Shannon LNG terminal plans rejected by ABP

15-09-2023 11:37am #1

Pretty disappointing news honestly if not surprising. I think an LNG terminal in Ireland would be ideal for energy security but of course Eamon Ryan has different ideas.

If only he’d share his alternatives..

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/shannon-lng-650m-liquefied-natural-gas-facility-to-be-rejected-by-an-bord-pleanala/a1564144302.html

Fred Cryton · 15-09-2023 11:41am

Eamon Ryan single handedly destroying this country with his anti car, anti-road, anti-LNG policies. He literally took the transport job in order to sabotage road building and the energy job in order to sabotage LNG. It's pernicious and evil when you think about. Him lurking there just stopping the country from operating and developing because of fantasy land ideas about how we should live that only exist in his head.

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2023 11:45am

As I said in the Greens thread, it is ridiculous that a party which received only 7% of the vote of those who bothered to turn out, have such control over key infrastructure in this State - infrastructure which they are ideologically opposed to developing or investing in.

This is what happens when you protest vote, or select ideologues and crusaders (McEntee is another one causing huge damage in Justice), rather than reality and realpolitik.

15-09-2023 11:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112697#Comment_121112697

Honest to God. I like to think that COVID, the Russian invasion etc would have sparked a desire within the government to become less dependent and more independent.

When Russia turned off the gas supply we had to run to the US & UK for LNG.. fcuking joke

BagofWeed · 15-09-2023 11:46am

Eamon again. This crazy fanatic has to be stopped. He represents a tiny tiny minority of people and us the majority are suffering because of him. The man is making a mockery of democracy. A tipping point is coming and I hope it's soon as the place is being driven into the ground by the useless shower of self serving clowns that are supposed to represent us.

15-09-2023 11:47am

Then you’ve a US firm dying to spend €650 MILLION to build an LNG terminal and all we had to do was tick the OK go ahead box, but god forbid.

Boggles · 15-09-2023 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058313880/shannon-lng-terminal-plans-rejected-by-abp

It wasn't Emaon Ryans decision.

An Bord Pleanála will in due course state the reasoning for it's rejection.

Fred Cryton · 15-09-2023 11:49am

Exactly it's not even Irish money, either public or private, at risk. It's outside money coming into the country. Could not be more of an open goal to just take their money and let them build away.

Big Ears · 15-09-2023 11:49am

Renewable options for energy are fantastic and of course where we should be putting a lot of our efforts.

However when we've low wind, solar energy isn't going to be enough to power this country, we need reserves of energy of some kind and gas makes the most sense.

This project would give us considerable energy security and it's extremely disheartening it hasn't got the go ahead.

What is the alternative answer for when renewables can't provide enough energy, rely on France's nuclear to fuel us ?

Allinall · 15-09-2023 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112697#Comment_121112697

Hang on a second.

Are you accusing Eamonn Ryan of having more influence over An Bord Pleanála than anyone else?

Fred Cryton · 15-09-2023 11:58am

Lads stop pretending this is ABP making this decision in isolation. They have to follow "government policy", and they mention that in their statement, which is basically whatever is inside Eamon Ryans skull.

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2023 12:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112724#Comment_121112724

And yet on the flip side we can spend a fortune and ignore planning completely to throw up modular housing, repurpose commercial buildings, and stick up tents everywhere!

Funny old country altogether!

Boggles · 15-09-2023 12:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112779#Comment_121112779

It's a little more nuanced than that.

LNG power stations are contrary to government policy, Leo coming out saying he is disappointed is typical Leo. Pretending he isn't part of governance.

The main part of the rejection appears to be the updated proposal is drastically different to the environmental impact report of the original proposal.

Basically they never updated their environmental impact.

Now this was either never done or done and not submitted for some reason.

Either way you are not going to get away with that.

Boggles · 15-09-2023 12:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112724#Comment_121112724

We did that for Data Centres and look where we are.

Ironically it's a big reason we need LNG.

plodder · 15-09-2023 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112736#Comment_121112736

Probably someone's lobster pot might be disturbed. Or the EIS didn't consider the possibility ...

Depressing really. I suppose, a bit like nuclear generated electricity. We won't do it ourselves but we're happy to import it from other countries.

The decision is linked from the RTE report. Seems the reason is mainly because of Eamon Ryan's energy review. That seems strange. Is there a precedent for refusing permission on that basis? Surely, decisions are generally made according to current policy, not potential future policy?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0915/1405455-lng/

Kermit.de.frog · 15-09-2023 12:33pm

Nothing short of sabotage of this country's energy security to appease a gaggle of crazy people.

antoinolachtnai · 15-09-2023 12:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112736#Comment_121112736

This is absolutely not true. The cost of this plant would be passed on to gas and electricity consumers.

ejmaztec · 15-09-2023 12:38pm

This must have been dragging on for about 20 years, albeit with different companies trying to get it set up, and one of them walking away and giving it up as a bad job. I think the original plan was agreed by ABP years ago, and it was the Government that was dragging its heels over it, expecting to get more money from the applicant to pay towards some infrastructure or other. What a mess.

Boggles · 15-09-2023 12:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112958#Comment_121112958

Ah no, an American Investment company wouldn't be looking for a return, you are mistaken.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-09-2023 12:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112958#Comment_121112958

If a geopolitical crisis emerges in the decades ahead every person in this country will pay a dreadful price for ideological bs.

We are leaving ourselves hopelessly reliant on the kindness of strangers.

It's all hypocrisy of course. Ryan signing an agreement with the Brits on gas supply this week whilst simultaneously telling us we can't explore our own waters for resources.

This is national security of energy supply that we are dangerously outsourcing to everyone else.

Agreements or no agreements the taps will be turned off if they need to be when the energy security of the donor countries is at risk.

That is the position we are being put in.

plodder · 15-09-2023 12:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112958#Comment_121112958

It's perfectly possible (and normal) for a new entrant to a market to result in lower prices for consumers. What's complicated here is that this would be competing against the state (ie the tax payer). But, it isn't just about competition and prices. When the gas fields run out, we will be importing all of our gas and we need as many different sources of it as possible.

plodder · 15-09-2023 1:04pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2023/09/15/planning-board-refuses-permission-for-650m-shannon-lng-terminal/

Though it wasn't the lobsters after all. It's the dolphins and an absence of precise detail about "piling"

In a note to its decision on Friday, the board said it had concerns about an “absence of precise detail” in relation to piling and “a full clear assessment of all potential acoustic impacts on the natural condition of critical bottlenose dolphin habitat” and how the terminal would impact their behaviour.