"the Irish far-right loathe Ireland more than anyone else", Joe Brolly has said

Francis McM

Saw / heard this headline on newstalk.

Quote “No one hates Ireland more than the Irish far-right,” he told The Hard Shoulder. 

“They hate bus drivers, librarians, Luas drivers, teachers, women, gays, trans - they loathe trans people - politicians, they can’t stand politicians,” he said.  “They hate working people, Muslims, Jews"

https://www.newstalk.com/news/irish-far-right-hate-ireland-more-than-anyone-joe-brolly-1618628

Does he realise that some of the rioters were heard chanting "uh Ah up the RA" and referring to the Gardai as black and tans etc ?

The rioting occured in Mary Lou's own constituency. I think the rioters and looters and people who stole from the shops should be condemned, not the Gardai. The Gardai or its commissioner should not be complained about in my opinion, they did a fine job under difficult circumstances.

If someone refers to SF/IRA supporters as far right - or at least those who riot and chant uh ah up the RA - I suppose that is food for thought.

Strazdas

A complicating factor is that security analysts reckon that while the initial protest for 7pm was planned by the far right, many other opportunist thugs and hooligans and street criminals got wind of what was happening via social media and came along just for the aggro and to cause mayhem.

It may well have ended up with a scenario where one third of the rioters were genuinely far right and the other two thirds were just general louts and yobs with no particular interest in far right politics or the immigration question.

WrenBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427629#Comment_121427629

What fraction were made up of people who were horrified at the earlier events and wished to voice their anger with the current system ? Or are far right and yobs the only options ?

TomTomTim

Ah yes, those who want to change nearly everything about our nation are the ones who love it. Those who want to preserve what we have/had are the ones who hate Ireland. This is gaslighting of the worst kind.

ednwireland

joe brolly - enough said

The far right want Ireland to be a certain way, a way that its has never been in its history, so yes they hate Ireland as it is and as it is evolving into.

Some people simply cannot stand the fact that most irish people are accomodating to difference. This is why even though concern about immigration is growing, the far right are not the natural beneficiaries of that concern and they still languish in single figure polling numbers.

People simple are repelled by the core of hate at the heart of right wing politics.

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Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427648#Comment_121427648

Ironically, I suspect many of the far right protesters didn't intend there to be violence at the 7pm event, but their protest was effectively hijacked by the numerous gurriers who came along and who immediately started lobbing missiles at the Gardai.

But it's example perhaps of how constantly whipping things up on social media can have unintended consequences.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427649#Comment_121427649

By preserve what we had what exactly do you mean?

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427692#Comment_121427692

True, but interesting to hear him condemn ( as I understand it ) the SF / IRA supporters who were rioting - they were if they chanted "uh ah up the RA" - as the far right.

Wonder how the far right will do in the next election?

SharkMX

There was one thing in common with all those people rioting or protesting or whatever they felt they themselves were doing.

That would have been the one brain cell they share between the lot of them.

Far right and rioters generally are thick individuals.

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Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058324798/the-irish-far-right-loathe-ireland-more-than-anyone-else-joe-brolly-has-said

You're getting a little confused there

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427803#Comment_121427803

Then why were they chanting Uh Ah Up the RA? I would suspect out of all the parties, SF is the most likely one for those who chant "Up the RA" to vote for?

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Tombo2001

I would have more in common with a teacher in Istanbul or Toronto than I would with some scobe on a scooter in his nike tech fleece shouting 'up the ra'. They make people ashamed to be Irish.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427846#Comment_121427846

So what party do you think those who chant "uh Ah up the RA" and shout "black 'n tans" at the Gardai are most likely to vote for?

Whose constituency did the riot / looting take part in again?

bucketybuck

The scumbag rioters have more integrity than Joe Brolly, there has never been a single honest word from that POS.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427832#Comment_121427832

Are you taking the piss?

A group of dumb irish lads shouting "up the ra", sure thats never ever happened before...

Next you'll be saying the "Ole ole ole" song is a far right anthem.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427832#Comment_121427832

SF have, unwittingly, acted as a bulwark by bringing along a far right element under a left banner. It seems that a cohort of their vote hear “Ireland for the Irish” when SF talk of a united Ireland.

