Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123688727#Comment_123688727

I think a lot of the over-the-top reaction comes from the fact that a certain viewpoint didn't have a "professional" outlet before now (at least not in modern times) and it has caused great annoyance to liberal Ireland that "this kind of thing" is now allowed. Before Gript, certain viewpoints could be dismissed as "that mad Twitter crowd" (and still are) or whatever. In all societies, challenging the prevailing orthodoxy leads to opprobrium from the "good people" who uphold the current accepted dogma. Having conservative or right-wing views in 2020's Ireland is the same as having liberal or left-wing views in 1950's Ireland - it rubs a large, vocal, powerful group up the wrong way, and makes them angry. The wheel always turns.

The Nal

The do love a good baiting aswell. Top story today.

https://gript.ie/dfa-offers-e120k-contract-for-africa-day-celebrations/

Doesnt criticise, offers no opinion. Just leaves it out there. "Africa Day" in quotations. Knows it'll cause outrage within the thick community.

And then when you read who wrote it:

Some religious nutter.

And you've Niamh Uí Bhriain. A mad woman who founded the Youth Defence.

Fatima Gunning. Another religious loon.

Big John. We know the craic there.

Scallan. In the Irish Freedom Party. More religious nutjobs.

Can see why they have a selective readership. In the Year of our Lord 2025.

Dravokivich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123688764#Comment_123688764

nope. When I read news I think about what direction it’s trying to take me. All the likes of gript and liberal do is aggrevate and mislead. I find it shocking that they focus so much on winding people up and they don’t seem to notice it. They just see it as an assertive opposing voice. It isn’t.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123688807#Comment_123688807

Do you think about "what direction" say, The Journal is trying to take you?

Danye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123688807#Comment_123688807

To play devils advocate isn’t every publication trying to take you in a certain direction?

Arghus

I don't understand why people are equating The Journal and Gript as being mirror opposites from each other from the other side of the political spectrum. They're pretty different.

Fair enough, editorially, the journal is "left" in approach and it's opinion pieces are reflective of that, but it does cover a much wider variety of news items.

Gript is just wall to wall culture war stuff.

I don't think they're really that comparable.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123688986#Comment_123688986

Only because of market need. Every mainstream media outlet in Ireland avoids what you call "culture war stuff" like the plague. The Journal covers the same stuff as all the other media outlets, just with added liberalism (and a touch of "fact checking" thrown in) whereas Gript has the field all to itself on criticism of government policy, especially when it comes to immigration. It's like starting any new business, especially where you are up against a state-sponsored competitor - you need to give the market what it's not getting elsewhere.

Dravokivich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123688870#Comment_123688870

yes, that is true. So what is the athmosphere they are looking to create with that?

Dravokivich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123688845#Comment_123688845

Not one where I’m being incited or driven by aggression. I can say the same for many other outlets. Not so for gript or liberal.

Arghus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689026#Comment_123689026

Yeah, sure, Gript has that corner of the market to itself - but I'm not arguing about that.

Whatever about it's perceived editorial position, the journal is more of a news, or headline aggregator than Gript. If you look at the front page now - there's stories about the weather, race course closures, business, a section dedicated to the listeria outbreak, sports, reviews, etc, etc. There's other more politically infused too, absolutely - but there's a wider variety of coverage than Gript's narrower focus. Which is why I think the comparison between the two isn't really that accurate.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689056#Comment_123689056

I'm not sure Gript is "driven by aggression" - could that be your perception rather than anything else?

I know nothing about liberal (never even heard of it before here) so can't speak to it.

I think Gript is just a media outlet like The Journal, and, again like The Journal, it has a clear bias - it's just that you see one bias as good and the other as bad. That's fine, we all have our preferences. Personally I think Gript fills a niche - I am non-religious so the Catholic thing does nothing for me, but the constant criticism of government policy is badly needed in my view, as most Irish media are far too subservient to government, especially on immigration policy. Up until recently, Gript was the only media outlet that would even dream of questioning the governments IPAS policy - interestingly, the Irish Times now seems to be changing tack. It's likely that Gript can be credited to some extent for making that possible.

Dravokivich

their article about Tuam has been posted many times. Proceed to ignore it if it doesn’t suit you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689082#Comment_123689082

Was that directed at me?

