting to the cold we need but we've quiet a way to go, hopefully more upgrades tomorrow and over the following week.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Not much change in the output for a possible SSW early January, all the GFS models and it's ensembles are going for a fairly major warming around 3th to 4th of January with a displacement event over Europe. The PV remains in business for the majority of models. A split of the PV seems highly unlikely with this one as not a single ensemble member getting anywhere near a split, unless we see a big change in the output in the next few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,605 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    We have got to hope the pv will be stretched and lead to further wave 2 warming and an eventual split by mid January. Then we need a qtr to hopefully still get a cold spell in the heart of winter. There is always ifs and buts trying to get proper cold our way . Why can't it ever be straightforward.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Models sticking for now with the colder trend as we move into next week. Lots of Lp's about so frontal rainbands bringing plenty of rain on and off, how they interact with the colder airmass will be of interest no doubt. A mixture of rain, sleet, hail and possible snow by the end of the week perhaps if the models hold they way they are looking these last couple of days. Impossible for any clarity of timing etc, lots going on in the Atlantic, winds will be shifting around a fair bit but looks to have weather coming down from the N and NW by the end of the week.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    The period between Christmas and New Year often sees a transition to colder weather, of varying degrees.

    1990, sleety and hill snow. 1995 bitter cold from Christmas Day to NYE. 1996 snowfall by NYE in many parts. 2000, some heavy snowfall. 2001 became much colder iirc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Since 09 the last week of December has been seriously lacking in cold sadly. 2014 and 2020 are the only yrs since then that had any cold days during the last week of December that i can remember. Or one day In 2010 ,being on Xmas day .



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 6z some of the members are beginning to get very close to a split so a split of the PV may be possible.

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    Other members are getting close but for the most part we are still looking at a displacement. If the above verified we would probably get a reversal of the zonal winds with fun and games setting up for the second half of January.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭esposito


    Yep pretty bad alright. I prefer colder days after Christmas to NYD more than the run up to it as we have time off work to enjoy it.

    This year we may finally get some cold days after Christmas. Hopefully it will be a taster of what’s to come in January and February!!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 12z turns slightly wintry.

    some low level cold to end the year for a day or 2.

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    First week of January stays chilly with a chance of some mid level cold.

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    We finish up with mild air trying to get back in from the south-west but we are so close to pulling in proper cold weather with wintry conditions.

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    Could this be the start of it all, hinting towards colder weather into the new year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    ECMWF weekly anomalies showing High pressure to our northwest

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    Reflected in a Met Eireann long-range

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