Dublin residences under airport flight paths; negligence on behalf of airport, Irish transport, who?

All I can say is my heart goes out to the affected:

https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1683560685995802625?s=20

As I understand, the airport has updated flight paths and now flights travel over residential areas with a number of houses effected.

In my opinion, whomever is responsible, be it airlines, the airport itself, Irish transport (who must have authorized the change), should simply foot the bill for rehousing the affected, or reconfigure the situation to alleviate this burden.

Can you imagine living there?

Having to wear ear plugs, suffering anxiety, you children suffering anxiety.

Straight up negligence and deserving of more media coverage.

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I know I know, war in Ukraine, many worse situations but as anyone who has experienced it can relate, that kind of noise invasiveness is crippling and action to correct the issue should be taken immediately (part of which will involve enough media coverage such to compel the negligent parties to review their error).

suvigirl

But flight paths always went over residential areas. Ask anyone living in portmarnock.

I imagine it could be hard to get used to, at first, but after a while you don't even notice them. I used to have a railway line at the bottom of the garden, after a few days you don't hear the trains.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120895732#Comment_120895732

This article specifies that since the beginning of this month, residences which formerly had no disturbance, now have intolerable, deafening disturbance.

Never lived in Portmarnock, no idea the degree of noise pollution but based on the name alone, I doubt it's something locals would complain about.

This article was obviously raised due to the degree of interference, and there's actually a video segment with a resident where the plane flies over head, and she literally cannot be heard, it's that extreme;

Tolerating that from 6 am to 11 pm every day..........

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058306426/dublin-residences-under-airport-flight-paths-negligence-on-behalf-of-airport-irish-transport-who

a lot of these poor souls live in the most exclusive neighborhoods (expensive) in Ireland. Where do you think they'll want to be rehoused?

Newstalk click/engagement baiting.... zzzzzzzzzzzz

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120895915#Comment_120895915

I live in the area... it's rarely anywhere near as bad as painted out by some people to be.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120895915#Comment_120895915

I know people who grew up under the airport flight paths and I know people who moved close to the airport. The people who grew up never noticed the aircraft flying over, any visitors would be constantly looking up. The people who moved close to the airport didn't notice after a few days, again any visitors would notice the noise.

These people are trying to scam the airport for more money and a click bait journalist needs a story. The same aircraft have been flying over other people's homes for years with no issues.

Frank Bullitt

So if you hear a plane overhead, you should be allowed to be rehoused? That sounds deadly, and a very workable solution.

sameoldname

I really have to question where exactly that video was filmed because I doubt it's the village mentioned in the article, Kilsallaghan which looks to be about 5km at least from the end of the runway. From how low those planes are in the video I'd say it was probably filmed near St. Margarets GAA Club which is less than a kilometer from the end of the north runway. Maybe I'm wrong though.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120895915#Comment_120895915

How.do you mean 'based on the name alone'?

flights have always gone over portmarnock, and no they don't complain, why would they?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896009#Comment_120896009

Lived under a flightpath near Shannon and yeah you can hear it but as you say you tune it out, only really noticed again for a while after 9/11.

At best IMHO sounds like a light sleeper with their window open in the summer just being a crank.

L1011

The IAA updates the flight paths, not the airport. The most recent change has moved them closer to what was in the original noise profiling, e.g. the places that were always going to be hit with noise.

Many of those complaining knew they were going to be under flight paths, or just ignored everything about it. The north runway has been planned for about SIXTY YEARS, so the number of people legitimately unaware of it before they moved there is miniscule.

LOUD NOISES…

if you don’t like the noise, move. What else should we move people for? Annoying neighbours?

I lived next to a field before and the smell of shite when they’d spread the slurry was violent. Maybe I should seek compensation and a new gaff.

Kermit.de.frog

New runway was planned for 60 years. The land was bought for it 60 years a go. Every single person living near the airport or under the new flight paths knew full well what was planned and many bought houses in the near environs knowing it anyway.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw&pp=ygUMTGV0IGVtIGNyYXNo

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896239#Comment_120896239

shoulda been out there testing cotton swabs off your roof tiles for bovine fecal matter

LambshankRedemption

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896239#Comment_120896239

I live next to a field which my father used to call the matrenity ward. Any cow that was due to go into labour is put into it, and they can moo all night before they give birth.

Which TD do I write to to get compensation and a new gaff?

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896044#Comment_120896044

You are bang on the money.

The lady in the video has been in the media numerous times in the past year. She is a resident of St Margarets, not Kilsallaghan. St Margarets is literally right at the end of the runways.

