Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053729#Comment_122053729

….you don’t recall???? I certainly do. While it had not made it to the textbooks yet or by extension the curricula, there were indeed myriad discussions about it, Shiite Muslims, planes legging over in Shannon, etc etc.

Your poor memory or insular experience is noted I guess.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053745#Comment_122053745

Do you mean they sanctioned a few individuals, not the entire country?

Not the same thing is it?

The sanctions, including travel bans and asset freezes, target senior officials in Xinjiang who have been accused of serious human rights violations against Uighur Muslims.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053738#Comment_122053738

About as bad as the way LGBT+ folks are treated by the palestinians so. No sympathy from here.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053746#Comment_122053746

Bollocks. School is a grand place to discuss contemporary issues. Plenty of examples of it. Students aren’t oblivious to the world around them, just as in my day lessons were routinely contextualized with what was going on in Iraq and Afghanistan and Post 9/11

Please quantify how much Russian mail An Post handles vs. Russian mail. Justify this off topic whataboutery.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053768#Comment_122053768

There's a difference between 'discussing contemporary issues' and the drive that flyer is pushing to promote a particular angle in schools throughout the country.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053734#Comment_122053734

I didn't call you evil. Maybe I shouldn't have used it at all, but my point was that it is evil wrong to condemn a country that is just trying to prevent any more attacks on its civilians by any means necessary. Israel should not stop until its population is safe, and at the moment it isn't. Organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah are still active, and also hostile countries like Iran are still a threat. Hostages are still held by Palestinians. Hamas rockets are still flying - that became so normalized it's not even in the news anymore.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053814#Comment_122053814

It is wrong to use any means necessary. It would be wrong to drop biological or chemical weapons. it would be wrong to drop a nuke. It would be wrong to starve millions.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053174#Comment_122053174

Unfortunately I have not the slightest problem in comprehending Israel's actions. It's wanton killing for the sake of assuaging the blood lust of the settler factions Netenyahu needs onside to stay in power. Genocide, because we hate those inferior Palestinian scum. An accelleration of the kill them, or drive them out, and take their land and homes policy that has held sway since the state of Israel was formed.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053524#Comment_122053524

Well now. You might believe such utter lies but please don't assume the rest of us are as trenchantly ignorant of the basic facts of the situation as you are. The IDF has admitted that there are an acceptable number of civilian casualties when taking out a suspected Hamas target. It could be up to 1,000 to take out one suspect. Why do you think they were using 1,000 lb bombs? Civilian casualties don't mean anything to Israel, because Israel do not see Palestinians as human.

And while casualties are usually inevitable in war, protagonists on both sides are bound to do their utmost to limit civilian deaths. The people Israel weren't allowed to bomb or shoot, they are starving to death instead.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053843#Comment_122053843

I don't know if you just don't see the lack of logic or you do see it but you're arguing in bad faith.

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053814#Comment_122053814

That's just infantile logic tbh, 'by any means necessary', really?? You've just justified wiping out the state of Israel to make Palestinian lives safer, well done.

Its madness how many of the extreme Israel supporters have Hamas logic in their heads, they just happen to be on the other side. Like the other guy sayings it's fine that Palestinian detainees were beaten to death, sickening.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053762#Comment_122053762

So how does Israel using blackmail to turn gay Palestinian into informers sit with you?

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053720#Comment_122053720

No, it's not. It is lawful to use WP against personnel and equipment both. It's extremely unpleasant, and so most Western nations tend to restrict its use as a matter of general policy for political purposes and its unlawfulness has turned into something of a common myth as a result, but there is no convention which prohibits its use in such a manner.

There may have been times Israel used it unlawfully, but no more or less so than any potentially unlawful use on any other weapon such as bombs which fall under generally the same rules of responsibility to minimise civilian casualties. The one exception is the use of air delivered incendiaries on military targets within concentrations of civilians, those are blanket prohibited under protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (same convention which covers booby traps, coincidentally). Since I haven't seen a single reference, however, to WP being delivered by any form of Israeli aircraft, that specific prohibition does not apply.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053814#Comment_122053814

define safe. Until everyone else is dead? Half? 100,000? A million?

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053714#Comment_122053714

Israel bombed gaza on September 26. Just one of a number of bombings prior to Oct. 7.

