Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458061#Comment_122458061

That doesn't answer the question I asked

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458065#Comment_122458065

In what is the end user inducing sky to provide a service?

irishgeo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459218#Comment_122459218

Its not sky it's the iptv operator.

irishgeo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459207#Comment_122459207

Username linked to IP. ISP have a record of which customer has used an IP. Billing details given to gardai. It's not rocket science.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459218#Comment_122459218

The IPTV operator not Sky.

Homer

anyone that thinks that the guards/sky/government will go after end users is clearly a bit simple.. they have only ever targeted the resellers. Mine is out of the jurisdiction as are the servers. It’s a game of whack-a-mole that the providers keep winning. They would be prosecuting themselves as a large proportion of the serving guards I know are all users of IPTV lol

irishgeo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459279#Comment_122459279

The end users who are out there and think they can't be caught are the simple ones. As said it's unlikely but it could happen.

They don't need to prosecute everyone. Who knows they might shutdown a fly by night service who hast taken security precautions and go after them to scare other people off IPTV.

The current garda commissioner is not afraid to prosecute gardai.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Prosecuting individual users is a scare tactic, sure they might catch the odd person but personally I wouldn't be bothered. It's the resellers they want.

dubrov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459245#Comment_122459245

Stream is linked to VPN IP though. Any VPN with any sort of reputation has external audits to verify no logs are kept.

Do you work for Sky?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459241#Comment_122459241

That makes even less sense. You think the end user is obtaining services from the iptv operator by deception?

irishgeo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459661#Comment_122459661

The IPTV operator is obtaining the services by deception.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459480#Comment_122459480

You belive that really don't they keep any logs. That's until law enforcement come looking.

Enron had audits, Quinn Insurance had audits. The FAI had audits. Auditors are paid to tell what you want to hear and can only audit what they are shown.

VPN connections and fail all sorts of real reason possibly leaking your IP.

Its all well and good for the super technical but if the normal Joe soap isn't using a VPN or know it's failed. So perhaps they are the users who are picked up for prosecution.

I don't work for Sky.

My last point in this , you may think you are untreaceable on the Web, I have news for you your not.

Homer

relax there Liam Neeson 🤣

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459713#Comment_122459713

I asked what crime the end user has committed. So far you have failed to answer that.

Johnboy1951

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457474#Comment_122457474

As far as I am aware there is no such thing as 'theft of service' in relation to this subject. 'Theft' implies depriving someone of the item that is stolen. No one with a dodgy box steals the service as it remains available to others.
The use of such streams would be under different legislation.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459279#Comment_122459279

You are not the first on the thread who knows several Gardai doing this. How did you find out?

Johnboy1951

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458065#Comment_122458065

As the dodgy box user pays the provider for the service they receive, there is no theft or fraud between the two parties, which is clearly what this legislation is designed to cover.

7.—(1) A person who dishonestly, with the intention of making a gain for himself or herself or another, or of causing loss to another, by any deception obtains services from another is guilty of an offence.

(my emphasis)

John arse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459782#Comment_122459782

Would they kill you when they find you though??????😝

Homer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460123#Comment_122460123

I actually know the guards personally and from talking to them it would appear to be fairly common in the force.

NATLOR

Hi freeloading scum here and been so for 15 years 😇

Had my broadband upgraded recently and the Vodafone engineer was that impressed with my set up that he also became a freeloading scum 😁

This thread is comedy gold keep it going lads 👍

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460161#Comment_122460161

Any Sergeants or Inspectors? This could be the next big scandal up there with the Penalty Points. Very serious stuff when Gardai are paying over money to criminal gangs.

Homer

That would be an ecumenical matter father

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460183#Comment_122460183

I'll shake hands with you. Unite the freeloading scum clans! Got 500Mb in myself a couple months ago. 4k HDR sports and movies flying now better than ever on my TOX3 box.

Visited my non techy neighbour who needed some help casting to his projector a few weeks back. Low and behold he has the same package as me on firestick! Oh how we laughed! Small world! 🤣

irishgeo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460191#Comment_122460191

Yeah its all joking matter here though.

With people who are lawyers, IT Specialists and TV rights experts and know better than anyone else.

You shouldn't argue with idiots as they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459362#Comment_122459362

They don't need to prosecute everyone. Who knows they might shutdown a fly by night service who hast taken security precautions and go after them to scare other people off IPTV.

The lack of action by broadcasters is probably an indication that illegal IPTV streaming is not that much of a problem for them.