Moving to St Margarets and claiming surprise at the noise from an airport? I'm not buying it. North runway or no north runway, you're going to hear planes.

I am curious if her research before buying her house involved looking at a map.

prunudo

Why do the media entertain these types of people in this country. As kermit says, the runway has been planned for 60 years, anyone who bought at house with 10km should have done their homework. No sympathy what so ever.

This all kicked off at the start of this month.

Obviously some changes came into effect that are effecting residencies where they formerly had not.

What about that is challenging to understand?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896512#Comment_120896512

facepalm

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvE4vVOteGw/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=d4b9a93b-806f-4d86-a485-10ceaf886fe1

The video clearly outlines they did their research.

They were not meant to be under a flight path, but that changed without notice.

Listen to the noise in that video and tell me you'd get "accustomed".

Denialism is real.

timetogo1

When I was growing up in Swords near the golf club the windows used to rattle occasionally for some flights (this was 45 years ago).

We didn't know we could get compo :)

On the plus side I sleep like a rock.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896478#Comment_120896478

You do understand the difference between "hearing planes" and "being deafened by planes".

What is it with the victim blaming in this thread?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896239#Comment_120896239

"Move".

lolwut?

Yeah it's just that simple, move from a rented premises.

Never mind a purchased premises.

It's not like they're in mobile homes and can just "move" to the next halting site.

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And Irelands policy of addressing noisy neighbours also is nothing short of deplorable and DESTROY's home lives for decent folk.

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This thread feels like we've been transported back to the "God fearing" early 1900's and basic cognitive function and environmental awareness is condemned as being witch craft.

From comments:

DAA got planning permission for North runway based on westward takeoffs going straight out until altitude of 3.000 ft. However aircraft turning north west at 650ft.

Terrible. They should be forced to stick to the planned and agreed flight paths.

This country needs to enforce rules. I’m sure they would enforce if all the neighbours decided to get drones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896512#Comment_120896512

.d

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896539#Comment_120896539

Facepalm back at you! if you live near the airport, especially to the east or west of runways you're going to get over flights and noise, deal with it or jog on.

It's an International Airport. Tough ****.

It could become a major connection hub yet aswell. Will only get busier. Margarets could even be CPO'd some day.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896819#Comment_120896819

What about climate change?

The government tell us it’s an emergency.

bartkingcole

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896838#Comment_120896838

You are right. It is an emergency but if they closed the airport the same people would object to planning permission for housing on the basis that it was designated as an airport.

TokTik

Tough. Live near an airport, your gonna hear airplanes.

Viscount Aggro

There was a group of families who were moved, during construction of the new runway. They were rehoused and well compensated.

bikeman1

What has really ramped this up for these residents is that since the 4/7/2023 the operating hours of the North runway have been extended to, wait for it, the hours permitted under the original planning permission granted (years and years ago). This means flights are departing from 07:00 - 23:00 and many days departing out to the West (our prevailing winds).

I live on the other side of the airport and we have had aviation noise since day 1 and continue to have. Practically the whole belt from Howth, Sutton, Portmarnock, Clongriffin, Balgriffin, The Baskin, Darndale, Santry, Ballymun North, Finglas North, Blanchardstown, Tyrrlestown have and always have aviation noise. Completely normal and fine when you live beside the major international airport and live on an island of 7 million people who need to get on and off said island at various stages during the year.

The new set up is actually better for a greater part of the population of Dublin. Why? Because the departure routing takes aircraft over lightly populated, mainly farmland in North County Dublin. People were always going to moan, that's fine. They should do their research and be ignored.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896208#Comment_120896208

in fairness, in portmarnock with the prevailing winds the way they are, planes are usually on approach to the airport as they pass over, not taking off. there's a noticeable difference in engine noise.

my wife has a horse in a yard near kilsallaghan. it's common enough for a plane passing overhead to be loud enough as to stop a conversation briefly. the horses don't seem to mind though.

MrVestek

Person buying housing near airport outraged at airplane noise. Shocking.

A completely unprecedented thing to have happened.

Beta Ray Bill

Just set up a system where the planes are penalised by the amount of noise they make. The amount of pilots that boot down the runway at 100% is ridiculous. 60% is more than enough to get airborne.

Climb a few thousand meters and then 100%.

Have you ever noticed that some planes are way louder than others despite them being the same or very similar model of plane.

Pilots are the biggest messers out there, everyone knows that.

greencap

I dont live under a flightpath, but know the experience well. I think some people here arent appreciating the continuous conveyor-belt fashion the noise occurs in.

