Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

TheValeyard

https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-rockets-fired-into-israel-as-video-shows-palestinian-fighters-crossing-border-on-paragliders-12978797

Anniversary of the October war.

But I'm surprised by this. Surely this will mean the end of the Gaza Strip as we know it. The military resources of the Israelis are huge.

I do not know how Hamas are not expecting to get crushed. Maybe they feel its time to strike at Israel now, rather than suffer a slow death over years of Isarel taking piece after piece of land.

Either way, a lot of innocent people are going to die.

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MFPM

Ridiculously provocative by Hamas and a bit desperate as all acts of individual terror are but given the abject brutality of the IDF and their political masters against the Palestinians it's hardly a surprise.

The reaction from the Israelis will be swift and brutal I'd imagine and there'll be significant innocent casualties in the occupied areas.

The Israelis can act with impunity and with the full support of the US for their war crimes it's hardly surprising.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058317133/hamas-strike-on-israel

Israel will probably be blamed for this. They normally get blamed for everything while the Palestinians are never held to account.

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204247#Comment_121204247

How can somebody in Ireland take sides on this?

Unprovoked assaults on people in Dublin City.

Energy and food costs keep going up.

Does anybody in the Middle East really care what the average Joe in Ireland thinks?

Feel sorry for the people over there just trying to get on with their lives.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204247#Comment_121204247

The Palestinians have been pushed and pushed and treated like absolute sh1t by the IDF. Lands taken, home occupied. Settlements sprining up in their former areas.

Something like this was inevitable once peace became impossible.

Still think this was an incredibly bizarre move by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. I do not see any way they come out of this intact and we could end up now seeing the full incorporation of Gaza into the State of Israel.

I'd also add some of the footage out there is reportedly horrific and if true, Palestinians may loose any support they currently have.

nacho libre

If Hamas were a secular organisation this would not be happening. I say this because they must know this uprising will result in the most brutal crackdown every seen in this conflict to date. The currrent Israeli defence minister is the most hawkish they ever had. It would not surprise me if this time Israel go after the Hamas leadership abroad.

prunudo

Both sides reap what they sow. When Israel bulldoze homes and annex land they should expect attacks from Hamas. When Hamas fire 100s of rockets, they should expect a counter attack from the Idf.

The major hypocritical moral is the West speak out against a similar country, Russia, yet are to afraid to call out the Israelis.

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204271#Comment_121204271

I enjoy playing video games but life is not a video game real peoples lives get ended and ruined in these events.

kirk.

What do you mean the "end of the Gaza strip"

screamer

What a **** show. They’re wrong on all sides there, but the annexation of the Palestinian land years ago was the worst step. Of course, the international communities back Israel but that doesn’t mean what they do is right.

Risteard81

Hamas are correct to militarily engage the Zionist regime in Palestine. There is only Palestine, and Palestinians are brothers of the 32-County Irish and Basques.

NIMAN

Are Hamas able to target their rockets use?

Or is every one of them just landing randomly in Israel?

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204310#Comment_121204310

On paper I agree with you but this is real life innocent people are going to die.

People with young children and infants don't care about the politics of the situation.

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204327#Comment_121204327

People who had nothing to do with these rockets are going to be the ones to suffer the counter strike what a depressing world we live in.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204238#Comment_121204238

What about the war crimes of the Palestinians? Why should they get away with it too?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204284#Comment_121204284

I don't play video games anymore. I used to enjoy playing fifa soccer and street fighter. The one thing the Israeli Government and Hamas have in common is they don't care about ordinary Palestinian civilians, who will suffer the most in this yet again.

geographica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204247#Comment_121204247

I wonder why 🤔

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204340#Comment_121204340

Always the average Joe who gets it.

Sierra Oscar

This is a spectacular failure for Israeli secuirty and military intelligence. A large portion of the border seems to have been breached with Israeli security forces loosing control for a few hours. There will be major political fallout aside from the military reaction.

Longing

Absolutely degusting images of Hamas killing people on the streets entering home's and killing all inside also saw footage of killing of children. They will only have them selves to blame for what's coming.

Apparently some mosques in Jerusalem are advocating war against Israel.

https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1710553685841879360?t=zaVKSNe9s-GzMacsYkZ-Lw&s=19

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204310#Comment_121204310

What should happen to the non-Palestinian people in the region?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204310#Comment_121204310

That's easy to say from the sidelines. With this in mind no doubt the Hamas lads living in opulence in Qatar are egging on the leadership in Gaza

Maybe if their leadership abroad do get targeted they will experience what it is like for ordinary people in Gaza they encourage to be martyrs. I bet they won't be as gung ho for uprisings then.

They were using paramotors which is pretty crazy

NIMAN

I'm assuming Gaza is very closely watched, monitored?

Everything moving in and out searched?

If so, how do you manage to get 5000 rockets?

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204327#Comment_121204327

The people they sent in to kill civilians were a bit more targeted. Some horrific images online

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204338#Comment_121204338

They generally don't ever get called out. Only Israel.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204266#Comment_121204266

The leaks are utterly barbaric. They got far too cocky thinking they can get away with anything.

This was a step too far.

geographica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204366#Comment_121204366

And is this ok when the IDF do it?

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204405#Comment_121204405

Maybe they manufacture them

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204419#Comment_121204419

Many people fail to make the distinction between Palestinians and the Palestinian leadership.

The leadership, in Hamas, is no different to ISIS or Al Qaeda. Their barbaric actions today in Israel are consistent with that comparison.

However, many on the pro-Palestinian side are willing to ignore the nature of that leadership if it means "giving it to Israel" such is their absolute, uncompromising hatred of the state of Israel. That doesn't mean everything Israel does is right or justified. Very few people would claim that, but this one-sided hatred of Israel is what allows many people to casually ignore the destruction and deaths that has happened to Israelis today.

What's happening today in Israel simply cannot be justified, even if you are a supporter of Palestinian rights. Unfortunately from what I've seen on social media and elsewhere, there are plenty of people who are on the side of Hamas in this unjustified act of aggression.

Case in point on the casual acceptance:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204475#Comment_121204475

It's never okay.

And it's Hamas that's doing it. Do you condemn their act of war and barbarity today?