Nottingham Attacks

JP Liz V1

Nottingham students among three killed in city centre knife attack before three more hit by van

RIP

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DeadHand

TooTired123

Musicrules

Sonar44

hymenelectra

brickster99

Real Donald Trump

These random attacks are becoming way to frequent.

Rustyman101

I genuinely fear for the future of my kids when I see the direction being taken by European governments.

Would love to know what the end game of the policies being pursued is ?

We are heading for one seriously disgruntled society in the not too distant future.

Snake Plisken

Rip to the.two poor Students and the van driver.

https://twitter.com/Forest_Review/status/1668730594480607234?s=19

West African migrant with a history of violence shame the cops didn't shoot him dead

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712208#Comment_120712208

Reports earlier said he was west African, have new details emerged?

JP Liz V1

Nottinghamshire Police said a 31-year-old man was tasered and arrested

The police chief said the motive behind the attack was yet to be determined, but officers were keeping an “open mind” and working with counter-terror police.

GB News reported the suspect was a west African migrant.

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/morenews/uknews/2023/06/13/three-fatally-knifed-before-attacker-stole-victims-van-to-drive-at-others/

TooTired123

Poor kids. What a disgusting coward. Out at 4am looking for innocent victims to hunt. No doubt the mental health card will be dealt in due course. RIP to the people who died and speedy recovery to the injured.

Snake Plisken

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712221#Comment_120712221

Apologies amended my post

Gusser09

Was this a doctor or Engineer do we know?

Rip to all.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712275#Comment_120712275

Looks like you were right

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1780467/Nottingham-stabbing-suspect-had-history-of-mental-health-issues

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712355#Comment_120712355

Petty drug dealer.

Beechwoodspark

Disgusting crimes.

Life in prison is too good for the perpetrator.

Gusser09

Absolutely telling that we are hearing very little from media about the suspect, his background and possible motive.

silverharp

police getting flack

https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1668819161286410240

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712275#Comment_120712275

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712362#Comment_120712362

Sick person does something sick shocker.

What a twist.

🙄

newhouse87

Thread to be closed pretty soon id imagine, the usual before the courts cant discuss.

Musicrules

Violent crimes and murders are happening all the time. There's some more focus on some because of where the perpetrators are from but the obvious issue keeps getting ignored. It doesn't matter if the attacker is local, a foreigner, is white, black, Christian, Muslim etc, the attacker is nearly always a man! Why does this never get discussed? Why is it nearly always men? It's clearly a worldwide problem where some men are predisposed to violence. It's such a big issue that seems impossible to find a solution but that's not a reason to ignore it.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712917#Comment_120712917

But we also ignore the fact that over 90% of murder victims are men. Men murdered by other men. Men are more naturally aggressive than women. That’s biology. It’s ignored because nothing can be done about it.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712944#Comment_120712944

So we just throw our arms up in the air? Men will be men, we can't do anything about the violent tendancies.

That's not good enough. It can't keep getting brushed under the carpet. Is there something we can do in schools? Something in society?

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712917#Comment_120712917

yeah I mean, if you had a choice of going to Tokyo or staying in a Brazilian favela, you really wouldnt have anything to go on except looking up census data to give you a clue as to how many men are there

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712991#Comment_120712991

What's your point?

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712900#Comment_120712900

Different jurisdiction.

RIP to the victims.

Absolutely horrific for the families left behind. Young folk doing what young people do best and enjoying life, just to be slaughtered by a madman. Makes no sense.

jonnreeks

R.I.P. to all the deceased and quick recovery to those injured while our thoughts are for the families now.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713015#Comment_120713015

one can mitigate risks

Tom Mann Centuria

I'd guess the poor girl stabbed to death has Irish relations. Her full name was Grace O'Malley Kumar and her mum's called Sinead. Very sad for the families of all three people who lost their lives and those in hospital.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713044#Comment_120713044

Not sure what the relevance is?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713326#Comment_120713326

Is it some form of victim blaming?

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713443#Comment_120713443

Possibly. A bit odd anyway.

CWMMC

Either the courts and justice system needs to get stricter or this will just keep happening.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713487#Comment_120713487

How come? What form of therapy for mentally ill people would the courts and justice system cover? Do you think mentally ill people will look at harsher punishments being handed down and think that maybe they shouldn’t go on a killing spree this time?

Personally, I’d like to see more money being spent on community mental health schemes, and funding the NHS properly so people who are mentally unwell can get treatment and stop them murdering people before they do.

The justice system is REactive, it has to be, you can’t punish people unless they’ve committed a crime. The health system is (or should be!) PROactive, stopping people from getting in the mindset that they need to kill.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712967#Comment_120712967

Yes. That’s what I’m saying.

When Putin attacked Ukraine in March 2022 we relied on the natural aggression of men to get up and go out and attack him right back.

Would you have preferred if they’d not reacted like that?

Will we tell young men to ignore their natural urge to respond to aggression and threat with aggression?

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713443#Comment_120713443

not victim blaming , the question was why does it matter where "he" came from, the state regulates who comes into a country, its their job supposedly to vet people who come to a country and they are in a position to mitigate risk. Comprehension is quite low on this forum apparently

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713565#Comment_120713565

It's the urge to murder, assault, rape etc that we're talking about here. So you're saying it's natural for some men to kill and rape and no point even trying to stop them. Let them at it in case a war comes up?