Oct. 7 was an attrocity and retribution is not a problem, however Israel has sought to destroy the entirety of Gaza and in doing so killed 34,000 people and wounded another 75k and created a humanitarian situation that they need never have.

They can surgically strike a consulate in syria, but they have to absolutely level gaza? Doesn't make much sense

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053755#Comment_122053755

My school has someone come in to address us about the rendition flights in Shannon.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053762#Comment_122053762

And they treat millions of palestinans as sub human.

Lazy, tired, but Israel is progressive because eof LGBT rights.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054026#Comment_122054026

The usage of white phosphorus is restricted under international humanitarian law. Although there can be lawful uses, it must never be fired at, or in close proximity to, a populated civilian area or civilian infrastructure, due to the high likelihood that the fires and smoke it causes spread. Such attacks, which fail to distinguish between civilians and civilian objects and fighters and military objectives, are indiscriminate and thus prohibited.

Given that gaza is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there was no way it's use could ever be considered anything but unlawful by Israel

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054179#Comment_122054179

No more rockets launched from Gaza would be a good start. Until that happens no one have the right to tell Israel to stop.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053907#Comment_122053907

I'm not arguing in bad faith. You don't seem to get it. You say it doesn't matter how many civilians are killed so long as results in Hamas being Killed. You are arguing that the end justifies the means. And therefore any means can be used. You literally said "By any means necessary". So where does that stop for you? Is it chemical weapons? Would it be ok to drop toxins on them?

Is it ok to starve millions? Is it ok to cut off water from millions of civilians in a desert environment? Is it ok to bomb as many civilians as possible on the off chance someone from Hamas might be present? How many children's deaths are ok?

What war crimes do you think is acceptable? Because you literally said "By any means necessary" and I'm wondering if you mean it literally.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054672#Comment_122054672

Again ignoring Israel was firing rockets first in all this.

Also, how about all stolen lands and houses are returned and an agreement that all illegal settlements won't happen in future.

It's a 2 way streetz however, Israels side of the street is a 10 lane motorway compared to a regional road in terms of what's being inflicted

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044024#Comment_122044024

I really can’t let this one go. So they’ll deliver post to rapists, murders and pedos in this country but won’t deliver post to or from anyone in Israel from Ireland. This is indefensible. Are our post office overlords going to decide what political parties are allowed to send fliers through the post next? This is a very slippery slope.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054799#Comment_122054799

Possibly, but people feel the need to act when there's inaction towards a grave injustice.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054829#Comment_122054829

Postal workers really don’t have the right to make that call and keep their jobs. It doesn’t matter how firmly they believe in any cause it’s far outside their remit. Even the most abhorrent criminal is entitled to receive and send mail it should be screened as appropriate by the relevant authorities not some busybody.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054829#Comment_122054829

Not acting - it's virtue signaling, accomplishing nothing.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054798#Comment_122054798

"Again ignoring Israel was firing rockets first in all this"

That's news. Israel's been firing rockets into Gaza since 2001?

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054672#Comment_122054672

Maybe Israel should leave if it cant get on with its neighbours? - Since we are throwing out stupid suggestions.

Or maybe Israel could treats her captives as equals, by captives I mean the Palestinian people she keeps locked up in Gaza and the others in the west bank who are treated as third class citizens at best, just before Israel decides to steal more land and give it to some fat American who wants to reconnect with their god - how holy of them. An unbelievably ironic group of land grabbing a-holes(Israelis' who agree and benefit with current policy NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE they are not the same) especially considering the history.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054964#Comment_122054964

The Postal workers will feel better by boycotting the Israeli mail.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122054867#Comment_122054867

Everyone has the right to strike if they have a union.

Weepsie

Well Israel fired rockets at Palestinian targets on 70s and 80s. "Preemptive" airstrikes how it gets framed by people tying themselves up to say violence and terror from one side is okay

Immediately prior to Hamas starting it's first rockets, the IDF fired approx 1 millions rounds.of munitions and Palestinians protesting in the gaza and the west bank. This was 1999/2000. So what point will we arbitrarily designate as the start of this, as it in reality goes back to well before the creation of the state of Israel when there were extreme Zionist groups fighting extreme groups of a Palestinians persuasion and the only common thing they had was a dislike of British rule.