What has that got to do with me or my points above?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689058#Comment_123689058

So are you saying that, if Gript posted more stuff about the weather, business, sports reviews etc. you'd think it was better?

I would agree with you there, I do think it needs to spread it's net wider. Hardly reason to write it off though. It's fairly new and hasn't, as far as I'm aware, state funding, so hopefully it will improve over time.

Dravokivich

I don’t have to quote every post, otherwise we’d just be rereading the same things all the time.

The Tuam article is a recent example of Gripts complete disdain towards its readers and the aggression they drive.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689107#Comment_123689107

It is fairly standard to quote somebody if you are directing a question at them.

I haven't read the Tuam article, but I'll do so now out of curiosity (I usually avoid stuff that I see as the preserve of Catholicism, as I am not of that heritage). But I'm curious to see what disdain is shown towards its readers - I mean, aren't the readers free to stop reading it if they are shown disdain? I stopped reading The Journal because I felt they were disdainful, dishonest and even insulting, towards anyone who didn't fall exactly into line with their editorial policy, but I didn't get all worked up over it. It's still (just about) a free country, and we can read what we want. You seem to be taking Gript a bit personally, rather than just not reading it.

Dravokivich

this thread is about gript. I can speak more on liberal if that’ll help you.

Arghus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689105#Comment_123689105

I'm saying that The Journal and Gript aren't comparable on the whole. You can read articles on The Journal that have no dog in the fight in terms of ideology and you can read many that do. The Journal has a wider scope and breadth of coverage about many different things in comparison to Gript, so to say the two are just equivalents to each other simply isn't true.

By all means, let Gript cover whatever it likes in addition to what it does currently, but I think that's unlikely as I think their whole point is to maintain that narrower scope on things.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689127#Comment_123689127

Why would it help me?

Dravokivich

You suggested I have a personal issue with gript. I don’t. I have an issue with whoever tries to stir up agitation amongst groups of people. Which liberal do too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689155#Comment_123689155

In the world of fast moving consumer goods, those articles would be called loss leaders - they get the punters in, but aren't the raison d'etre. One could argue that Gript is more honest in their approach.

You could be right, so be it - if you're never going to read it anyway, why does it matter to you (or them) whether they appeal to you or not?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689226#Comment_123689226

Like I said, don't know it, not interested.

You seem to have an awful lot of dog in the fight for someone who doesn't like "this sort of thing" tbh.

Dravokivich

a lot of dog in the fight. It just means my attention for these issues hasn’t only been drawn to gript. I’ve looked further afield and found another “media outlet” doing the same stuff.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689252#Comment_123689252

So there are two media outlets in Ireland that are critical of government policy on immigration? Considering there are dozens which aren't, it hardly seems like a huge deal.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689228#Comment_123689228

but aren't the raison d'etre

So what is?

Arghus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689228#Comment_123689228

Only if you take as a given that The Journal & Gript are basically the same thing - which I disagree with, I think that's reductive argument - but you seem determined to re-frame everything in that light.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689259#Comment_123689259

For The Journal? Promoting a strongly pro-government agenda, and a strongly liberal view of current affairs, while presenting any alternative view as conspiracy theory or extremism.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689276#Comment_123689276

I'm not determined to reframe anything.

I stated I believe the two media outlets are similar but opposite. You strongly disagree, presumably because you agree with the views of The Journal, and strongly disagree with the views of Gript, and can't countenance that there are any similarities. Thar's fine, but it doesn't automatically make you right, any more than my opinion automatically makes me right.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123688727#Comment_123688727

Why does Gript, the content of its articles and the opinion of its readers bother you

Because they publish lies, and stir up racial hatred every chance they get.

They're now running interference for child killers.

You (and Gript) are allowed have a different view, but you are not allowed have your own facts.

The absolute irony of a Gript reader trotting out the "think for yourself" line though 🤣

Arghus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123689323#Comment_123689323

My argument is that there's similarities, but also differences. To say one opinion is equivalent with another isn't true: it's an objective fact to say The Journal covers more items across a wider variety of subjects than Gript. Whether one presumably agrees or not with either themselves or Gript, or seems deems one "better" than the other is irrelevant.