The biggest worry I, personally, would have now is not what will happen if SF get into government but what happens in the election after they’ve been in government, when that “voter base” comes to realise that SF are a pro-immigration party on the left.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427856#Comment_121427856

I think it's very unlikely the people shouting that actually vote and even if they did it's marginal. In fact most of "them" believe Sinn Fein to be a sell out.

Those looting and rioting have no political ideals... they're just a bunch of Scummers, that hate the Brits, (and indeed most people that aren't white and Irish)

Like depending on who you ask, there is no serious contender RW political party in Ireland. (nor is there a LW party, again depending on who you ask), and that in a nutshell is the problem with *wing politics

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lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427677#Comment_121427677

Good post. They do hate Ireland, no question about that. The lads who were rioting were just inner city lads, most of whom wouldn't have a clue about immigration politics but they will take their chance to give the police some abuse and riot and loot if they can get away with it. It's been said before even at these far right type things in Finglas "these young lads haven't got a clue about any of this, I had to tell them who klaus schwab was etc" from one of those lunatic far right types which are so prevalent on here. Ultimately the far right lads do hate Ireland as it is and as it will be and it's quite enjoyable to know that they will live their lives in perpetual angst lol

Potatoeman

Ah the far right bogeyman, responsible for everything, every poorly thought out government policy and mishandled situation. It wouldn’t be government incompetence? Is it the far right that underfunded the Gardai? Is it the far right stabbing babies in their prams? Is it the far right not paying their TV licenses too? What else can they be blamed for?

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427910#Comment_121427910

Being racist scum would be a good start.

Fred Cryton

Joe Brolly - how can one man be completely wrong about absolutely every issue. Flipping a coin would give you better chance of getting it right than Joe Brolly.

It's not anti immigration sentiment, it's anti bogus asylum seekers and people living off the State 10 or 20 years without getting a job. It's anti - Jihadi ideology as well. Face it, we don't want to import people possessed by Jihadi ideology into Ireland. We just don't, so accept it or move aside.

We have a serious problem here, and it's a clear tactic to try to slur that with the catch all "anti-immigration" or "Far-right" nonsense, as if anyone at all has a problem with a foreign doctor or nurse coming into the country.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427910#Comment_121427910

Everyone in the country has issues with the government on the things you mention. What marks the far right crowd out is that they want ultra simplistic (usually authoritarian or draconian) solutions to everything, as if a society can be run on three word slogans.

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427991#Comment_121427991

A society can be run based on tough borders with strict entry criteria. Australia comes to mind. Good look claiming asylum there.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427967#Comment_121427967

That’s the game, try and lump in skilled migrants that pay their own way with refugees that have highly questionable stories and then bring in a blanket amnesty a few years later even for those with criminal records. More onto the housing list and into the welfare state. What could go wrong?

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427803#Comment_121427803

There is a element who look at SF with their avowed nationalism and Irish flag politics as being an "Irish for the Irish" Party. A not insignificant element either. These are generally the one brained cell, someone else is to blame for everything brigade. That someone else now being immigrants. The brain cell is too busy engaged in hate however to realise Sinn Fein do not stand for the hate they profess.

An emergence of a> 10% anti immigrant party would probably impact the Sinn Fein vote more than any of the other party's even though there would be minimal overlap in platforms.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427998#Comment_121427998

30% of the Australian population (7.5m people) weren't born there. How did that come about? It's actually one of the most multicultural countries in the western world.

Fred Cryton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428022#Comment_121428022

Right and that was legal migration. Those 7.5m people did not claim asylum and were not given accommodation by the State. There was also no entitlement to welfare and there was no burning of passports on arrival. And very few if any were possessed by jihadi ideology. So little bit different yeah?

elperello

We hardly need Joe Brolly to tell us that those people have nothing to offer in the way of solutions.

But seeing as he has chimed in I agree with him.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427648#Comment_121427648

The people horrified was all over Ireland, everyone I knew was horrified but also knew not to go near town because the event would be used by a group of scumbags to create a riot. Just look at the thread at the time and people on here called it was going to happen.

