NCT Car can't be driven.

Bettyboop

Went for NCT major fails. Should I repair or scrap?

It's a 2006 Yaris

User1998

It would only be worth saving if you know a really cheap mechanic. It probably needs a good bit of welding and a new catalytic converter at the very least.

If you do end up wanting to scrap it, please PM me and I will most likely buy it for more than what a scrapyard will give you.

Bettyboop

Just had a whole new exhaust fitted and 4 brand new tyres and a valet . How none of the damage was noticed is beyond me.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029910#Comment_121029910

The general consensus with old cars would be to throw the car in for the NCT first, let them tell you what work needs to be done.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029910#Comment_121029910

Did the ‘whole new exhaust’ include a catalytic converter? If so it will be very hard to make it pass an NCT.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029932#Comment_121029932

You'd check tyres wouldn't you

What happens if you fail dangerous on tyres

You'd have to tow it I assume

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121030480#Comment_121030480

OP failed dangerously on rust so should have towed it away from the centre. Obviously nobody does this tho.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121030523#Comment_121030523

Ah Ok I thought they slapped some huge sticker on the windscreen and notified the gards

Not insured though I assume , car unroadworthy and failed dangerous

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121030533#Comment_121030533

It was no worse leaving than it was getting there. And often driven dangerously for last few thousand Kms since it was due its last service.

Ideally they would impound dangerous cars but that's beyond them.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121030637#Comment_121030637

How could they impound anything

Customer would have a legal right to tow-truck it away at a minimum as he owns it

Wanderer78

driven my car with the bold boy sticker on the window, was trying slicks out for a while, wouldnt recommend them, straight to the tyre garage, job done....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121030533#Comment_121030533

They do slap a big sticker on the front window - usually in the eyeline of the driver. They don't notify the gardai because no offence has taken place - it's not an offence to fail an NCT. It's an offence to drive said car on the road but that's the purpose of the big sticker, to make you easily identifiable.

And definitely not insured lol. If the Gardai catch you or you have an accident, you're fucked.

User1998

You just take the sticker off the window and drive off, its not up to the NCT to enforce the law.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058310952/nct-car-cant-be-driven

My instinct is scrap, but first try to get a few repair quotes

If the repair costs €3k for example, and you can find a decent enough car for less than that, then getting a newer car is probably the better option

Try to get something that's a recent NCT pass, otherwise you'll be back to square one in a few months

You can ring around a few car scrappage places to see what they'll give you, but I reckon you'll probably be offered €250-300 for the car in its current state

You could sell the car privately, there's several garages offering scrappage deals against new cars at the moment. Customers will sometimes but a car for a few hundred then get the scrappage deal worth thousands off a new car

So there is a market there and you could get a bit more than the scrapyard is offering. As long as you're upfront about the state of the car then you're grand

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121029910#Comment_121029910

Sorry that this happened to you. It’s not ideal, but a near 20 year old Yaris really isn’t worth putting any money into. Used car prices have dropped in the last few months so you should be able to get something else. It’s a pity you’re out of pocket for the tyres and exhaust, it’s a tough situation but you’ll just have to write that money off.

selectamatic

NCT lads would be under the car poking and prodding away to bate the band with a screwdriver or something similar so they often uncover a hole/weak point that would go unnoticed by someone who'd be fitting a section of exhaust etc.

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121031608#Comment_121031608

as far as I’m aware the NCT testers don’t touch anything under a car, I don’t think they’re allowed use screwdrivers or any other tool, everything is visual.

This explains the ‘corroded brake lines’ racket when a bit of dirt is described as ‘advanced corrosion’ . I failed on this and a mechanic told me he had to replace a good as new brake line because of this scam, happens all the time he told me too.

muckwarrior

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121031687#Comment_121031687

Not true. I witnessed the tester attacking my sills with a large screwdriver like he was Norman Bates. He left a sizeable hole in it.

Bettyboop

Thanks for that response appreciated. I am lost now as I am disabled and currently in remission from breast cancer so I will be stuck in house for a while. I think scrap is the only option for me now. I only had car serviced 6 MTHS ago and new brake pads discs and drums fitted also. So I won't spend anymore on a car I won't feel safe in even if it is repaired.

Bettyboop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121031587#Comment_121031587

Thanks for that response appreciated. I am lost now as I am disabled and currently in remission from breast cancer so I will be stuck in house for a while. I think scrap is the only option for me now. I only had car serviced 6 MTHS ago and new brake pads discs and drums fitted also. So I won't spend anymore on a car I won't feel safe in even if it is repaired.

