KIA EV3

JohnySwan

GT LINE in pearl white looks great imo.

andron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122971675#Comment_122971675

No "Heat" mode for air conditioning? Niro has it and it is very useful on cold weather.

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001749#Comment_123001749

🤣 Maybe

John arse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001756#Comment_123001756

Wheels are awful imo.

JohnySwan

I forgot to add that they wouldn't take my 231 Ev as a trade in either.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123002498#Comment_123002498

That's Disgraceful. What were you going to trade in?

Exiled Rebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001729#Comment_123001729

It has an appallingly cheap feel to it and I was in the GT Line version.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123002498#Comment_123002498

Standard fare in the motor trade at the moment. Best keep what you have until the used EV market starts to stabilise.

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123002610#Comment_123002610

Tesla M3.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123002973#Comment_123002973

That's disappointing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123003056#Comment_123003056

Ya, will be now.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123003104#Comment_123003104

If you’re in a LR car, this might be worth looking into ? https://www.donedeal.ie/view/38627590

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123003195#Comment_123003195

Rwd, I'll be keeping it for another few months at least. Thanks anyway.

podge3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001729#Comment_123001729

Cheapest Megane eTech is €36.5k.

The eTech is a great looking car but its a Renault so I personally wouldn't take one for free (well, I'd take a free one and sell it 😃).

I think the EV3 is a great car. Not as fantastic as all the motoring journalists have said but its the best out there that suits me.

Some of the design features of the EV3 are questionable. On the outside, the large amount of plastic is a bit daft but the quality of said plastic isn't any cheaper looking than most other cars in the same price bracket. The GT Line gets piano black cladding, that'll look great in a few years 🙄. I'd much prefer the matt version on the Earth models.

There are cheaper cars out there, no question. The MG ZS is a lot of car for the money but its now EOL and from a largely unknown Chinese manufacturer. The MG4 topped the list as the most unreliable car in a recent What Car survey (if you put any heed in these). The MG brand in general was also the most unreliable with only the MG5 doing OK.

The Skoda Elroq is probably the closest competitor in the same category but that ends up being quite pricey when you start adding options to it.

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123004311#Comment_123004311

My sister has an MG ZS and it's been flawless.

I do really like the EV3 and haven't ruled it out, I need to see the Gt Line but at 50k 😬

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123004311#Comment_123004311

"The eTech is a great looking car but its a Renault so I personally wouldn't take one for free (well, I'd take a free one and sell it 😃)."

What utter nonsense. My sister has a hybrid Clio the last 3 years abd has had 0 problems with it. Its a great car very well made and built and very nice to be in.

podge3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123004468#Comment_123004468

The Renault website and Donedeal indicates that the starting price for an eTech is €36.5k. The Mallon Motors price might include some kind of "trade-in boost", cheapest I can see when you click on the car is €34,245 plus delivery etc. It would be a great deal @ €31k, although I still wouldn't buy it.

I like the ZS, I considered it for my last purchase but the trade-in price offered on my existing car was derisory.

A friend of mine has an MG4, lovely car but it has the LKA jerking issue that MG cannot seem to fix.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123004541#Comment_123004541

Not all Renaults are equal. Some owners have got badly burned with them over the years. A colleague of mine had a 6 month old Laguna wrote off due to a faulty wiring loom.

podge3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123004541#Comment_123004541

What's nonsense to you is fact to me.

In the many dozens of cars I have owned in my car-driving life, my experience with two Renault Meganes is by far the worst. I was stuck for a second-hand car one Christmas and I stupidly made the mistake of buying a two year Megane - going against everything I had heard about Renaults over the years.

It was a terrible car, lovely to drive but plagued with electrical issues. Before the twelve months warranty was up, I bought another, a lovely Monaco edition with leather interior, gorgeous car. I (even more stupidly) assumed that Renaults couldn't be so unreliable but guess what - they are. The second car was even worse, in the garage on an almost weekly basis with electrical issues. I traded it into Merlin Motor City, who subsequently went bust, I blame my Megane 🤨.

As I said in my original post, I wouldn't personally buy one. You, and your sister, can buy whatever car you like.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123004847#Comment_123004847

100% agree.
The Renault is one of the nicest EV’s in that segment at the moment but I couldn’t and wouldn’t.

The BYD Atto would be one of the nicest in that size and price segment IMO.

podge3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123004873#Comment_123004873

The Atto is a great car, I considered it before buying an EV3. The range and somewhat limited dealerships are what put me off.

I understand there is a larger battery version due next year at some stage.