You can answer what fraction was made up. From what I seen the people who went into Dublin that night only wanted to riot and loot. They didn't give a care about what happened earlier in the day

joseywhales

There appears to be some debate over whether these people were far right or whether they were hijacked by a bunch of yobs out for carnage. But I fail to see the difference

eightieschewbaccy

Little bit telling which posters seem to be getting outright offended on behalf of the far right. It's pretty well known that such groups are homophobic, transphobic and racist. Plus their telegram groups have been raving about engaging in violence for ages. Now that it's happened, pretend they had nothing to do with it....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427902#Comment_121427902

Hate speechs is hate speech, having a reasonable opinion which doesn't provoke violence towards minorities is and will always be free to express. Those like the far right thugs who rioted know full well that their every utterance will be illegal.

Rosahane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121427846#Comment_121427846

I expect you still believe in Santa 😂

Elmer Blooker

Back in the days of Catholic Ireland when the bishops ran the country anyone who stepped out of line was labelled a ‘Red’ or a communist to shut them up, we know about Noel Browne for example.

Now people are labelled ‘far right’ to shut them up …. plus ca change.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428048#Comment_121428048

There's no way the Irish far right would be happy with one third of the Irish population being non nationals, no matter whether legal or illegal - they would be beyond meltdown point.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428022#Comment_121428022

wasnt Australia known for having a points system, if you are considered useful , you have a better chance of getting in, and Ive heard recently that they give preferential treatment for working up time in the outback, would they give a waster who hadnt worked 20 years citizenship? i'd hope not

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428158#Comment_121428158

But they actually have higher net immigration than Ireland per capita and have had for many years. I'm always baffled when the anti-immigration supporters in Ireland hold them up as a template to aspire to - the Australian system would mean more immigration into Ireland (!)

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428048#Comment_121428048

A quick google tells me Australia have taken 1 million refugees in the last 50 years or so. They are given some financial support and medicare cards. They are also helped find accommodation by various organisations. So you wouldn't be happy there either.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428126#Comment_121428126

"Reasonable opinion", as defined by unreasonable people, which is the very problem. It's very clear that some would be very happy to make all of their opinions illegal.

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428158#Comment_121428158

Canada is similar, points system, though it's one in four who have been or are a landed immigrant. You also have to bear in mind also, that you can't just give a visa to one person, you have to bring their family too, spouse , kids, parents.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428158#Comment_121428158

Migrants are not the same as refugees. Migrants are allowed into Ireland on the basis of their skills and ability to support themselves, they operate on a work VISA which can be revoked if they fail to support themselves.

Refugees are people who Ireland had an obligation to accept based on the likely threat to their life and welfare in their home country. Ireland has accepted significant numbers of Ukrainian refugees, not on a perminent basis but until they are able to return home.

International law obliged Ireland to accept refugees. Migrants are entirely dictated by national and EU law. Mixing the two up is a tactic of the far right to paint the Irish government as operating an open door migration policy, which is as far from the truth as possible to be. The Irish government has until the Ukrainian crisis had an extremely tight and Draconian anti-refugee policy (ask those in direct provision).

All countries operate on the same basis, including Australia. Refugees can only be turned away based upon the legitimacy of their asylum claim.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428188#Comment_121428188

You seem deeply concerned about hate speech legislation - telling.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428219#Comment_121428219

I dont believe the vast majority of refugees are genuine, they are just playing the system.

HalloweenJack

A quick look at recent squads for the Australian football teams includes these players

Thomas Deng, Awer Mabil, Mohamed Toure, Garang Kuol, Nestory Irankunda

Every one of them was born in a refugee camp in Africa before making their way to Australia and being granted asylum and later citizenship. And that's five examples from a very select group of Australians. The overall numbers are surely much higher. Australia isn't really the tough state its reputation suggests.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121428240#Comment_121428240

Then they can be sent home.

Francis McM

Make you wonder who the real fascists were / are when the rioters were heard chanting "uh Ah up the RA" and shouting "black 'n tans" at the Gardai.

You can call them National Socialists, you can call them the far right, you can call them SF/IRA supporters, but they should not have rioted, looted and chanted "uh Ah up the RA" and shouting "black 'n tans" at the Gardai. No excuses.

Did Mary Lou McD condemn the rioters as much as she could have, or was she afraid of alienating the voter base in her constituency?