Buffman

Ye, that's probably beyond econimic repair unless you're DIYing it. I'd throw it up on Donedeal/Adverts for a few 100 listing all the recent work and let it off, chances are you'd get more doing that than scrap value.

Cut your losses and put any money you'd spend on repairs towards another car.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121031774#Comment_121031774

Who did the service? The tyre and exhaust place would not be looking for issues so have no responsibility for the fail dangerous. But the garage that serviced your car should have spotted the issues and at least highlighted them, extensive corrosion doesn't happen in 6 months. I'd be looking at going legal on the garage that "serviced" your car as you've been driving a dangerous and most likely uninsured car for 6 months, at least get the cost of the "service" back from the small claims court.

Squatman

it all depends on the level of rust to be honest. one hole in anything is enough to fail, and is regarded as Extensive corrosion. depending on extent and accessabiluty, it could be a very quick and cheap repair at a local independent. Not so sure on the 02, could be a MAF sensor or similar, especially if you have had a full exhaust system incl. catalytic converter

User1998

Generally speaking with these Yaris they get to 06/07/08 they usually fail on rust and emissions. Its never just a sensor its always the catalytic converter and exhaust leaks.

The problem is a cheap Chinese catalytic converter usually isn’t enough to pass an NCT and will usually give you an engine warning light too. And a genuine Toyota catalytic converter is just way too expensive.

Bettyboop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036668#Comment_121036668

Thanks for replying. I thought the garage should have spotted the problems too.

Bettyboop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036696#Comment_121036696

NCT guy showed me pictures from his phone, 4 different photos. I was horrified tbh it's extensive,only have the car a year

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037037#Comment_121037037

Did you buy private or from a dealer? If from a dealer bring it back and demand your money back as they sold you a dangerously defective vehicle.

Long Sean Silver

i got the same a couple of years back, as my tyres were as bald as a babies' .....

The NCT people are covering themselves in case there is an accident, and you or somebody else comes after them, saying you allowed me to drive a dangerously defective vehicle and now look what's happened! Ireland is a very litigious place.

I drove my car home, and then got the tyres changed. Brought it back for retest and all was good.

Mind you I am NOT advising you to do that, as to knowingly drive a dangerously defective vehicle is potentially deadly & WRONG! If you do so, then let it be at your own risk.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037795#Comment_121037795

Not true at all. Car had a valid NCT at the time of sale and was deemed roadworthy.

OP can’t prove the car was defective at the time of sale.

Bettyboop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037852#Comment_121037852

Wouldn't dare drive it, it has been towed to a garage will know the outcome tomorrow

spaceHopper

Google "nct welding repairs" get a price for the Job but ask them to check what else might need welding for the next test. That will guide you.

The emissions could be a bigger problem, you got the exhaust replaced, is there a catalytic filer or was it chopped out. They aren't cheap.

My rule of thumb is that it's worth it if you keep the car 6 months and the cost of the work is less than the cost of 6 months repayments if you bought another car.

From the sound of it you should be shopping for a new car.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121038614#Comment_121038614

Extensive corrosion takes longer than 6 months to develop and then there is corruption in the NCT.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039567#Comment_121039567

’Corruption’ in the NCT will not hold up in court

selectamatic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121031687#Comment_121031687

They're most definitely allowed touch the underside of the car.

I have seen people say before that they are technically only allowed investigate corrosion with a "blunt" edge but screwdrivers or small little pry bars are used. These can also be used to leverage parts of the suspension to ascertain wear.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039571#Comment_121039571

Unless a car is regularly driven on a beach, or some other salty environment, it's not going to go from passing the NCT to fail dangerous for extensive corrosion in a year.

The OP was sold a dangerously defective car and anyone trying to defend the dealer is as guilty as the dealer.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039977#Comment_121039977

Relax, it hasn’t even been confirmed if it was bought from a dealer or not😂

selectamatic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039977#Comment_121039977

Of course it could. A year is a long time in a damp climate. "Extensive corrosion" is basically the point at which the testers can poke a hole. It's entirely possible the afflicted area was just strong enough to withstand the prodding last year whereas this year it wasn't.

The nct also tend to focus on known weak areas of cars as soon as these areas start to present with failures.

MK2 avensis and gen8 civic rear subframes being good recent examples. Tester's realised these were becoming known weak points so they began to afford them a more detailed look during the test.

Lenar3556

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121039977#Comment_121039977

Poor advice

What dealer? She didn’t even say where she bought it.

It’s 17 years old, and there is no evidence that it was ‘dangerously defective’ when she bought it. On the contrary it held a current NCT at that time.

There is now some structural corrosion, which she can have repaired or get rid of the car.