Best Electricity/Feed in Tariff for 3 Phase/Smart Meter

graememk

Possibly it would follow the same pattern as the single phase meters.

Do the 24 hr 3 phase ones first, then move to the DN 3 phase.

GreeBo

I also got a letter from them regarding rolling out Smart Meter to my domestic 3 phase last week!

blobert

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123682798#Comment_123682798

Thanks, did they say they were going to do it soon?

What area are you in and did you register with them as wanting to get this?

kevin.m

TLI contacted us today, and we are getting our 24hr 3ph rotary meter replaced with a smart meter on August 22nd. This is a commercial building with NC6 solar. No mention of the other building in the same estate (Rotary D/N and no solar).

blobert

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123714001#Comment_123714001

Thanks for that, I got an letter from from ESB about it and phoned Cirnet who will be doing the meters.

They were pretty vague, they reckon the'll be starting them in Sept and were unclear as to when I'd be getting one>

Hopefully not too long!

kevin.m

Instal took about 45 minutes. They had a tail upgrade between the head and meter down as part of the job. He couldn’t do it though as the screws on the head were rounded when the original install was done. So the ESB will have to come and replace the head.

blobert

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123753591#Comment_123753591

Thanks, so that is the 3 phase smart meter they are using?

I'm annoyed as I got a letter from Circet about replacing our day/night 3 phase with a smart one last month, have been trying to get smart meter for several years.

I couldn't make an appointment with their system and when I rang them they were vague about when it would happen.

I've been contacting them every week for the past few weeks to hassle them and they have no changed to saying "we have no meters in stock, but soon as we do we'll get back to you"

Seems a bit unlikely they'd start doing this and immediately run out of stock! You would have thought they'd be planning ahead if they were going to need hundreds/thousands of them.

Let me know if anyone else has actually got one installed in recent weeks

Thanks

kevin.m

The MIC at that meter is 29kVa, so I assume they will use the same meter on 29kVa domestic.

The unit next door has also been done, 15kVa MIC 3ph, NC6 solar.

Still nothing on our other unit with rotary D/N meter, 3ph, and no solar.

blobert

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123839810#Comment_123839810

Thanks Kevin,

After further prompting they seem to have found some meters and now will do the install on Wednesday this week which is great.

Have to work out what provider is best now to sign up with. Seems like a lot of the companies have put their prices up and some lowered FITs in recent weeks.

blobert

Just as a follow up I now have my 3 phase meter finally(!) installed and am looking to pick the best suited plan.

While I was initially drawn to the providers with 3/4 hour EV low rates at night I think these might not actually be best. There seems to be some limitations with my 60kw of batteries where I can't charge them that fast, I was hoping to be able to charge them in 3 hours at 20kw an hour but it looks like I can only manage about 9kw an hour.

So I think a system where I try to blast full electricity for 3/4 hours at night and then at the end of that use no power for the rest of the day will not work that well, it's also going to get messy trying to time everything around that. Our house is an absolute energy hog in winter using up to 150kw+ and even 60kw a day so I suspect we'll wind up using a fair bit of power at the non EV hours which tends to be 30+c per kwh

Anyway as I think I can still use Day/Night tarrifs with my smart meter what I'm looking for is the Day/Night plan with the lowest night rate.

This seems to be Flogas with their Fixed Electricity plan:

Day Unit Rate

Cent per kWh

25.18 (inc VAT)

Night Unit Rate

Cent per kWh

12.64 (inc VAT)

The weird thing with this plan is it has no mention of Microgen Export Rate 18.5c where the other plans do mention this.

Anyone know if they have to give this to you if you're exporting or if they don't allow it with some plans?

Other thing to ask is if Flogas will give me cash at the end of the year when I rack up a load of credit with them?

I think I'm likely to generate an excess of €5-10k over the course of the year and want to be sure I can get this transferred to me at the end of the contract term. Anyone know if this is the case?

kevin.m

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123849292#Comment_123849292

Most battery systems can charge at 0.5C, if the inverter has the capacity, can your limitation be fixed?

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123849292#Comment_123849292

Currently 18.5c, credited to your account on the same billing cycle as your import so every two months

blobert

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123849451#Comment_123849451

Thanks, so you think they will credit me for Microgen on this even though it's not mentioned?

And at the end of the year contract if my account is still in credit do they have to pay me back by bank transfer etc?

slave1

I believe once you have your NC6/7 with ESBN then they inform your provider and your provider pay the Microgen, there's nothing for you to do

blobert

Does anyone have any experience of canceling contract during their term?

I was working out the numbers and during the winter it would be tricky to try and get away with doing everything in 3 hours if I was using the likes of Pinergy. I'd definitely wind up using up a fair amount of 41c units which would get pricey quickly. However as soon as it hits about Feb/March my usage will drop and my export will go up hugely.

I think it would probably make sense to go with the Flogas 12.64c night rate now for winter so I can use as much night rate as I need for heating etc without having to compress everything into 3 hours. I'm also going to be doing minimal exporting from now till then. Then swap to Pinergy in Feb/March and I can get away with the 3 hours of 5.5c electricity to run the house/charge batteries from then till about Oct and export everything.

Seems like there is only a €50 fee to break the Flogas contract only, which is basically nothing when I'm dealing in thousands of Euro for my export.

Anyway let me know if there seems to be any flaw with this plan?

graememk

You don't actually have to cancel, you just switch and you'll just be charged the cancellation fee.

Some do have a per month remaining break fee, just have to be wary of that.