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713580#Comment_120713580

I think you may be talking about yourself there. The question was why is it nearly always men, no matter where they are from.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713580#Comment_120713580

yeah I mean, if you had a choice of going to Tokyo or staying in a Brazilian favela, you really wouldnt have anything to go on except looking up census data to give you a clue as to how many men are there

Thats what you said in relation to

Violent crimes and murders are happening all the time. There's some more focus on some because of where the perpetrators are from but the obvious issue keeps getting ignored. It doesn't matter if the attacker is local, a foreigner, is white, black, Christian, Muslim etc, the attacker is nearly always a man! Why does this never get discussed? Why is it nearly always men? It's clearly a worldwide problem where some men are predisposed to violence. It's such a big issue that seems impossible to find a solution but that's not a reason to ignore it.

I hate to break it to you, but @Musicrules didn’t ask “why does it matter where he came from?”

They asked, “Why does the fact these killers are nearly always men never get discussed?” They even recognise that it’s a world wide problem so it doesn’t matter where the killer comes from.

Comprehension does appear be quite low on this forum indeed.

Snake Plisken

Usual posters will try and twist the narrative at the end of the day it was a migrant with a history of violence, who should have been properly vetted by UK authorities.

The. Same left winger/NGO types tried to blame "All Men" when Ashling Murphy died, sorry but it doesn't work. It is totally heartbreaking to see the van driver going about his day and the two students just out enjoying themselves getting murdered by a migrant who should never have been left into the country.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713675#Comment_120713675

It is heartbreaking. And it's all too common. Murders and assaults are all too common in all societies. It's not just migrants who commit these crimes but it's mostly men. Too many people try to excuse this or even silence discussion on it. Until the issue is tackled, we will continue to have huge numbers of victims like these unfortunate people in Nottingham.

Ashbourne hoop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713565#Comment_120713565

That's some take pal, some **** take. Unbelevable

Ashbourne hoop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713675#Comment_120713675

Most people will recognise that it's not "all men" or "all immigrants". Ignore the whole left and right nonsense that's amplified by social media, the vast majority of people live in the "middle".

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713675#Comment_120713675

At the end of the day, people were killed by a man with mental illness. That’s it. Whether it was in Britain, or whether it would have happened in his birth country, it’s irrelevant.

He didn’t kill people because he was a migrant. We know he had mental health issues, so the chances are high that he killed people because of his mental health.

I thinks it’s unsurprising that people pooh-pooh the role that mental illness plays in these cases. Do people think murders are routinely committed by people with full control of their mental faculties?

brickster69

UK home secretary just made an official statement. The only definitive information she released was that " counter terrorism units are helping Nottinghamshire police with the investigation but does not mean it is terrorist related "

Nothing about anything else at all basically. Sky news just now has released the first image of the suspect, which backs up exactly what the eyewitness at the scene said on channel 4 news 26 hours ago.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713828#Comment_120713828

Howaya bud. Howsa going’?

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713645#Comment_120713645

What do you want done about it? We’re already telling young men that they are despicable pointless disposable creatures for some time now and that doesn’t seem to be working. What do you suggest?

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713871#Comment_120713871

What you are looking for is to ignore completely the fact that 3 British citizens going lawfully about their business in Britain were murdered mercilessly by a non British criminal who should not be there, and for all of us instead to concentrate on the fact that the murderer has apparently got mental health issues.

You want to also ignore the fact that the vast majority of people suffering from mental health issues are not inclined to go out at 4am looking for vulnerable people to hunt down and butcher to death.

Way to go to label all poor mental health sufferers as dangerous.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712917#Comment_120712917

You want to know why men exhibit prototypical male traits and behaviours that cause issues at the extremes?

2Greyfoxes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713871#Comment_120713871

One' birth country is far from irrelevant. It is one of the biggest factors in shaping one's cultural identity. So it does matter, where people are from.

Funny how if it was a Mam of European background, ot would be 'Toxic Masculinity' to blame and not 'Mental Health' to blame.

Many people suffer from Mental Health issues, they don't go around doing this, stop throwing people with Mental health issues under the bus. It is disgusting.

Run Forest Run

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713565#Comment_120713565

What a terrible example!

It hasn't worked.

Western aggression has made that particular situation far worse. And also made negotiations much more difficult. So in both the short and longer term, this example of aggression has been a complete disaster.

And if you think there was no other alternative to aggression, you are very deluded.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714021#Comment_120714021

you're throwing people from other countries under the bus, to be fair. lots of mentally ill people do crazy sh*t like this all the time, that's just a fact.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714039#Comment_120714039

It's also a fact that people unconsciously or otherwise, judge crimes committed by members of outgroups differently from those of ingroups.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713990#Comment_120713990

Not in my circle. If you’re hearing that, I suggest you also change your circle. That’s not healthy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714016#Comment_120714016

I’m not ignoring anything. You on the other hand absolutely want to ignore his mental health issues and put it down to him being a migrant, which is unimportant.

True, the vast majority of people suffering mental health issues don’t kill people, however, the vast majority of people who kill people are suffering from mental health issues. Would you argue this?

I didn’t label all poor mental health sufferers as dangerous, you did. I labelled all murderers as people not in control of all their mental health faculties. Do you see that there is a difference there?

Mental health services in this country and the UK are chronically underfunded. Its very sad when cases like this happen, but honestly I’m just surprised there isn’t more of them given the state of help available to people who need it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714021#Comment_120714021

Again, I’m not “throwing people with Mental health issues under the bus”. I’m throwing those that won’t “fund mental health services properly” under the bus if anything.

brickster69

CCTV of the suspected murderer showed he was trying to break into an old peoples home close to where one of the murders happened but was fought off. Sounds like it may of been quite a bit worse.

Seely Hirst House Residential Care Home

https://www.nottshelpyourself.org.uk/kb5/nottinghamshire/directory/service.page?id=G_W4UpM02R8