One thing I can't understand about BYD is the name. For such a huge company, could they not have employed a western advertising agency (or similar) to advise on the name, who wants to be driving around with Build Your Dreams on the back of the car? This type of naming might do well in China but not in the western world. I think the newer models have (or will soon) just have BYD, but still.

JohnySwan

Looks really well in the shale grey too.

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123004873#Comment_123004873

Not a fan of how the Atto 3 drives, feels numb, steering is very strange on them. Full of fisher price plastics too.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123005826#Comment_123005826

Not surprised. You’re looking at the segment that is cheap, Chinese, Korean cars. It’s to be expected.

Casati

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123005874#Comment_123005874

50k for small family hatch on stilts is certainly not cheap though. I might be going out in my own but I don’t see anything remotely good looking about the styling, unless you’re coming from something like a Picasso or Fiat Multipla.

Spending 50k on one of these when China is producing better cars for a fraction of that price is going to make it a depreciation timebomb. Give it another two years and when we have real competition with Chinese OEM distributing directly - cars like the EV3 will see massive price cuts - ie the GT Line is a 30k car max. Buying new now will cost 10k Pa in depreciation

I get that some buyers are attracted by the ‘thousands they can save in fuel’ over whatever petrol or diesel they have now but ignoring likely depreciation is brain dead. ‘Mad lad’ might be a dose but he’s offering honest first hand experience after losing circa 20k in 2 years buying one of the most hyped EV’s ever. With fuel cost driving a diesel is maybe €1500 per annum- or the cost of a typical charger, the saving on fuel is less than a grand for most motorists. If you’ve got that much money that you don’t worry about depreciation on a 50k car, then go and buy a decent car!

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123005935#Comment_123005935

I’m not in the market for an EV3, just offering an opinion on why the poster is seeing so much plastic in the cars he’s looking at.

I believe ML is an outlier, he bought a car knowing it couldn’t do the commute he needed. Madness is right. He also bought brand new. 20k loss on brand new cars after 2 years with the mileage he does, after they’ve gone through a price cut is unfortunate and bad timing. But look at the main motors forum, ICE cars are being offered stupid low trade in too. If your doing the mileage then cars will depreciate in line with that.

A charger is not €1500 either. €699 supplied and fitted after the grant.

It’s a fuel choice at the end of the day. Pick the one that suits you.

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123005935#Comment_123005935

Ya, 40-50k is hardly bargain basement. I agree, this will depreciate badly as it's ridiculously overpriced. I like the styling though.

Don't forget that the Chinese cars are cheaper for a reason, just look at the conditions at a factory in construction for BYD, and some of the Chinese brands are massively subsidised by a horrible regime. Hard to get away from Chinese made products though, but we really need to.

Buddy Bubs

We can only buy what is in front of us, which Chinese are available in Ireland at the moment severely undercutting the others? And what's their current market share?

It's a little bit like the hydrogen and solid state battery argument, it may in time be the dominant force but for now it's only a theory.

MG are definitely cheaper than the opposition but hardly dominating. I have a friend looking at mg4, he will be extremely frugal with car purchases, he has loads of money but won't spend over 30k on a new car so mg4 might be right for him?

BYD starting to make some waves. Which others are going to take over from the Koreans and Europeans?

It will take a long time for the new brands to take a foothold here, it wouldn't overly worry about buying an ev3 today. I maybe wouldn't buy the 47k GT spec if I was worried about resale but I would buy the 42k earth 3 which I think is the sweet spot.

Casati

You can only buy what’s in front of you agreed - but that doesn’t mean for most people you actually have to buy a new overpriced car. 42k plus met plus €1600 delivery makes it 45k, still mad money for such a small car without any amazing performance or range etc.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123006085#Comment_123006085

I'll give you that @Casati , at 45k it's getting a bit tasty i never took extra charges into account

Casati

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123006180#Comment_123006180

There is no doubt that EV’s will reach price parity with ICE - hopefully this year. Battery cost is massively down and with mega competition prices will drop. As everybody knows EV’s have less moving parts and aside from battery cost are much cheaper to make. Price parity = similar pricing exc vrt, vat, ev grants etc. At the moment the manufactures and especially distributors cashing in big time but that won’t last.

So for example, something like a base spec 45k EV3 has inc circa 7k in grants, so true price is circa 52k. Less VRT €3500 and Vat that’s about 39.5k net.

A vastly larger Kia Sorento 2.2 auto is circa 65k and attracts 31% vrt. Less VRT of €20k that’s 45k, less VAT that’s €36.5k net. Indeed the Sorento is cheaper again due to the available discounts.

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123006359#Comment_123006359

I thought one of the reviewers said that the interior dimensions of the EV3 and Sorento were very similar. It's as spacious inside as my M3 anyway. Exterior width is the same too.