Farronshoneen Roundabout

spookwoman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124030712#Comment_124030712

that's a courtasy crossing not a zebra crossing or else it would be indicated. You stop when someone is already on the cross walk, but stopping before while on the roundabout also breaks the rule of not stopping on a roundabout unless necessary.

It's dangerous as I keep saying because of low sun, you can get hit from behind as a relative did at the ardkeen stores / hospital if someone just steps out and also the pedestrian is crossing 3 lanes of traffic. Common sense says people should not cross 3 lanes of traffic unless there are traffic lights or a proper zebra crossing. There is a reason why pedestrian crossing are between 5 and 20m from junctions and that is better visibility and safety.

Meatball.Martin

https://www.waterfordlive.ie/news/local-news/1953169/waterford-priest-puts-forward-plan-to-solve-traffic-chaos-at-school-times.html

Divine intervention? Or Father Ted-like "is there anything to be said for saying a prayer?". Hynes is setting the scene for more one way roads up that direction of town. And his brand of active travel mayhem i.e. widened footpaths raised platforms et al. Oh yeah. Forget about the residents. The people who live in the area. It's guaranteed to be safe old son cuz nothing will be moving as we all sit in gridlock. When do we get to a point where ppl say "hang on a second, No! We don't agree with you. We don't want this BS." Unelected local government employees making changes to our environment which nobody has asked for. If this is allowed to continue unopposed than in a couple of years all our journeys will be long, tedious and prolonged. Except of course for the handful of gortex wetwear all weather cyclists. Tis a great little country eh?

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032120#Comment_124032120

So let's install a zebra crossing like the one towards farren park and remove one of the lanes at this roundabout?

People would lose their minds. People would also complain it's not possible to go to Tesco as a pedestrian due to rain, carrying bags etc so I need my car, so by not doing the above you expect the pedestrian to walk further than they need to, thus resulting in them needing a car and adding to traffic.

The opposite side of this road also has yield signs to yield for pedestrians, so it's designed to try and allow safe crossing for pedestrians.

Again is pedestrians, cyclists and motorists proceed with care in a safe controlled way, then there is no issue here. Allow plenty distance between the bar in front.

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032136#Comment_124032136

The thing is the traffic is already bad, and it's going to get worse, so what is the solution other than another river crossing?

Population is continuing to increase, usage of cars is rising so how do you solve the dunmore road/ardkeen area?

Public transport and cycle aren't proper alternatives at present as with a bus it sits in the same traffic, on a bike it can be dangerous, so what do we do?

The peak times coincide with school and work start and finish times. So the first area to tackle is school, how can we get kids to find an alternative way to school rather than being dropped off/picked up by parents?

Both cycling and public transport are good alternatives, but due to the traffic the bus can't be reliable at those hours, cycling is dangerous so do we just continue as we are or do we try something else?

spookwoman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032283#Comment_124032283

But that is what is expected of people who use the bus. They still have to walk down to the bus stops and it's what the active travel lot want of people who drive cars.

914

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124033790#Comment_124033790

Would you rather they placed the bus stop on the roundabout?

The idea of the pedestrian access point here to Ardkeen retail park, credit union etc is the shortest route between there and large residential area.

There is nothing off the wall about crossing this roundabout, if pedestrians stop looking, listen, both cyclists and motorists drive with care while maintaining a safe distance from the vehicle in front of them, then there is no issue.

Also throw on the shades for the low lying sun.

It's either that or put in place a dedicated zebra crossing at each side of that roundabout to force traffic to stop, reduce to one lane to make it safe for pedestrian access.

Also the bus location is positioned so that it is near the Solas centre.

Cabaal

Well look at that, cycle lanes do help emergency services like I've been saying.

https://road.cc/content/news/new-cycle-lanes-not-impeding-ambulances-report-finds-317073

[quote]The majority of Limerick’s protected cycle lane schemes do not impede ambulance drivers and have, in some cases, enhanced accessibility for emergency services in the Irish city, a new report has found.

Earlier this week, members of the Metropolitan District of Limerick were briefed on a new report assessing the city’s active travel infrastructure, the first of its kind in Ireland and which will be used to ultimately inform a wider nationwide active travel study.

The independent report, titled ‘Integration of Active Travel Programme with Emergency Services – Integration and Impact Assessment Study’, was commissioned by Limerick City and County Council to “understand and address any challenges that the new, segregated cycling and walking schemes might pose to the work of emergency services”.

The study was based on a combination of design reviews, field analysis, traffic flow assessment, and consultation with key stakeholders, including the Irish police force An Garda Síochána, Limerick Fire and Rescue Service, Limerick Marine Search and Rescue, and the National Ambulance Service.

According to the report, the majority of the city’s active travel schemes “successfully maintained or enhanced emergency service accessibility”.

“The implemented designs, adhering closely to the guidelines outlined in the Design Manual for Urban Roads and Streets (DMURS) and the National Transport Authority (NTA) Cycle Design Manual, effectively facilitated the movement of emergency vehicles by ensuring adequate carriageway widths and junction radii,” the report said.

“Such design considerations not only supported emergency vehicle manoeuvrability but also enhanced pedestrian and cyclist safety, contributing to broader community benefits.”

These findings have been shared with the National Transport Authority and will be used, Limerick Council says, to guide future cycling and walking schemes.

Issues surrounding road width and accessibility for emergency services have long been cited by opponents of proposed cycle lane schemes across the UK and Ireland.[/quote]

Just make them wider and we can have basically deadicated 'roads' for ambulance etc in emergency situations.
As a motorists I'm fully for this idea.