Its not intermittant noise from time to time intersperced with silence, but rather low level noise followed by high level noise followed by low, high, low. There is no break. Just for those who havent lived it.

And depending where you are this can go on for hours.

So yes, needs of the many and all that, but its easy to say that when the issue is someone elses. I have no solution to offer them, move if you can, i guess. Im not taking sides, but i do note that if youre on the wrong side of something in this country then youre fcked and can expect no mercy.

Dr Turk Turkelton

I think this is the sort of post @Sugar_Rush was looking for:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898017#Comment_120898017

Well, at least there's some appreciation of the situation.

The run way was given planning permission based on predetermined flight paths;

Which they have now reconfigured to the detriment of residents.

The IAA is clearly accountable.

I grew up in Portmarnock and my house was right under the flight path. You do become accustomed to the sound even when you are a child.

This was even before double glazed windows common.

DownByTheGarden

I cycle out that way a couple of days a week. It takes me 10 or 15 minutes to get along that road from Kilsallaghan (the townland is called Kilsallaghan. Kilsallaghan is not just the village) up past the airport.

In that time a lot of days there would be 3 or so planes taking off.

I lived in Swords years ago and you would hear planes all the time but they didnt seem too loud and you got used to them, but my God, when planes take off and you are cycling long that road it would literally be shaking you with the noise of them. Imagine every time you go out in the garden getting your very bones shook by the noise. I would never live anywhere near there and I have a high tolerance for noise. If I was to compare it to any sound id say the loudness when you are right up beside the speaker at a concert would be close. You know when you can feel the vibrations of the bass in your chest.

Dr Turk Turkelton

When I lived in New York I lived beside the BQE which was constant noise 24/7.

You know who I complained to- that's right- nobody. Because I chose to live beside it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120896544#Comment_120896544

You're the NIMBY woman in the video aren't you?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898009#Comment_120898009

You take off with the requisite amount of power to take off safely, no more no less. So there's absolutely nothing that can be changed there.

Charging based on the noise profile of the aircraft is done elsewhere and will likely be part of the package of discounts for lower emission aircraft (which are generally, but not inherently, quieter) that is coming in

Dr Turk Turkelton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898252#Comment_120898252

In this case would Dublin Airport not be the NIMBY as it was there before the people moved to the houses?

As in it was the airports backyard first.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898296#Comment_120898296

i'd be curious to see a source for that 60% claim made. from some reading, 85-90% seems more likely.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898203#Comment_120898203

i mentioned this to my wife - as mentioned, she's got a horse in a yard, address is in kilsallaghan townland. according to google maps, it's 5.5km from the end of the new runway and 6.7km from the end of the original one. she says the noise level is much higher than another yard she's been to quite a few times - at the kinsealy end of baskin lane - which is 'only' 4.25km from the end of the original runway. as i remarked above, the difference whether you're on an approach path or takeoff path is huge.

o1s1n

From the article:

'"Like many people that would have moved to this area in recent years, we had absolutely no idea that this was going to be the case.

"We did know what the planning conditions were, where flight paths were meant to be and were advertised to be in accordance with the new North Runway.

"We were obviously under the impression that we would never be under a flight path. We knew we were going to be in the vicinity of planes, but not have them flying over our home.

"We would never have chosen to live under a flight path."'

Sounds like someone didn't do their due diligence when moving to this area, the information was all available beforehand if they'd bothered to look.

Beta Ray Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898352#Comment_120898352

It's called "Reduced Thrust Takeoff" and it's definitely a thing. The recommendation from the manufacturers is approx 60% but altitude and air pressure will sway that. The engines on modern airliners are extremely powerful.

RTT reduces fuel usage, reduces maintenance costs and noise.

But there is nothing to actually stop a pilot giving it the beans down the runway the odd time.

bikeman1

In the month of June, with the fine weather, all the departures for a large part of the month were to the East. Straight out over a far more populated area than the Westerly departures off the North runway. Where was Newstalk or all these people interviewing the poor people of Kinsealy or Clongriffin or Portmarnock complaining.

They weren't because airports have planes and planes take off and land and make noise. That's a fact.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120898009#Comment_120898009

Well no, depends on temperatures, headwind, weight of aircraft and lot of other factors before becoming airborne. Heavier aircraft needs more power.

bucketybuck

After they have finished shutting down the airport, can we close the M50 as well? The noise of all those cars is very upsetting and I don't want to hear it.