Deposit return scheme (recycling)

geographica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815640#Comment_121815640

Wexford the same, not even installed last week

kippy

If there's not extensive take up and engagement with the scheme the solution will be higher deposit fees. This will be an election issue no doubt.

Deebles McBeebles

Even if we put aside that recycling plastic is completely unsustainable, I wonder how long it will be until we find out these are all just going to landfill. Followed there by the RVMs which don't seem awfully recyclable themselves. I'm all for anything environmentally friendly but this scheme has so many issues and seems to punish people who were already doing the right thing because others couldn't be arsed.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815791#Comment_121815791

No need to make separate journey to recycle.

No need to wash the cans just make sure they are empty.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816049#Comment_121816049

No need to, but as shown above, machines not working leads to extra journeys.

Plus, if I'm storing cans inside in my house (kitchen) I'm going to ensure they are clean

You do you

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816095#Comment_121816095

I think most people will work in a visit to the RVM with some other trip IE. shopping.

If you want to store empties in the kitchen and wash them that's your choice.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816177#Comment_121816177

If you don't wash the cans then what's your choice for dealing with beer can dribbles?

appledrop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816177#Comment_121816177

Some of us like to walk to the shops and not drive all the time, imagine that might actually help the environment more than this madcap scheme.

I'm not dragging empties with me when I walk.

Yes I do drive when I do a big shop but as I mentioned I went to Tesco one evening and all the machines were out of order.

The whole scheme is an absolute joke, those of us who already recycled everything now have the head wrecking hassle of this new scheme and the ones who never recycled anyway are not going to bother with all the hassle.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816191#Comment_121816191

Keeping them upright in a small plastic crate with a cardboard insert as I outlined in another post some time ago.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816263#Comment_121816263

Yes walking is fine if you like to, but not practical with a lot of empties as you point out.

Like I said I believe most will fit recycling in with another errand.

If the machine is out of order it is of course a nuisance but if it happens to me I'll just bring the stuff back the next time I'm passing.

whisky_galore

Described on radio this morning as "people fighting with machines" then furiously dumping the rejected containers somewhere else. Another fiasco in the making.

appledrop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816393#Comment_121816393

Yeah, I recycled everything in my green bin before this but if I rocked up after dragging the empties there and the machine not working they would be going in the bin and then not getting recycled.

What's the point of that!

Oh that's before as most people have mentioned out bin charges will probably go up and bin companies not getting valuable aluminium anymore.

So pay more for our bins, more for our bottled water etc and for what!

beggars_bush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815903#Comment_121815903

Highly doubtful

Might just alter people's behavior

appledrop

https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2024/01/25/ireland-failed-to-keep-carincogens-out-of-water-supply-eu-court-rules/

Just posting this before someone comes in with the lecture about not using bottled water, yeah tell that to everyone affected in this article and that's only one issue, that's before you take into account all the areas with boil notices in place.

appledrop

Actually I'll tell you another way it's bad for environment, I have storage for glass bottles under sink aswell as for recycling and brown bin. Once it's full bring it to bottle bank.

But now I've had to divide it in half to fit in plastic bottles, because remember now they cant be damaged, so I'll be going to bottle bank twice as often now as it will fill up quicker, because of course the geniuses don't have bottle banks beside these new machines.

So that's another extra drive, but sure isn't this new scheme just great for the environment!!!!!

Of course I could be just like other people and F**k everything in my black bin and sure then I wouldn't need any bins under my sink just the black bin!

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816191#Comment_121816191

I'd recommend regular prostate exams.

Purple Mountain

If you get a voucher for say Dunnes, can it be redeemed in any Dunnes or has it to be the Dunnes you returned the bottles to?

I have yet to buy a bottle with a barcode, I buy packs of sparking water regularly. So haven’t had cause to attempt to use scheme yet. The shop I visit regularly enough with an RVM is Aldi in Nutgrove, have yet to see one person attempting to use the machine. However when I was queueing at the checkout I heard someone trying to get a voucher redeemed, it would not scan, poor lad at checkout beleaguered but customer said “not to worry, don’t want to hold up queue”.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816452#Comment_121816452

Some of our drinking water supplies are in a dreadful state and that problem needs to be sorted out asap.

The 5 litre bottles that a lot of people in the affected areas use do not have a deposit and can be recycled in the green bin.

TheChizler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815640#Comment_121815640

If you see this again and you're bothered you could ask them to perform a manual return. If they refuse you can complain to the council. The law says they must accept the containers and pay out immediately, it says nothing about machines, working or not. The fact the retailer chose to use machines and they're not working isn't your problem.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816317#Comment_121816317

As they say in Arrested Development.. thats how you get ants.

I had thoughts along similar lines but if you havent rinsed them wont they be a bit smelly and might attract wasps and other pests?

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815562#Comment_121815562

It would be a good question to ask Re-Turn, if such limitations on vouchers are allowed - also if vouchers are restricted to use in specific branches. (Someone posted earlier about an Aldi refusing to accept a voucher from a different branch of Aldi).

They have a chat function and when I used it they answered very quickly.

As I see it, if its supposed to be your own money you're getting back, there shouldn't be any limits imposed on the use of the vouchers like this.

I noticed a photo of a voucher posted by someone posted above, stated "subject to the terms and conditions of the Dunnes Stores deposit return scheme"

I thought it was the Deposit Return scheme. Not the Dunnes Stores Deposit Return Scheme.

Are we supposed to know if they are different for every supermarket, Dunnes, Aldi, Lidl, Supervalu, etc?

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815640#Comment_121815640

Those machines are definitely not wheelchair accessible.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816686#Comment_121816686

First off I'm notoriously thrifty so I don't leave much in the end of the cans.

Especially since MUP the contents have become too expensive to waste 🙂.

I've been storing empty cans in the garage since forever.

I keep them there beside the glass bottles because they all go to the civic amenity centre bins about every two months.

Never had a pest problem and never had to call Rentokill 🙂

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121815674#Comment_121815674

Id have more respect for Re-Turn if the website homepage had the scheme logo and in big lettering below:

"Just pay the deposits will ye or you can work for us for free. You might get all your own money back if you're lucky. Probably not though.

P.S. feck off"

At least then there'd be a bit of honesty about it instead of the insulting "its all for the environment" pretense.

Ezeoul

Not everyone has a garage to store empties in.

My empties are crushed and stored in my green bin.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816542#Comment_121816542

Better off just redeeming it at the same time as you bring your cans to be recycled. What's the point in taking a voucher away, having to keep track of it, and then using it somewhere else.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121816671#Comment_121816671

I'm sure the staff will be delighted at being asked to handle customers empties manually.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817095#Comment_121817095

You are right, everyone doesn't have a garage or even a shed to store empties.

But the DRS scheme is here and putting them in the green bin will cost you money.

There's no one size fits all solution so everyone needs to figure out their best option.

It may be a avoiding cans or plastic bottles as much as possible or coming up with storage and handling methods that suit their personal situation.

Ignoring DRS and carrying on as before will just leave consumers out of pocket.

Purple Mountain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817105#Comment_121817105

My preference would be to let them build up to say €50 rather than getting €2 off here and there.