The last rights deal, even though the EPL made some small changes that could be viewed as a reaction to illegal streaming was not the sale as some thought it might be.

Plus Sky subscription numbers are actually going up in the last few years.

I have a regular Sky subscription and last year I paid E15 a month on Now for Sky Sports during the EPL season.

This year I'm thinking of getting a dodgy box for the sports, but I'll still keep the Sky subscription.

I'll get more sports for cheaper that way.

So if you take me as an example Sky are only losing my E15 a month Now subscription, which they were giving me at a discount anyway.

So by me getting a dodgy box they will lose feck all.

The mass exedous from Sky subscriptions to dodgy boxes is still a long way away.

jj880

There is a big cohort that are afraid of prosecution so stick with Sky, Now etc.

Have to agree with the above. Its far from a rampant IPTV takeover of the nation from what Ive seen in my area. The legit providers are still making plenty from those who are not prepared to make the jump to IPTV (yet).

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460512#Comment_122460512

The problem of moving away from Sky in Ireland is that the alternative (legal) route is relatively messy.

You need a antenna for RITE/Virgin Media, and a satellite for everything else.

You need a box that will take both and then a HDD etc for recording.

Sky has all that in a very functional box and has been offering that service for decades.

People aren't afraid of prosecutions, they are afraid of getting all their TV from a service that could go dark at any moment and that they have zero customer rights if it does.

dubrov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459713#Comment_122459713

Yes I believe they don't keep logs because they are incentivised not to do so. If it leaked logs were being kept, bye bye business. Plus storage costs. These are companies with a global infrastructure and aren't subject to any one law enforce.

Vpns can fail but that results in a failed connection, not a leak. I didn't even know what a VPN leak is.

Of course, if the incentive was there, law enforcement could eventually seize certain VPN servers, get your IP from the logs, link it to you via an ISP and then try and prove in a court of law that you bought a service knowing it streamed pirated content. Copyright holders have long abandoned this course of action due to cost and low probability of success.

dxhound2005

If every Garda station has a "large proportion" of members paying organised crime gangs for cheap TV, there is every possibility of this thing blowing up on them. Especially as some of them seem to be loudmouths who can't keep their crime spree to themselves. Some falling out between members in a station could prompt an aggrieved party to turn into a revenge seeking "whistle blower". Cue a Maurice McCabe type scandal, and GSOC having a field day. It was fairly low level stuff that eventually led to the resignation of the Minister for Justice and the Garda Commissioner.

"Maurice McCabe was a Garda Sergeant, who came to national attention as a whistleblower on corruption within the Garda Síochána, Ireland's national police force. During the early 2000s, he served as sergeant-in-charge at the Garda station in Bailieborough, County Cavan. McCabe had expressed a number of concerns during his time as station sergeant. Incidents included off-duty Gardaí attempting to deal with a suicide situation, gardaí making use of unmarked Garda vehicles while off duty, and issues regarding the number of hours gardaí were actually working. McCabe lodged multiple complaints about slipping police standards in Bailieborough and the lack of initiative of several gardaí."

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460919#Comment_122460919

Only 2 weeks ago I was talking to someone who wouldn't get a "dodgy box" for fear of illegality. Now he was around my age and not a technophobe by any means. Id wager the older you go the more you would see your scenario. As for rights Id say rights v cost is the obvious balance. 2 years now for me so far with maybe a couple days downtime. If my provider disappeared in the morning Id chance another. All guesswork of course. Not like we can point to some stats / surveys to back up our surmising.

Sultan of Bling

Watching the Olympics on RTE on my fire stick.

I was watching on the rte player but it kept buffering and the picture is sh1t.

Working perfectly on the fire stick.

I have to pay rte a licence fee to watch their crap player that never works properly, never mind financing their barter payments they pay to some of their staff.

Freeloading scum.

jj880

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461256#Comment_122461256

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/rte-sent-dozens-of-132-boxes-of-macarons-to-advertisers-on-same-day-as-725m-public-bailout/a1387442378.html

Each macaron had an RTÉ logo imprinted on the shell. They were sent out on Wednesday, while the Coalition was signing off on an unprecedented three-year multi-annual public funding of €725m.

The €160 TV licence for every household was also retained.

The anecdote about the queen of France during the French revolution is cited as an example of an elite being oblivious of the daily lives of ordinary people.

RTÉ says the timing of the gifts had “no connection to the funding announcement” and was a “thank you for your support of RTÉ’s Olympics coverage”.

Remember RTÉ are socially acceptable freeloading scum. Social contract and laws are for us mugs.